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    Remy/Venezuela



    Pretty good. Pretty, pretty good.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post

    Pretty good. Pretty, pretty good.
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    Excellent, but our govt still needs to stop making excuses to terrorize other lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Excellent, but our govt still needs to stop making excuses to terrorize other lands.
    If you lived in Venezuela, would you consider overthrowing the government "terrorizing" the country I sure wouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    If you lived in Venezuela, would you consider overthrowing the government "terrorizing" the country I sure wouldn't.
    Hell no, I don't think doing it here would be wise either.
    Are you saying intervention is a great idea or?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Hell no, I don't think doing it here would be wise either.
    Are you saying intervention is a great idea or?
    I think what he is saying is that he wants the American people to jack their shyte by force. See recent examples in Libya, Syria, Ukraine and Iraq. If the people wanted Maduro out, they would have voted him out like normal people do.

    I also want Trump out of office, but you don't see me calling for the Military and the Chinese govt to help me do it. If its OK not to overthrow Trump with foreign powers, why is it OK to do it to the Venezuelan people.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I think what he is saying is that he wants the American people to jack their shyte by force. See recent examples in Libya, Syria, Ukraine and Iraq. If the people wanted Maduro out, they would have voted him out like normal people do.

    I also want Trump out of office, but you don't see me calling for the Military and the Chinese govt to help me do it. If its OK not to overthrow Trump with foreign powers, why is it OK to do it to the Venezuelan people.
    We facilitated the deaths of a million Iraqis, over a lie, I have no special interest in
    Iraqis , but they are people.
    I disagreed with Ron Paul's statement that we 'bring terrorism on ourselves' at the time
    he made it, not because he was wrong , but because America was nowhere near ready to
    hear something like that, times are changing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    I think what he is saying is that he wants the American people to jack their shyte by force. See recent examples in Libya, Syria, Ukraine and Iraq. If the people wanted Maduro out, they would have voted him out like normal people do.

    I also want Trump out of office, but you don't see me calling for the Military and the Chinese govt to help me do it. If its OK not to overthrow Trump with foreign powers, why is it OK to do it to the Venezuelan people.
    The natives are justified in accepting any help they can get, our government is not justified in giving them any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    If you lived in Venezuela, would you consider overthrowing the government "terrorizing" the country I sure wouldn't.
    It would depend on who I was and what options/power I had.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Hell no, I don't think doing it here would be wise either.
    Are you saying intervention is a great idea or?
    It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms. I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.

    Some interventions that work. Grenada was successful. Chile was successful. There are no Chileans blowing themselves up in the US. The majority were happy to overthrow Allende, just like majority are happy to overthrow Maduro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms. I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.

    Some interventions that work. Grenada was successful. Chile was successful. There are no Chileans blowing themselves up in the US. The majority were happy to overthrow Allende, just like majority are happy to overthrow Maduro.
    I can't go with any of that , doesn't mean I don't care about Venezuelans, they're great.
    What is supposed to help make us great is a little thing called the constitution , we are
    not chartered to be the World Police.
    How can you compare some miniscule successes as warranting never ending wars, just recently
    our scam to 'fix Iraq' saw a million civilians killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    I can't go with any of that , doesn't mean I don't care about Venezuelans, they're great.
    What is supposed to help make us great is a little thing called the constitution , we are
    not chartered to be the World Police.
    How can you compare some miniscule successes as warranting never ending wars, just recently
    our scam to 'fix Iraq' saw a million civilians killed.
    So to confirm, if you lived in Venezuela, you would be against US intervention. Hyperinflation and eating dogs would be better than the mean old imperialistic US forcing capitalism on you.

    Considering Venezuela and Iraq aren't remotely similar, maybe don't use that analogy. Maybe use Grenada and Chile like I did. I don't have a strong opinion on whether the US should get involved in Venezuela. But I am the least against this intervention of any recent military intervention by a pretty large margin. I am probably still against it because of how intertwined Venezuela is with Russia and Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    So to confirm, if you lived in Venezuela, you would be against US intervention. Hyperinflation and eating dogs would be better than the mean old imperialistic US forcing capitalism on you.

    Considering Venezuela and Iraq aren't remotely similar, maybe don't use that analogy. Maybe use Grenada and Chile like I did. I don't have a strong opinion on whether the US should get involved in Venezuela. But I am the least against this intervention of any recent military intervention by a pretty large margin. I am probably still against it because of how intertwined Venezuela is with Russia and Iran.
    I have to add, Krug, I've read some of your comments lately and tend
    to agree with most all of it, but you've got to be able to see, that this highlighted
    statement sounds like complete blsht.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    We facilitated the deaths of a million Iraqis, over a lie, I have no special interest in
    Iraqis , but they are people.
    I
    disagreed with Ron Paul's statement that we 'bring terrorism on ourselves' at the time
    he made it, not because he was wrong , but because America was nowhere near ready to
    hear something like that, times are changing.
    You are getting smarter and smarter by the minute. U sure the -rep didn't work?

    +rep
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The natives are justified in accepting any help they can get, our government is not justified in giving them any.
    Very true and another part a lot of people over look is the hypocrisy associated with the US. This is a country who at this moment set up a naval blockage half way around the world with Saudi Arabia to deprive the Yemeni people the ability to recieve aid from their ally in Iran. In the process starving said people. This same admin now wants me to believe that she supports giving aid to people fighting off a dictatorship.

    The US has no creibility to work with anymore.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    You are getting smarter and smarter by the minute. U sure the -rep didn't work?

    +rep
    hA HA... I really have no loyalty to anything but that which appears
    as truth, I have seen nothing in the constitution that allows us to go kill
    millions of civilians in order to enrich their lives....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It would depend on who I was and what options/power I had.
    Well, if you lived in Venezuela and voted for the "wrong" candidate then he wants you to starve.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I don't think the US should be involved just because there isn't a big enough strategic interest. I actually like see Venezuelans starve. They wanted big government. They got it. Venezuela is a reminder socialism kills.

    All of that said, I don't care even a little bit if people elected a Marxist. A Marxist is not a legitimate leader. The US can morally do whatever they want to Maduro and Venezuela. If I lived in Venezuela I would absolutely support the US assassinating Maduro.
    Gloablist elements like the ones in UN, EU and World bank believe that they have a better plan for all of us and they are willing to starve us all inorder to break our will inorder to implement their globalist way of life on all of us. They are not going to stop with Venezuela, they take Venezuela and they get stronger and stronger and that makes em harder to resist.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    I have to add, Krug, I've read some of your comments lately and tend
    to agree with most all of it, but you've got to be able to see, that this highlighted
    statement sounds like complete blsht.

    I have made nowhere near a strong statement in favor of intervention. I do, however, have very strong opinions on people who defend the current regime and who think socialism isn't the reason for Venezuela's collapse. I have very strong opinions of those who create false equivalencies with the US and Venezuela. I always have a strong opinion on people who think it is morally wrong to overthrow their government.

    The US has every right to overthrow the current regime. It is just a matter of if the US should. That is far different from an endorsement of intervention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I have made nowhere near a strong statement in favor of intervention. I do, however, have very strong opinions on people who defend the current regime and who think socialism isn't the reason for Venezuela's collapse. I have very strong opinions of those who create false equivalencies with the US and Venezuela. I always have a strong opinion on people who think it is morally wrong to overthrow their government.

    The US has every right to overthrow the current regime. It is just a matter of if the US should. That is far different from an endorsement of intervention.
    The US does not have a right to overthrow the Maduro regime, the people of Venezuela do.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I have made nowhere near a strong statement in favor of intervention. I do, however, have very strong opinions on people who defend the current regime and who think socialism isn't the reason for Venezuela's collapse. I have very strong opinions of those who create false equivalencies with the US and Venezuela. I always have a strong opinion on people who think it is morally wrong to overthrow their government.

    The US has every right to overthrow the current regime. It is just a matter of if the US should. That is far different from an endorsement of intervention.
    krug , I was only able to go by what you wrote, you can come back and modify it , and change
    how you want me/us to see your statements, but again , how am I supposed to interpret this
    Pro interventionist sounding stance (isolated to Ven) differently.

    ''It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms.
    I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.'' - Krugminator2

    Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria , had the same and even more compelling and better 'High Moral Grounds'
    and 'More Justified' urgencies/reasons/justifications than what you describe here.
    We have a constitution, that is my guide, my morality and 'feelings' for other sovereign lands
    does not trump my belief in adhering to it. We have ignored our constitution, how
    has that benefited those we killed and how did it benefit our own Country.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    krug , I was only able to go by what you wrote, you can come back and modify it , and change
    how you want me/us to see your statements, but again , how am I supposed to interpret this
    Pro interventionist sounding stance (isolated to Ven) differently.

    ''It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms.
    I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.'' - Krugminator2

    Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria , had the same and even more compelling and better 'High Moral Grounds'
    and 'More Justified' urgencies/reasons/justifications than what you describe here.
    We have a constitution, that is my guide, my morality and 'feelings' for other sovereign lands
    does not trump my belief in adhering to it. We have ignored our constitution, how
    has that benefited those we killed and how did it benefit our own Country.....

    What I wrote isn't pro-intervention. I don't see any reason to change it.

    I am not against any of the interventions you listed on moral grounds. They are all practical issues. If I thought they would have worked I would be supportive of them. I guess I am different in that I see the ideas that US (and thus the people who live here) as morally superior to all of the countries you listed. I fundamentally believe in human freedom. I don't really care sovereignty. None of that is incompatible with a general belief in non-intervention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    What I wrote isn't pro-intervention. I don't see any reason to change it.

    I am not against any of the interventions you listed on moral grounds. They are all practical issues. If I thought they would have worked I would be supportive of them. I guess I am different in that I see the ideas that US (and thus the people who live here) as morally superior to all of the countries you listed. I fundamentally believe in human freedom. I don't really care sovereignty. None of that is incompatible with a general belief in non-intervention.
    ''It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms.
    I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.''

    - Krugminator2
    -


    ''So to confirm, if you lived in Venezuela, you would be against US intervention. Hyperinflation and eating dogs would be better than the mean old imperialistic US forcing capitalism on you.

    ... '' -Krugminator

    -
    Last edited by Stratovarious; 02-03-2019 at 09:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms. I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.

    Some interventions that work. Grenada was successful. Chile was successful. There are no Chileans blowing themselves up in the US. The majority were happy to overthrow Allende, just like majority are happy to overthrow Maduro.

    Incredible to see this rubbish here.


    It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms.


    Some interventions that work. Grenada was successful. Chile was successful. There are no Chileans blowing themselves up in the US. The majority were happy to overthrow Allende, just like majority are happy to overthrow Maduro.

    There's the obituary on the Ron Paul "movement"

    Nice work Krugminator



    It's pretty pointless to post about politics here now that Ron's message has been either lost or co-opted. That's why I've stuck to Technology, but even that's pretty pointless.

    How many suckers here bought this lie? I'd really like to know



    Hey Krug, when do you march right on down to your local recruiting station and sign up to "help" people in Venezuela?

    Elliot Abrams can't wait to meet you.

    Jesus what a train wreck.
    Rand Paul lied about Crimea & Iran
    Rand- "US Must Take Strong Action Against Putinís Aggression"
    ďIím not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot, Iím not a libertarian. Iím a libertarian Republican. Iím a constitutional conservativeĒ-Rand Paul
    ďFurther, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing eventólike a new Pearl HarborPNAC report September 2000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    ''It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms.
    I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.''

    - Krugminator2
    -


    ''So to confirm, if you lived in Venezuela, you would be against US intervention. Hyperinflation and eating dogs would be better than the mean old imperialistic US forcing capitalism on you.

    ... '' -Krugminator

    -
    I agree with what I wrote. It is weird that it is even controversial. I'm not sorry that I claim that the US is morally superior to all Marxist regimes.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 02-03-2019 at 10:01 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I agree with what I wrote. It is weird that it is even controversial. I'm not sorry that I claim that the US is morally superior to all Marxist regimes.
    Controversial ?
    Wut ? Where did that come from, 'controversial' .......

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    'It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms.
    I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.''

    - Krugminator2
    -


    ''So to confirm, if you lived in Venezuela, you would be against US intervention. Hyperinflation and eating dogs would be better than the mean old imperialistic US forcing capitalism on you.

    ... '' -Krugminator

    -



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peace Piper View Post

    There's the obituary on the Ron Paul "movement"

    Nice work Krugminator

    It's pretty pointless to post about politics here now that Ron's message has been either lost or co-opted. That's why I've stuck to Technology, but even that's pretty pointless.

    How many suckers here bought this lie? I'd really like to know

    Hey Krug, when do you march right on down to your local recruiting station and sign up to "help" people in Venezuela?

    Elliot Abrams can't wait to meet you.

    Jesus what a train wreck.
    Why would I march down to the recruiting office? What intervention with US troops have I ever supported?

    See...Here is what this comes down to. I am capitalist. You are not. Capitalism is good and moral. I have no problem saying that capitalism is better than every other system. It is better morally. It is better in practice. I have no problem saying that the United States way of life isn't just different from Venezuela, it is better and morally superior. You spam the forums promoting an awful Marxist like Tulsi Gabbard who is worse than 100% of Republicans. Her views are bonkers and would make America a third world country. I don't want live in a world of government subsidized pony poop powered bicycles like you and Tulsi want. And I don't mind saying that if I lived in Venezuela, I would want the US overthrowing the government and installing someone who isn't a Marxist. That isn't being a neocon. That's just being a non-Communist.
    Last edited by Krugminator2; 02-03-2019 at 10:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    'It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms.
    I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.''

    - Krugminator2
    -


    ''So to confirm, if you lived in Venezuela, you would be against US intervention. Hyperinflation and eating dogs would be better than the mean old imperialistic US forcing capitalism on you.

    ... '' -Krugminator

    -


    You keep posting what I said as if what said. Those posts have aged well over the last few hours. I agree with I said even more.

    Those are the correct views for a libertarian to hold. Communism bad. Capitalism good. Very simple. No need to overthink things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    You keep posting what I said as if what said. Those posts have aged well over the last few hours. I agree with I said even more.

    Those are the correct views for a libertarian to hold. Communism bad. Capitalism good. Very simple. No need to overthink things.

    'It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms.
    I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.''

    - Krugminator2
    -


    ''So to confirm, if you lived in Venezuela, you would be against US intervention. Hyperinflation and eating dogs would be better than the mean old imperialistic US forcing capitalism on you.

    ... '' -Krugminator

    -

    I'm going back to third grade, because I completely failed to see this as a firm stance
    against US intervention on behalf of Venezuela.
    My for teh Inlglish not so too good, apologies .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    'It is good for the people of Venezuela. I am certain of that. If I lived in Venezuela I would welcome the US with open arms.
    I am less certain about whether it is in the interests of the US. But I am not automatically against it. There isn't a radical terrrorism threat from intervening in Venezuela. It is purely a cost/benefit economic question. The US has the moral high ground with respect to intervention in Venezuela.''

    - Krugminator2
    -


    ''So to confirm, if you lived in Venezuela, you would be against US intervention. Hyperinflation and eating dogs would be better than the mean old imperialistic US forcing capitalism on you.

    ... '' -Krugminator

    -

    I'm going back to third grade, because I completely failed to see this as a firm stance
    against US intervention on behalf of Venezuela.
    My for teh Inlglish not so too good, apologies .
    I have been watching your interactions with these people from the side and I have have to say that you are holding your ground pretty well. I will just point to you other ways they try to manipulate the discussion to their favor.

    Be very weary of the sort of people who want to force their goodness on you. These are the people who want to force for example vaccines on everybody or prevent you from eating any food unless their agency have inspected it first all for your own good. It doesn't matter to them what you as an individual want, the whole of Venezuela could be supporting socialism and they still insist on killing them all inorder to give em forced capitalism. There is nothing in the wrld so good and precious that it has to be forced on you, nothing.

    Another trick these globalists use is the presentation of a false dicotomy. They would present to you 2 options when there are clearly more than two options available. They say things like its capitalism or people hungry on the streets eating dogs. These people are the reason we are where we are today.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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