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    The Real Resistance: Washington State Sheriffs Refuse To Enforce Unconstitutional Gun Laws

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ional-gun-laws

    Authored by Daisy Luther via The Organic Prepper blog,

    Washington state recently introduced bills for some of the strictest gun laws in the country but they have some very important opponents: the sheriffs.

    Long thought to be the last line of defense between authoritarianism and freedom, sheriffs are in a unique position. As elected officials, basically nobody has authority over them – not the judges, not the Feds – no one except the people who may or may not choose to re-elect them.

    What are those new gun laws in Washington?

    In November, Washington voters passed a ballot initiative, I-1639. To purchase a semi-automatic rifle, buyers must be over 21, undergo an enhanced background check, must have completed a safety course, and need to wait 9 days to take possession of their weapon. And that’s not all. A gun owner who doesn’t store his or her weapon “properly” can be prosecuted.

    And that was just the beginning of the unconstitutional momentum.

    Feeling the wind at their backs after the ballot, gun campaigners and liberal legislators have now gone even further in the new legislative session. Bills introduced in the last week to Washington’s Democrat-dominated legislature look to further restrict firearms. Some laws would ban high capacity magazines and plastic guns made with 3D printers. Others would mandate training for concealed carry permits, and remove guns and ammo during and after domestic violence incidents.

    Washington’s attorney general, Bob Ferguson, who proposed several of the bills, said in an email: “Now is the time to act. Washingtonians have made it clear that they support common-sense gun safety reforms.” (source)

    Things are getting more and more difficult for gun owners in a state that has two very different demographics.

    Washington is a reflection of the rest of the US.

    The state of Washington is similar to the United States in general. The vast majority of the population lives in a few large cities, distant from the rural and small-town folks in a lot more than just mileage. The left-leaning cities are in direct opposition to the more right-leaning rural communities, but the rural communities are under the thumb of the city voters due to numbers.

    Back when they voted on I-1639, 27 of the 39 counties were against the measure, but because the twelve counties that voted FOR it were more populous, the initiative passed.

    Does this sound familiar? If it weren’t for the electoral college in national elections, we’d probably have Hillary Clinton as our president, and she’s notoriously anti-gun. The situation of gun owners would look very different right now if that had happened.

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    There have been attacks against Sheriffs lately , now we know why .
    There are Sheriff Constitutional Advocacy Groups Cropping up across the US , BRAVO to
    these brave men, Liberals want to do away with Sheriffs , we get it, centralize
    leo's standardize tyranny.

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    It's really simple. No matter the law the answer should always be...We. Will. Not. Comply.

    Then it becomes their move. It's one thing for an "enforcer" to possibly encounter deadly conflict on his/her day-to-day. It's quite another to be guaranteed of it.

    There is a reason John Joe Gray never went before a judge, let alone a prison, and all charges were eventually dropped.

    "This kook is not worth it. Ten of him is not worth going up there and getting one of my young deputies killed." - Sheriff Ray Nutt

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    Some Washington law enforcement officers are refusing to enforce these laws.
    I hate to be a wet blanket, but this really is not a significant development. Places like that the sheriffs face far too much belligerence over a issue like this. Too bad the rest of the country is $#@!ed, and that's by far the majority. These sheriffs are in the distinct minority, most are more than happy to exercise their authoritay on anything and everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I hate to be a wet blanket, but this really is not a significant development. Places like that the sheriffs face far too much belligerence over a issue like this. Too bad the rest of the country is $#@!ed, and that's by far the majority. These sheriffs are in the distinct minority, most are more than happy to exercise their authoritay on anything and everything.
    And not all or even most.. a few..

    and their resolve has yet to be tested. (I am watching)
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    Sheriffs who don’t enforce Washington’s new gun law could be liable, AG Bob Ferguson says

    In an open letter to law enforcement, Ferguson wrote that he was confident the wide-ranging law was constitutional and would withstand court challenges, but that he was concerned about threats — mostly from county sheriffs — to not enforce the new law.

    County sheriffs who say they won’t enforce Washington’s new, stricter gun laws could be held liable if they refuse to perform enhanced background checks and someone who shouldn’t buy a gun is able to buy one and uses it in a crime, Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson said on Tuesday.

    In an open letter to law enforcement, Ferguson wrote that he was confident the wide-ranging law was constitutional and would withstand court challenges, but that he was concerned about threats — mostly from county sheriffs — to not enforce the new law.

    At least 13 county sheriffs have said they won’t enforce the law, Initiative 1639, which voters passed by a wide margin in November.

    Most of the new law — which raises the minimum age to buy semi-automatic rifles, requires enhanced background checks for those rifles and can hold gun owners responsible if their gun was stored carelessly and is used in a crime — has not yet gone into effect. Only the higher age limit — raised from 18 to 21 — is now in effect; the rest of the law goes into effect July 1.

    In November, the NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation sued Ferguson and the state of Washington in federal court, arguing the law was unconstitutional.

    The lawsuit was withdrawn on Monday, after Ferguson sought to have it dismissed on procedural grounds. But the lawsuit was simultaneously refiled, this time listing the Clark County sheriff, the Spokane police chief and the director of the state Department of Licensing as defendants.

    The sheriffs claim the law is unconstitutional, but most have been vague about which parts of the law they object to and which parts they will not enforce.

    The main responsibility for local law enforcement under the new law is to run the enhanced background checks — searching at least three state and federal databases and checking for outstanding warrants and pending criminal charges.

    It is this aspect of the law, which local law enforcement has performed for years on anyone who tries to buy a handgun, that Ferguson said he is most concerned about.

    “These enhanced background checks keep guns out of the hands of dangerous individuals who lawfully cannot own firearms because of a mental illness or criminal record,” Ferguson wrote. “As far as I know, no Washington sheriff or police chief has refused to perform these enhanced background checks for handguns. Why refuse to perform them for semiautomatic assault rifles?”

    It is unclear how many of the sheriffs and police chiefs who have vowed not to enforce the law planned to not conduct the background checks.

    For instance, Franklin County Sheriff Jim Raymond called the law unconstitutional and said he wouldn’t enforce it, but said he supported the 10-day waiting period and the enhanced background checks.

    “Certainly we’re going to follow all of those type of things,” Raymond said.

    If other sheriffs do not, however, Ferguson said they could be held liable if a gun sale that would have been prevented by the new background checks goes through and then someone uses that gun in a crime.

    “The taxpayers of your city or county assume the financial risk of your decision to impose your personal views over the law,” he wrote.

    Brionna Aho, a Ferguson spokeswoman, said Ferguson’s letter refers to potential civil lawsuits, not criminal charges, against sheriffs who don’t enforce the law.

    “Liability would come in the form of a tort lawsuit from individual(s) harmed as a result of a sheriff or police chief refusing to comply with his or her legal obligation,” Aho wrote in an email.

    In defending their refusal to enforce the new law, several sheriffs have cited Seattle and other “sanctuary cities” that have promised to limit local involvement with immigration enforcement.

    “Officers have discretion,” said Klickitat County Sheriff Bob Songer, who said he won’t enforce the law. “I follow the rule of law when I believe it’s constitutional.”

    Ferguson says the comparison is misplaced. I-1639 is a state law, Ferguson writes, and law-enforcement agencies have a duty to “abide by the will of the people we serve and implement and enforce the laws they adopt.”

    “This is not a situation where the federal government is trying to force the state to enforce federal laws,” he wrote. “If you personally disagree with Initiative 1639, seek to change it. Or file a lawsuit challenging it. But do not substitute your personal views over that of the people.”

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ferguson-says/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Sheriffs who don’t enforce Washington’s new gun law could be liable, AG Bob Ferguson says

    In an open letter to law enforcement, Ferguson wrote that he was confident the wide-ranging law was constitutional and would withstand court challenges, but that he was concerned about threats — mostly from county sheriffs — to not enforce the new law.

    County sheriffs who say they won’t enforce Washington’s new, stricter gun laws could be held liable if they refuse to perform enhanced background checks and someone who shouldn’t buy a gun is able to buy one and uses it in a crime, Washington Attorney General Bob Ferguson said on Tuesday.

    In an open letter to law enforcement, Ferguson wrote that he was confident the wide-ranging law was constitutional and would withstand court challenges, but that he was concerned about threats — mostly from county sheriffs — to not enforce the new law.

    At least 13 county sheriffs have said they won’t enforce the law, Initiative 1639, which voters passed by a wide margin in November.

    Most of the new law — which raises the minimum age to buy semi-automatic rifles, requires enhanced background checks for those rifles and can hold gun owners responsible if their gun was stored carelessly and is used in a crime — has not yet gone into effect. Only the higher age limit — raised from 18 to 21 — is now in effect; the rest of the law goes into effect July 1.

    In November, the NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation sued Ferguson and the state of Washington in federal court, arguing the law was unconstitutional.

    The lawsuit was withdrawn on Monday, after Ferguson sought to have it dismissed on procedural grounds. But the lawsuit was simultaneously refiled, this time listing the Clark County sheriff, the Spokane police chief and the director of the state Department of Licensing as defendants.

    The sheriffs claim the law is unconstitutional, but most have been vague about which parts of the law they object to and which parts they will not enforce.

    The main responsibility for local law enforcement under the new law is to run the enhanced background checks — searching at least three state and federal databases and checking for outstanding warrants and pending criminal charges.

    It is this aspect of the law, which local law enforcement has performed for years on anyone who tries to buy a handgun, that Ferguson said he is most concerned about.

    “These enhanced background checks keep guns out of the hands of dangerous individuals who lawfully cannot own firearms because of a mental illness or criminal record,” Ferguson wrote. “As far as I know, no Washington sheriff or police chief has refused to perform these enhanced background checks for handguns. Why refuse to perform them for semiautomatic assault rifles?”

    It is unclear how many of the sheriffs and police chiefs who have vowed not to enforce the law planned to not conduct the background checks.

    For instance, Franklin County Sheriff Jim Raymond called the law unconstitutional and said he wouldn’t enforce it, but said he supported the 10-day waiting period and the enhanced background checks.

    “Certainly we’re going to follow all of those type of things,” Raymond said.

    If other sheriffs do not, however, Ferguson said they could be held liable if a gun sale that would have been prevented by the new background checks goes through and then someone uses that gun in a crime.

    “The taxpayers of your city or county assume the financial risk of your decision to impose your personal views over the law,” he wrote.

    Brionna Aho, a Ferguson spokeswoman, said Ferguson’s letter refers to potential civil lawsuits, not criminal charges, against sheriffs who don’t enforce the law.

    “Liability would come in the form of a tort lawsuit from individual(s) harmed as a result of a sheriff or police chief refusing to comply with his or her legal obligation,” Aho wrote in an email.

    In defending their refusal to enforce the new law, several sheriffs have cited Seattle and other “sanctuary cities” that have promised to limit local involvement with immigration enforcement.

    “Officers have discretion,” said Klickitat County Sheriff Bob Songer, who said he won’t enforce the law. “I follow the rule of law when I believe it’s constitutional.”

    Ferguson says the comparison is misplaced. I-1639 is a state law, Ferguson writes, and law-enforcement agencies have a duty to “abide by the will of the people we serve and implement and enforce the laws they adopt.”

    “This is not a situation where the federal government is trying to force the state to enforce federal laws,” he wrote. “If you personally disagree with Initiative 1639, seek to change it. Or file a lawsuit challenging it. But do not substitute your personal views over that of the people.”

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ferguson-says/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Will he be held accountable when an illegal invader commits a crime after benefiting from his "sanctuary" policies?
    Good question. Not in this State, west coast syndrome.
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    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
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