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    CBD Is Officially Getting Banned In New York City, Ohio, And Maine

    CBD, one of the buzziest wellness products of 2019, just hit a snag. New York City has forbidden the sale of CBD edibles in restaurants, bars, and other establishments that fall under the Department of Health's purview, Eater reported Tuesday. Health inspectors in the city are already visiting restaurants to enforce the crackdown.
    Despite its overwhelming trendiness, there's not much we know for sure about CBD, or cannabidiol, a chemical compound found in the cannabis plant that has no psychoactive properties. Many CBD users say it helps relieve stress and anxiety, muscle soreness, insomnia, and more, but there is very little scientific proof to support or counter these claims. CBD is a try-for-yourself kind of compound.
    If only it were that easy. Trying CBD for yourself gets tricky when it comes to legality.
    You see, CBD is still considered a controlled substance if it comes from the marijuana variety of cannabis plant, because the marijuana has THC. But it is fully legal if it is derived from the hemp variety of cannabis plant, which has very little THC. (CBD from hemp was considered a controlled substance until the very recently passed 2018 Farm Bill reclassified hemp as an agricultural product.) However, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration still holds that it is illegal to sell CBD in dietary supplements or in food through interstate commerce-again, because we really just don't know enough about it.
    New York City's DOH said in a statement, "Restaurants in New York City are not permitted to add anything to food or drink that is not approved as safe to eat," a nod to the FDA's guidelines. The statement continued: "Until cannabidiol (CBD) is deemed safe as a food additive, the Department is ordering restaurants not to offer products containing CBD.”
    Before the crackdown, CBD enthusiasts could stop by a number of restaurants for CBD-laced treat: Fat Cat Kitchen in the East Village sold CBD chocolate chip cookies, Adriaen Block in Queens sold CBD cocktails, and Caffeine Underground in Brooklyn sold CBD coffee, to name a few.


    It's not just happening in New York City. Ohio started to "embargo" CBD products sold at retailers this month, according the Cincinnati Enquirer. Ohio's medical marijuana program prohibits the sale of CBD products outside of licensed medical marijuana dispensaries, authorities said. But it's a murky situation, because the program does not make a distinction for CBD derived from hemp versus CBD derived from cannabis. And up in Maine, authorities demanded the removal of CBD edibles from stores, citing the FDA's guidelines, the Portland Press Herald reported Friday. California reinforced its ban on CBD edibles last year, again because of the FDA's guidelines.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cbd-...231300347.html
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    Lame
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    Safe to eat? Like all the processed $#@! and manufactured crap that does into foods from every other angle?

    FDA should be less concerned with determining if it’s “safe” and focus on determining if there is any evidence that consuming it is actually harmful. Not bad for you, soda is bad for you, but we can drink as much of that as we want. Harmful, like it poisons you or causes dependency.
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    Mixed bag. A lot of older people use CBD for aches, pains, arthritis, etc. It’s purpose is medicinal. It doesn’t get you “high”.

    I can see the point about not mixing medicine with food, to a certain extent. “Hey, have a brownie, it has some of grandma’s arthritis medicine in it!”
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    Title is hyperbole. Not allowing sales in restaurants is not the same as “banning”.
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    Such irony from these states. One "food" that frankly is a huge health problem, is sugar. It is debated to be as addictive as cocaine. Diabetes, weight gain, heart disease...blood pressure problems, just to name a few of the sugar associated ills.
    Cardiovascular research scientist James DiNicolantonio of St. Luke’s Mid-America Heart Institute in Kansas City, Mo., who co-wrote the study, told The Guardian that in their study of sugar’s effects on mice, they observed, “In animals, (sugar) is actually more addictive than even cocaine, so sugar is pretty much probably the most consumed addictive substance around the world, and it is wreaking havoc on our health.”
    Source: https://oceanbreezerecovery.org/blog/sugar-be-as-addictive-as-drugs/#

    The irony indeed is thick.
    In animal studies, sugar has been found to produce more symptoms than is required to be considered an addictive substance. Animal data has shown significant overlap between the consumption of added sugars and drug-like effects, including bingeing, craving, tolerance, withdrawal, cross-sensitisation, cross-tolerance, cross-dependence, reward and opioid effects. Sugar addiction seems to be dependence to the natural endogenous opioids that get released upon sugar intake. In both animals and humans, the evidence in the literature shows substantial parallels and overlap between drugs of abuse and sugar, from the standpoint of brain neurochemistry as well as behaviour.
    Source: https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/52/14/910
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    Believe it or not, there was once a time on RPF when we wouldn't be discussing the merits of any particular government edict, but the fact that they assume they have the right to do so - on ANY product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Believe it or not, there was once a time on RPF when we wouldn't be discussing the merits of any particular government edict, but the fact that they assume they have the right to do so - on ANY product.
    Always a good point to make that government should probably not be involved. Nothing wrong with discussion of an issue, otherwise every thread would start and end with one post “government is doing this, and they shouldn’t. /end thread”.

    As far as what is being discussed on this forum, feel free to start a thread on something you want to discuss. The complaints of “the forum has become ...” have been going on since forums were created.
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    While I have reservations about CBD, I do not like the games being played by the states. Big pHARMa has lots of power and lots of lobbyists who influence lots of politicians to put legislation that would work for them. There needs to be more independent research/information and transparency put out before I get fully onboard.

    Here is an article that got me to thinking--what is not being talked about, on both sides?

    Is CBD Oil Harmful or Healing? What No One is Telling You

    by Sarah Pope MGA

    CBD oil is rapidly emerging as one of the most popular natural remedies on the market today. It seems to be literally everywhere, with both alternative and conventional businesses scrambling to cash in on the craze by boldly advertising its health benefits.
    I was shocked to see recently that some cafes in my community are advertising CBD on menus as a healthy ingredient in lattes and smoothies! Some “health oriented” bars are adding it to cocktails.

    In some places like New York City, cannabis food trucks sell an assortment of candy and other goodies containing CBD to passersby.

    With no age restrictions on its use, some people – even children – are likely consuming CBD on a very frequent basis.

    While a growing chorus of voices recommend CBD oil for all manner of ailments with glowing reviews and assurances of its safety, consumers would be wise to think very carefully before jumping on the bandwagon.

    This article seeks to pull back the curtain on the CBD story and reveal the very real potential dangers of use by otherwise healthy people so that you can make a truly informed decision for your family.

    Please note that I am not disputing the benefits of cannabis in this article. I know it helps a lot of very sick people manage their illness in a comfortable way without the need for pharmaceuticals. What I am presenting is the other side of the story that is usually not discussed – even glossed over in favor of aggressive marketing to otherwise healthy people.

    What is CBD Oil?
    CBD oil is an alternative remedy for inflammation, pain, seizures and many other conditions. It is gaining widespread popularity over pharmaceutical drugs to treat the same ailments.

    Manufacturers make CBD oil by diluting the active ingredient cannabidiol with a carrier fat such as coconut oil. Depending on what carrier oil is used (i.e., saturated fats or vegetable oils), the remedy then appeals to a wider variety of people. In other words, CBD fans can find an oil that fits their particular food philosophy on fats.

    Cannabidiol
    You might be surprised to learn that cannabidiol is one of over a hundred compounds known as cannabinoids. The buds, flowers, leaves and stalks (not seeds) of the hemp plant contain them. Other common names for this plant are marijuana or cannabis.

    Tetrahydrocannabinol, better known as THC, is another well known cannabinoid in hemp plant matter. It is best known for its mind altering effects, which pot smokers experience firsthand. (1)

    Fans of CBD oil claim that cannabidiol is safe because it has zero inherent psychoactive properties like THC. However, this is disputable, if not downright false, in light of research on both animals and humans. More on this later.

    Hash (Cannabis) Oil vs CBD Oil vs Hemp Seed Oil
    It is important to understand the key differences between the three primary oils derived from the hemp or marijuana plant. These characteristics determine whether the oil is used as food or medicine and, in turn, whether it is even legal or not.

    CBD oil falls in the gray area, which is why it is so confusing and potentially dangerous for anyone except those who are gravely ill with few other treatment options. Hopefully, the discussion below will help clear things up for you!

    Cannabidiol (CBD) Oil
    As described above, manufacturers create medicinal CBD oil by blending cannabidiol with a carrier oil. This active ingredient is either isolated or alcohol extracted from whole cannabis plant matter.

    CBD was legalized in all 50 states by the 2014 Farm Bill, which served as the springboard for its explosive growth. However, this approval came with an important caveat. The legislation required extraction of CBD for academic research or under a state pilot program. Since then, a number of states broadened this narrow definition, which legalized other CBD manufacturing processes. (2)

    Hemp Seed Oil
    CBD oil is vastly different from hemp seed oil, which is a food and not medicine. It is made by cold pressing the seeds on the cannabis plant. The resulting oil is high in inflammatory omega-6 fats. Hemp seeds contain no THC and hence the oil should technically not contain any either.

    Some countries require testing for THC in hemp seed oil to verify purity. Typical requirements are that there are no more than 5-10 or even zero parts per million (ppm) detected in the final product.

    Hemp Oil (Hash or Cannabis Oil)
    In comparison, hash or cannabis oil does contain high inducing THC. It is also misleadingly known as honey oil.

    It comes from aerial parts of the marijuana plant except the seeds. This medicinal or recreational oil can be made from any of the three sub-species of the cannabis plant – Cannabis sativa, Cannabis indica, and more rarely Cannabis ruderalis.

    Hash oil is illegal for recreational use in most states but is approved for medicinal use by a growing list of others. It is usually consumed by eating or smoking. It is also sold in cartridges for use in vaping pens.

    In summary, while hemp seed oil is widely recognized as safe and available on healthfood store shelves all across the country, hemp oil is still regulated as as a medicinal only drug in some states and completely outlawed in others. CBD oil falls in the gray area somewhere between the two.

    The question that remains to be answered is its safety. Does the narrow legalization of CBD in the 2014 Farm Bill guarantee its safety? Or is it actually more risky than consumers have been led to believe?

    CBD Oil Risks
    The side effects of consuming cannabidiol are very real though commonly glossed over by those selling it.

    Drug Contraindications
    CBD oil may potentially interact in a negative way with anti-epilepsy drugs. As of now, only in vitro (test tube) observations exist with no living organism testing proving safety. Drugs that may interact include: (3)

    carbamazepine (Tegretol)
    phenytoin (Dilantin)
    phenobarbital (Luminal, Solfoton, Tedral)
    primidone (anti-seizure)
    Side Effects
    According to a review of existing research by the journal Cannabis and Cannabinoid Research, the most common side effects of consuming CBD or CBD oil include:

    fatigue
    nausea or vomiting
    diarrhea
    dizziness
    anxiety or depression
    changes in appetite/weight
    Psychosis
    While there is a well known link between psychotic disorders and pot, CBD is generally regarded as anti-psychotic. (4)

    How can this be if a CBD side effect is psychosis? (5)

    Perhaps this common belief is simply not true!

    Psychoactive Effects of Cannabinoids
    Perhaps cannabinoid oil purveyors tend to ignore the well established reactions because the side effect profile of CBD is better than pharmaceutical drugs used to treat similar conditions.

    In addition, proponents of CBD oil use insist on its safety because cannabidiol is not mind altering like its cousin cannabinoid THC.

    Research from the 1970s seems to confirm that CBD is well tolerated up to 600 mg without psychotic episodes. (6)

    However, more recent research disputes this assumption.

    Conversion of CBD to THC
    Researcher Kazuhito Watanabe, PhD and his team at Daiichi College of Pharmaceuticals, Japan discovered a disturbing problem with cannabidiol. (7)

    They found that CBD converts into THC, the same psychosis inducing substance found in weed. In addition, CBD converted into two other THC-like cannabinoids known as HHCs (hexahydroxycannabinols). All three produced high inducing symptoms in mice.

    This research indicates that THC is not the only mind altering cannabinoid in hemp. It also suggests the possibility that a person can be exposed to brain altering, high inducing substances by simply consuming CBD.

    Getting High on CBD?
    Acidity is necessary for the conversion of CBD to THC and the two psychoactive HHCs. Researchers performed this conversion using artificial digestive juices. The change accelerated in the presence of some kind of sugar (or alcohol).

    In people consuming CBD oil, this would parallel as acidity in the stomach. Since people commonly consume CBD oil in sugary lattes, candy, goodies, smoothies or alcoholic beverages, this situation mimics the reality of many people who use it.

    Effects of THC Derived from CBD
    To test the effects of these components, the researchers then injected mice with small quantities of the THC and HHCs converted from CBD. The researchers tested for the four most common symptoms of THC exposure including:

    Catalepsy – loss of sensation or consciousness
    Hypothermia – drop in body temperature
    Prolonged sleep
    Reduced pain perception
    Mice injected with small amounts of THC and HHCs converted in artificial gastric juices from CBD tested positively for all 4 pot exposure symptoms.

    Human Studies
    Follow-up research in 2016 published in the journal Cannabis and Cannabinoid Research gives additional pause.

    More than 40% of epileptic children orally administered CBD exhibited adverse events, with THC like symptoms the most common. In their conclusion, researchers challenged the accepted premise that CBD is not high-inducing.

    Gastric fluid without enzymes converts CBD into the psychoactive components Δ9-THC and Δ8-THC, which suggests that the oral route of administration may increase the potential for psychomimetic adverse effects from CBD. (8)

    Is CBD Oil Safe for Children?
    The takeaway of existing research as of this writing seems to indicate extreme caution when it comes to ingestion of CBD oil especially by children.

    Research definitively shows that THC exposure affects their developing brains in a negative way – perhaps permanently. The important point here is that consuming CBD or CBD infused oil can initiate this THC exposure – not just smoking or vaping pot. The Journal of Current Pharmaceutical Design warns:

    The literature not only suggests neurocognitive disadvantages to using marijuana in the domains of attention and memory that persist beyond abstinence, but suggest possible macrostructural brain alterations (e.g., morphometry changes in gray matter tissue), changes in white matter tract integrity (e.g., poorer coherence in white matter fibers), and abnormalities of neural functioning (e.g., increased brain activation, changes in neurovascular functioning). (9)

    CBD During Pregnancy
    The Journal Future Neurology warns that cannabis exposure crosses the placenta. “Human epidemiological and animal studies have found that prenatal cannabis exposure influences brain development and can have long-lasting impacts on cognitive functions.” (10)

    Since CBD partially converts to THC under acidic conditions, women who consume CBD oil for morning sickness or other discomforts of pregnancy should understand that use may mimic using pot directly. Just because CBD oil is natural and works effectively to alleviate symptoms does not mean it is safe for your baby.

    Always discuss any supplemental foods with a practitioner before use!

    CBD from Hops and Other Non-Cannabis Plants
    Some CBD products and oil come from plants other than cannabis. Hops is one that is popular currently. (11)

    People that use non-cannabis CBD mistakenly believe that they are safe from THC. False marketing of these products encourages this line of thinking.

    Be warned that no matter where CBD comes from, the potential for conversion of CBD to THC in the digestive tract exists. CBD is ultimately a cannabinoid no matter what plant it comes from. Thus, unless the CBD is applied transdermally or intravenously to avoid the acidic conditions within the digestive tract, the risk for THC exposure and brain-altering effects still exists.

    To give you a example of how this works, consider how beta carotene converts to Vitamin A in the digestive tract. It doesn’t matter if the beta carotene comes from carrots, peppers or squash. This nutrient will still potentially convert to Vitamin A. The same principle applies to CBD that is consumed orally. The digestive process can result in conversion to THC no matter what plant is the source of the CBD.

    Is CBD Safe for Anyone?
    Consumers desperately need more research about the high-inducing effects of CBD-to-THC that could manifest as a result of the digestive process.

    The half life of oral CBD in the body is about 2 days. Thus, depending on how much a person consumes and how often, the potential risk of psychosis could increase over time depending on individual metabolism.

    It seems that, as of this writing, the prudent course of action for the cautious consumer is to adopt a wait and see attitude toward CBD and CBD oil products pending further research on the very real potential for mind altering, pot-like effects.

    Some companies are already working to develop synthetic transdermal CBD. Such a drug would bypass the gastrointestinal tract and avoid bioconversion to psychoactive THC and/or HHCs. Of course, this treatment likely has its own set of yet unknown dangers!

    While the risks of THC exposure from CBD oil and other products are likely of little concern for gravely ill people who desperately need it, for otherwise healthy people and children, beware! It seems wise until further research is concluded to treat CBD oil, candy, and other products just like any other high inducing drug. Just. Say. No.
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    CBD enthusiasts
    AKA potheads
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Mixed bag. A lot of older people use CBD for aches, pains, arthritis, etc. It’s purpose is medicinal. It doesn’t get you “high”.

    I can see the point about not mixing medicine with food, to a certain extent. “Hey, have a brownie, it has some of grandma’s arthritis medicine in it!”
    I remember when they wanted to Ban Nutmeg,,,

    Because most spices have medicinal properties.
    Nutmeg contains myristicin, a natural compound that has mind-altering effects if ingested in large doses. The buzz can last one to two days and can be hallucinogenic, much like LSD.
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    Saw a TV ad for CBD Cream,, for pain relief.

    It made me smile in a way advertisements seldom do.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  15. #13
    What you have here is the advance ban so the state and industrialize it, regulate it, and tax it. A handful of people are behind this so they can get rich. That’s what they tried to do in Ohio.

    You read it here first, folks.
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