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    Thumbs down Libertarian Party Endorses Illegal Immigration

    In its latest attempt to perhaps court Democrat voters, the Libertarian Party announced that it does not support classifying those who cross the U.S.-Mexico border illegally as criminals.
    The Libertarian Party made its pro-illegal immigrant stance clear in a new statement posted to Facebook, in which it claimed those who illegally enter the country through improper methods should not be considered criminals, and suggested that “all individuals have the same natural rights regardless of their citizenship.”


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    This is why they lose. Next they will be saying non citizens should be able to vote in our elections. Yea that'll boost their numbers!
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    The shooting of Gabrielle Gifford was blamed on putting a crosshair on a political map. I wonder what event we'll see justified with pictures like this.

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    I can't think of a more appropriate term that morons.
    The last thing you're going to see a 'typical' liberal do , is wake
    up one day and think, hmmm , Libertarians, gee they don't
    classify illegals as illegals, I'm going to give up my Marxist socialism today
    and vote libertarian, yea!!!

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    “all individuals have the same natural rights regardless of their citizenship.”

    Libertarian Party believes the government’s only legitimate purpose is to protect the “natural rights of individuals from the initiation of force or fraud
    I am certain the LP does not endorse fraud, theft or otherwise. The article does not come out and directly accuse the LP of that, but the way that it is written would elude a reader to make those assumptions.

    Natural Rights apply to all people. Isn’t that what RPF forum advocates? Or has that changed?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    I can't think of a more appropriate term that morons.
    The last thing you're going to see a 'typical' liberal do , is wake
    up one day and think, hmmm , Libertarians, gee they don't
    classify illegals as illegals, I'm going to give up my Marxist socialism today
    and vote libertarian, yea!!!
    The thing you will see just before that (just as never) is millions of communist immigrants convert to libertarianism faster than they flood in because the LP offered to open the gates for them.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 01-31-2019 at 07:12 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I am certain the LP does not endorse fraud, theft or otherwise. The article does not come out and directly accuse the LP of that, but the way that it is written would elude a reader to make those assumptions.

    Natural Rights apply to all people. Isn’t that what RPF forum advocates? Or has that changed?
    Entering our territory isn't a natural right and the LP is pretending that it is.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Entering our territory isn't a natural right and the LP is pretending that it is.
    So we throw principles out the window to make everything better.

    You’re a statist Republican, I know just the place: TPF, they HATE RP worse than Hitlery.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The thing you will see just before that (just as never) is millions of communists immigrants convert to libertarianism faster than they flood in because the LP offered to open the gates for them.
    Right, I agree, and this new 'gimmic' is going to do nothing but alienate true
    libertarians and constitutionalists.
    This new gimmick again, is what Gary Johnson was to our party, a phony .



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    So we throw principles out the window to make everything better.

    You’re a statist Republican, I know just the place: TPF, they HATE RP worse than Hitlery.
    It isn't throwing out principles, it is a principled stand for the American people to have the right to control who enters our territory and joins us.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    So we throw principles out the window to make everything better.

    You’re a statist Republican, I know just the place: TPF, they HATE RP worse than Hitlery.
    Principles, how is not calling a spade a spade, that would just be lying , so
    how is a party that adopts the Catholic Church principal of going wherever the money and
    votes are a party of principals.
    This is rhetorical , cause I know for a fact you have no clue.

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    I advocate End/All incentives. That is what Libertarians AND Republicans should be fully advocating, but all I hear is crickets.


    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I advocate End/All incentives. That is what Libertarians AND Republicans should be fully advocating, but all I hear is crickets.


    I want to end all government incentives too but the biggest incentive is our economy and they will still come in the millions because ending the incentives will improve our economy.

    A free people have a right to limit the number of foreigners who come from cultures that aren't based in liberty who are allowed to come and join the electorate.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I am certain the LP does not endorse fraud, theft or otherwise. The article does not come out and directly accuse the LP of that, but the way that it is written would elude a reader to make those assumptions.

    Natural Rights apply to all people. Isn’t that what RPF forum advocates? Or has that changed?
    Natural rights does not mean that people are allowed where they are not invited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I advocate End/All incentives. That is what Libertarians AND Republicans should be fully advocating, but all I hear is crickets.

    ...
    Speaking of rp forum members that would be complete bs, but speaking of
    prominent politicians, I'd tend to agree, they don't get far enough into what
    it will really take to end the problem , a wall alone is not the answer, and
    cutting all incentives isn't either. We need both and probably some other
    ideas mixed in the pot.
    I've always said , lets help Mexico become great, can't say again , but great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Natural rights does not mean that people are allowed where they are not invited.
    You guys want the perfect solution. Ok, I’ll give you one. It abides by the NAP, protects Private Proprty Rights, and takes care of immigrants walking across land.

    Trump, the billionaire real-estate magnate that he is, as well as being a “Patriot” who cares about MAGA, should homestead the land at the border that isn’t already owned. There, he can put his own private fence up with his own money and problem solved. He can even stick a few tourism resorts there if he wants.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    In the realm of things that a libertarian party could support that would gain them money and votes, what would those things be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You guys want the perfect solution. Ok, I’ll give you one. It abides by the NAP, protects Private Proprty Rights, and takes care of immigrants walking across land.

    Trump, the billionaire real-estate magnate that he is, as well as being a “Patriot” who cares about MAGA, should homestead the land at the border that isn’t already owned. There, he can put his own private fence up with his own money and problem solved. He can even stick a few tourism resorts there if he wants.
    We have a right to use the government charged with defending us against hostile foreigners to keep the foreigners out in spite of what individual landowners at the border want.

    A wall may not be the best way to do that but you are once more trying to tell us that we can't do anything.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Hoppeanism that treats the state as an owner is the only brand of libertarianism that will survive into the middle of this century.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

    The counter-revolution will not be televised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We have a right to use the government charged with defending us against hostile foreigners to keep the foreigners out in spite of what individual landowners at the border want.

    A wall may not be the best way to do that but you are once more trying to tell us that we can't do anything.
    What do you mean can’t do anything? There you go twisting $#@! again.

    As some have already repeated. End incentives, if the government feels they are such a threat, or a wall that will take years to build.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    In the realm of things that a libertarian party could support that would gain them money and votes, what would those things be?
    They need to endorse positions that are outside of the mainstream, like legalizing machine guns, freezing immigration, bringing all the troops home from everywhere, etc.
    Their only chance is if they offer things that people care about that the other two parties aren't offering.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    What do you mean can’t do anything? There you go twisting $#@! again.

    As some have already repeated. End incentives, if the government feels they are such a threat, or a wall that will take years to build.
    I mean just what I said, ending incentives doesn't keep the foreigners out, all it does is slightly reduce the incentive for them to come.

    You didn't suggest that we massively increase patrols on the border, you suggested that the best we could do is build a private wall on any land we could obtain.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    Hoppeanism that treats the state as an owner is the only brand of libertarianism that will survive into the middle of this century.
    I'm not overly familiar with Hoppeanism but the state IS the representative of those who own the land at a territorial level.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    You guys want the perfect solution. Ok, I’ll give you one. It abides by the NAP, protects Private Proprty Rights, and takes care of immigrants walking across land.

    Trump, the billionaire real-estate magnate that he is, as well as being a “Patriot” who cares about MAGA, should homestead the land at the border that isn’t already owned. There, he can put his own private fence up with his own money and problem solved. He can even stick a few tourism resorts there if he wants.
    Historically immigration has yielded immigrants that overwhelming vote Democrat and with pathway to citizenship being offered the days of being secure in our private property rights are numbered.

    The far left Presidential candidates are already talking about confiscation of wealth. How long before they are promoting confiscation of private property since they claim you have too much or are not a good enough steward over your land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    The far left Presidential candidates are already talking about confiscation of wealth. How long before they are promoting confiscation of private property since they claim you have too much or are not a good enough steward over your land.
    Confiscation of wealth: Dems, personal welfare. Repubs, corp welfare.

    Confiscation of property. Bush/Obama land grab (2 largest in history). Trump, eminent domain past couple of decades, and now 2,000 miles.

    I don’t see the distinction between the two. Can you help me out?
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    In the realm of things that a libertarian party could support that would gain them money and votes, what would those things be?
    The end does not justify the means imv.
    I can appreciate the fact that the Libertarian Party
    deserves a much higher profile, and influence, however
    I don't see us as a party of opportunism , rather a party
    of truth, liberty , transparency.
    'The goal' , just for sake of acheiving the goal
    would require a mercinary stance, a Liberal Stance , a Catholic Church Stance.
    One that goes where the money/votes are, regardless of roots and ethics.
    I like the Libertarian party as a party of principles, one that sticks
    to its core issues/mission statement.
    Your comment is excellent , and deserves a dedicated thread;
    ''What can we do to attract new members'' or something to that effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I want to end all government incentives too but the biggest incentive is our economy and they will still come in the millions because ending the incentives will improve our economy.

    A free people have a right to limit the number of foreigners who come from cultures that aren't based in liberty who are allowed to come and join the electorate.
    NOT. TRUE.

    Ending incentives will indeed improve the economy & people will come here to WORK.

    And a truly free people understand that liberty is the base for all people- it isn't dem foreigners that have stolen our freedom- it's ignorant Americans giving in to TPTB.
    There is no spoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Confiscation of wealth: Dems, personal welfare. Repubs, corp welfare.

    Confiscation of property. Bush/Obama land grab (2 largest in history). Trump, eminent domain past couple of decades, and now 2,000 miles.

    I don’t see the distinction between the two. Can you help me out?
    Both are bad but look at what is waiting on the horizon from the new Democratic party. Unprecedented scary $#@!. We are entering new territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Confiscation of wealth: Dems, personal welfare. Repubs, corp welfare.

    Confiscation of property. Bush/Obama land grab (2 largest in history). Trump, eminent domain past couple of decades, and now 2,000 miles.

    I don’t see the distinction between the two. Can you help me out?
    I believe I can PAF.
    Obama Grabbed over a million acres, for a useless monument, later to likely be leased to China
    or Russia for mining endeavors , yes our govt is corrupt.
    Trump on the other had is doing what our govt is supposed to do;
    Protect us from invasion, sure beats the hell out of killing millions
    of people around the globe, right....?.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Both are bad but look at what is waiting on the horizon from the new Democratic party. Unprecedented scary $#@!. We are entering new territory.
    Let it all collapse. I’m done puckering up.

    As the Joker said: “The whole world needs an enema.” The only outstanding issue is, when Iran, NK and Cuba are battered before they join the ranks.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    NOT. TRUE.

    Ending incentives will indeed improve the economy & people will come here to WORK.
    And they will still vote for socialism because they don't understand that liberty is responsible for the wealth and opportunity that drew them here, history proves that to be true, a desire to work has no effect on whether or not someone believes in socialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    And a truly free people understand that liberty is the base for all people-
    They are entitled to liberty IN THEIR OWN LANDS, if they don't give it to eachother at home they will deprive us of it here.
    When the rest of the world is as free or more than the US we can consider open borders.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    it isn't dem foreigners that have stolen our freedom- it's ignorant Americans giving in to TPTB.
    The foreigners have tipped the balance of our politics and made everything worse.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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