View Poll Results: Do you think there will be another gov shutdown over Wall money?

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  • Yes, with no end in sight to a deal

    2 25.00%
  • Yes but Dems will fold after a while

    1 12.50%
  • Yes but MAGA will fold after a while

    1 12.50%
  • No, MAGA will declare emergency

    4 50.00%
  • No, Dems will fold before deadline

    0 0%
  • No, MAGA will fold before deadline

    0 0%
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Thread: Do you think there will be another gov shutdown over Wall money?

  1. #1

    Do you think there will be another gov shutdown over Wall money?

    As "declaring emegency" is almost certianly going to be immediately challenged in courts by Dems causing a longterm Stall of MAGA's Wall crusade, do you think he will force another gov shutdown if Dems refused Wall money again?



    Trump: No shutdown deal without wall money

    By Jordan Fabian - 01/31/19 12:58 PM EST
    President Trump said Thursday he will not accept a deal to avert another government shutdown without money for his long-desired border wall, pushing back on Democrats who stressed their opposition to a wall.
    “No. Because if there’s no wall, it doesn’t work,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office when asked if he could accept border measures other than a wall.
    https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...out-wall-money



    Pelosi rules out money for border wall, Trump says no deal without it

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday she will “of course” allow a floor vote on any bipartisan border security proposal crafted by congressional negotiators, but she drew a red line, insisting "there's not going to be any wall money in the legislation."

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tells @jparkABC she will “of course” allow a floor vote on any bipartisan border security proposal crafted by appropriators, but draws a red line, insisting "there's not going to be any wall money in the legislation" https://t.co/kYSkRGRxQ5 pic.twitter.com/oM07cI4GBT
    — ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) January 31, 2019

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pelo...ry?id=60750381



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  3. #2
    The Shutdown Is Coming.
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  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Is this your prediction or hope?
    It is a prediction.
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  6. #5
    You need another option in your poll, Trump will begin to build the wall at some point but he may keep the shutdown going anyway.
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  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Ok... with no end in sight this time also or with a folding option?
    I voted for no end in sight but

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You need another option in your poll, Trump will begin to build the wall at some point but he may keep the shutdown going anyway.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You need another option in your poll, Trump will begin to build the wall at some point but he may keep the shutdown going anyway.
    Unfortunately, polls options do not allow edit.

    But poll questions with a "may" sort of will defeat the purpose; 'forceful leader MAY take xyz action' would be hardly a prediction as "may" by definition comes with a "or may not" qualifier.



    'At some point, decisive MAGA may exit Iraq and Syria'



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  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Unfortunately, polls options do not allow edit.

    But poll questions with a "may" sort of will defeat the purpose; 'forceful leader MAY take xyz action' would be hardly a prediction as "may" by definition comes with a "or may not" qualifier.



    'At some point, decisive MAGA may exit Iraq and Syria'
    The option would be "no end in sight but Trump begins building the wall on his own".

    The "may" applies to all of the options, we are then voting on which thing that he MAY do that we believe he will do.
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  12. #10
    Words have meaning... Undocumented workers, assault rifles, and government shutdowns. All hyperbole to support political theater.

    So far, we've seen what amounts to a national park shutdown - BFD.

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  13. #11
    Yes and hopefully the government will stay shut down the whole election season.
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  14. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    Words have meaning... Undocumented workers, assault rifles, and government shutdowns. All hyperbole to support political theater.

    So far, we've seen what amounts to a national park shutdown - BFD.
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  15. #13

    Dťjŗ vu all over again ...

    Another shutdown? Did I miss one?
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  16. #14

    Lightbulb Big NYC Progressive Heart - Wall of DACA Amnesty - Bill of Love

    This time the government will remain shutdown, until every Illegal Alien Invader is granted Amnesty,



    He's another Ronald Reagan, 2nd GOP amnesty on the way.
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  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    This time the government will remain shutdown, until every Illegal Alien Invader is granted Amnesty,



    He's another Ronald Reagan, 2nd GOP amnesty on the way.
    Nope.
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  18. #16

    Exclamation A Reagan Republican

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Nope.
    President Trump is a genuine Reagan Reconquista Republican.

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  20. #17
    February 1, 2019

    Trump: 'Good chance' he will declare emergency for wall money

    Steve Holland

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump edged closer on Friday to defying the power of the U.S. Congress by declaring a national emergency in an attempt to obtain funding for a U.S.-Mexico border wall, a step that would likely draw a court challenge from Democrats.

    Trump said at a White House event that he might declare such an emergency because it did not appear that Democrats in Congress were moving toward a deal that would provide the money he wants to help fund the wall, which Democrats broadly oppose.
    “We’re not getting anywhere with them,” Trump said during an event at the White House, citing what he called “tremendous obstruction by Democrats,” who call their differences with the president a basic disagreement over immigration policy.
    “I think there’s a good chance that we’ll have to do that,” Trump added, referring to the possibility of an emergency.
    Under the U.S. Constitution, Congress holds the national purse strings and approves major expenditures of taxpayer funds.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1PQ5H7

  21. #18
    White House chief of staff Mulvaney won't rule out possibility of another shutdown

    With just days left to find a deal, the White House signaled a willingness accept wall funding that is "someplace in the middle."



    Feb. 10, 2019, 10:05 AM EST
    By Ben Kamisar
    WASHINGTON — Five days ahead of the latest funding deadline, acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said Sunday that he "absolutely cannot" rule out the possibility of another partial government shutdown if Congress doesn't come to an agreement that includes substantial funding for a border wall.
    Mulvaney blamed the uncertainty on congressional Democrats, arguing that the party appears torn between the "hardcore, left wing" that sees any funding for President Donald Trump's signature border wall as a non-starter, and a more moderate faction that appears open to compromise.
    "Let's say the hardcore, left wing of the Democrat Party prevails in this negotiation and they put a bill on the president's desk with, say, zero money for the wall, or $800 million, an absurdly low number. How does he sign that?" Mulvaney told "Meet the Press."

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...bility-n969801

  22. #19
    Congrats to these winners who made the right call:


    • No, MAGA will declare emergency
      • aGameOfThrones,
      • Chester Copperpot,
      • francisco,
      • Pauls' Revere



  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Congrats to these winners who made the right call:


    • No, MAGA will declare emergency
      • aGameOfThrones,
      • Chester Copperpot,
      • francisco,
      • Pauls' Revere


    Don't call it until he signs the bill and declares the emergency or you might end up looking silly:



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  24. #21
    Ok, you may have a point.
    Also there is still possibility that he signs Dems spending bill and doesn't declare emergency. Although that may sink GOP-Adelson's political future rather quickly.



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