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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are illegal invaders because they are violating our laws about who is allowed to come here and how.
    So then they did have their day in court, faced their accuser, and found guilty in a court of law.

    Thanks ;-)

    I just wanted to make sure the Bill of Rights were applied.
    Last edited by PAF; 01-29-2019 at 11:33 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    So then they did have their day in court, faced their accuser, and found guilty in a court of law.

    Thanks ;-)

    I just wanted to make sure the Bill of Rights were applied.
    That has nothing to do with it, a robber is a robber before he is caught and tried, "innocent until proven guilty" is a legal fiction to protect those who are not the actual robber.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That has nothing to do with it, a robber is a robber before he is caught and tried, "innocent until proven guilty" is a legal fiction to protect those who are not the actual robber.
    I see. It’s really guilty until innocent then, which this government is trying to tell us. Now I understand.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I see. It’s really guilty until innocent then, which this government is trying to tell us. Now I understand.
    No, guilty people are guilty and innocent people are innocent, the government can't tell which is which without a trial but whoever committed the crime is guilty the moment they commit it.

    Are you really this stupid or is it an act you put on when the truth is not on your side?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, guilty people are guilty and innocent people are innocent, the government can't tell which is which without a trial but whoever committed the crime is guilty the moment they commit it.

    Are you really this stupid or is it an act you put on when the truth is not on your side?
    To continue this ridiculous conversation where you keep putting your foot in your mouth? Yes, it’s time for shut-eye so I can work to pay my own way - and the government.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The country owns its territory and has a right to say who is allowed to enter it, the founders understood that well:

    Article 1

    Section 9. TheMigration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight


    https://www.constitution.org/cmt/law_of_nations.htm

    The meaning of "Offenses against the Law of Nations"

    Art. I Sec. 8 Cl. 10 of the Constitution for the United States delegates the power to Congress to "define and punish ... Offenses against the Law of Nations". It is important to understand what is and is not included in the term of art "law of nations", and not confuse it with "international law". They are not the same thing. The phrase "law of nations" is a direct translation of the Latin jus gentium, which means the underlying principles of right and justice among nations, and during the founding era was not considered the same as the "laws", that is, the body of treaties and conventions between nations, the jus inter gentes, which, combined with jus gentium, comprise the field of "international law". The distinction goes back to ancient Roman Law.

    Briefly, the Law of Nations at the point of ratification in 1788 included the following general elements, taken from Blackstone's Commentaries, and prosecution of those who might violate them:

    (1) No attacks on foreign nations, their citizens, or shipping, without either a declaration of war or letters of marque and reprisal.

    (2) Honoring of the flag of truce, peace treaties, and boundary treaties. No entry across national borders without permission of national authorities.

    (3) Protection of wrecked ships, their passengers and crew, and their cargo, from depredation by those who might find them.

    (4) Prosecution of piracy by whomever might be able to capture the pirates, even if those making the capture or their nations had not been victims.

    (5) Care and decent treatment of prisoners of war.

    (6) Protection of foreign embassies, ambassadors, and diplomats, and of foreign ships and their passengers, crew, and cargo while in domestic waters or in port.

    (7) Honoring of extradition treaties for criminals who committed crimes in a nation with whom one has such a treaty who escape to one's territory or are found on the high seas established with all nations in 1788,

    (8) Prohibition of enslavement of foreign nationals and international trading in slaves.
    @PAF did you miss this?
    Are you going to admit that the founders intended for the state and federal governments to control immigration?
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    To continue this ridiculous conversation where you keep putting your foot in your mouth? Yes, it’s time for shut-eye so I can work to pay my own way - and the government.
    LOL, you are the one who keeps putting your foot in your mouth.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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