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    Exclamation Treat anti-vaxxers like the dangerous conspiracy theorists they are

    Seems like she'd be in favor of summary executions.


    Treat anti-vaxxers like the dangerous conspiracy theorists they are

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...rists-they-are

    by Tiana Lowe
    January 29, 2019 05:19 PM

    Smallpox, an ancient airborne disease with a terrifying 30 percent fatality rate, afflicted more than 50 million new victims per year in the 1950s. By 1979, smallpox became the first human disease in history to be effectively eradicated. Polio, yaws, and malaria have been eliminated across vast swaths of the globe, as have measles, mumps, and rubella in the developed world.

    The sole reason for these victories is vaccination, the single most effective public health campaign in history.

    The thing about science in the real world, as opposed to "SCIENCE" in the imagination of liberal blog commenters, is that it tends to not be conclusive. Falsifiable hypotheses are difficult to test, and in cases where a theory is all but confirmed, such as anthropogenic climate change due to the greenhouse effect, the modeling is flawed or contested.

    Vaccination is different. It's unique in the sense that we have conclusive proof of its efficacy, with tens of millions of data points studied in meta-analyses proving not only that vaccines save nearly 3 million lives per year, but also that they definitively do not cause autism.

    That hasn't stopped a growing number of Americans from becoming anti-vaxxers.

    Thanks to the measles vaccine, the World Health Organization declared in 2016 that the Americas became the first region of the world to eradicate measles, a disease so contagious that you can contract it just by being in the same room as an infected person. The Centers for Disease Control found that these vaccinations saved 20 million lives globally since 2000. But now that a movement has grown, arguing against vaccinating children from a life-threatening and fully preventable illness, and the cases of the disease have reappeared in the country by the hundreds.

    Washington Gov. Jay Inslee declared a state of emergency after 36 new cases were reported in the Pacific Northwest. In Oregon, where 8 percent of children aren't vaccinated, 31 of 35 new measles cases emerged in unvaccinated people.

    There's no scientific basis to this position. Anti-vaxxing is a conspiracy tantamount to 9/11 trutherism and "Pizzagate."

    Health officials have sounded the alarm on anti-vaxxing for years now, to no avail. Growing droves of dupes have chosen to listen to an ex-Playboy model and her Hollywood cronies instead of a century of scientific research, and now people are dying.

    Before you conclude that we ought to let natural selection do its thing, keep in mind refusing to vaccinate your children isn't a self-affecting action. Before you make a libertarian argument for total freedom of vaccination, realize that refusal to vaccinate violates the nonaggression principle — the notion that you can wave your hand in the air so long as you don't slap anyone in the face.

    Because kids with autoimmune disorders or cancer can't get vaccinated and vaccines themselves don't provide 100 percent defense from disease, everyone who can get vaccinated must do so to ensure herd immunity. When people don't, Washington State happens, and four people with smart parents fall victim to the actions of 31 sets of fools.

    To much conservative mockery, socialist Sean McElwee tweeted earlier this month that leftists can beat Republicans by "attaching social stigma" to the political affiliation. The notion was received with more humor than fear not only because attaching a stigma to half the country is a tall order no one seems too keen to fill, but also because our nation was built on political dissent. Reasonable people debate about politics, religion, lifestyle choices, and ethics all the time without resorting to shame or violence. But this isn't a 100-percent rule. As a society, we don't entertain oppressive cults like Scientology or conspiracy theories like the Illuminati as within the bounds of permissible dissent. If we want to refute propositions like McElwee's effectively, we need to make sure we actually do exclude true idiocy.

    Anti-vaxxers have more than crossed the line. Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

    Sending your children to parochial school is a parental choice. Raising your children on a vegan diet is a parental choice. Refusing to vaccinate your children for nonmedical reasons is an act of biological warfare, a decision that could end in literal death.

    Eighteen states allow nonmedical vaccine exemptions. This means that in 18 states, you could be sending your children to school with kids who secretly are putting them at risk of contracting a life-threatening illness. That number should be zero. Until then, the media needs to start doing its job and stop catering to conspiracy-minded celebrities.

    No, USA Today should not frame Kailyn Lowry defending putting thousands of children at risk for fatal diseases by not vaccinating her son as a " clap back." It's a heinous, immoral decision driven by a willful embrace of a conspiracy theory, and the media must treat it as such.

    No, CNBC should not be granting softball sit-downs with Jenny McCarthy just to paint her as an "advocate for children with autism" when her most significant contribution to society is mainstreaming the murderous lie of anti-vaxxing.

    No, Yahoo! Finance absolutely should not equate Kat Von D's anti-vaxxing with "embracing the all-natural mama lifestyle."

    Anti-vaxxers are a threat to public safety. It's time to start treating them as such.



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    If they aren't vaccinated won't they just die anyway? And if other kids are vaccinated then it doesn't matter, does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    If they aren't vaccinated won't they just die anyway? And if other kids are vaccinated then it doesn't matter, does it?
    Not good enough comrade.

    Not 100 percent effective.

    This is the natural evolution of the Safety Uber Alles mindset: be safe or I will kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Not good enough comrade.

    Not 100 percent effective.

    This is the natural evolution of the Safety Uber Alles mindset: be safe or I will kill you.
    Obviously, be potentially safe, or I will kill you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Obviously, be potentially safe, or I will kill you.
    Do they have proof that
    it was the vaccine that eradicated Smallpox, as in Diseases do fail and drop out of societies.
    The plague killed 200 million , I don't believe it was stopped by vaccines.

    I think the underling issue that all conservatives detest is MANDATES, and if this clown wants to execute Holocaust Vaccine Deniers , than she sure
    as #### is supporting a Mandate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Obviously, be potentially safe, or I will kill you.
    Its the underlying theme of liberals in general, same as the fact that they would rather a woman
    beaten , raped , murdered than allow her the right to defend herself.
    Last edited by Stratovarious; 01-29-2019 at 07:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Its the underlying theme of liberals in general, same as the fact that they would rather a woman
    beaten , raped , murdered than allow her the right to defend herself.
    Last Tuesday a 25-year-old woman in Chicago was waiting at the bus stop in the early morning when she was approached by a 19-year-old man with a gun. The Chicago Tribune describes what happened next:


    Laavion Goings Jr. was out of jail only two months when the 19-year-old walked up to a bus stop about a block from his home, pulled out a gun and tried to rob a woman on the Far South Side.
    But the woman had a gun too and fired first, hitting Goings in the chest, according to Chicago police. The teen ran back to his home and made it as far as a stairwell in the foyer of a building before collapsing in the 400 block of West 103rd Street.
    That’s where officers found him shortly before 6 a.m. Tuesday, just minutes after the shooting. He died within an hour at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn.
    Video from across the street apparently captured the incident so police know exactly what happened. The intended victim had a concealed carry permit for her gun so she is not in any trouble with authorities. This is a clear case of self-defense.


    Enter Zack Ford, an editor at Think Progress who was outrageously outraged that conservatives at the Dailly Caller were celebrating the fact that a woman defended herself with a gun against an armed mugger. (As I was writing this, Ford deleted all of his tweets, but screenshots exist.)

    By the time I saw that tweet it had about 4,000 responses and fewer than 200 had liked it. Truly a ratio for the ages. When Zack was called on this by his own followers he doubled down (from here).

    So she shouldn’t have had a gun even in this case where she used it to defend herself against an armed mugger. What was she supposed to do then, exactly? If you guessed ‘not fight back’ then you’re tracking well with Zack Ford’s mindset (from here):

    She should have “let him rob her.” That’s a great piece of armchair quarterbacking from a guy who probably hasn’t ever had a gun pointed at him. What happens if, having collected her purse, the mugger decides to drag her around the corner and rape her? Should she let that happen too? What if he’s high and shoots her for no real reason? The point is, Zack Ford has no idea what would have happened next if the woman hadn’t been armed. More importantly, she had no idea either. All she knew in that moment was that a man was pointing a gun at her and making demands.
    It’s worth noting that this guy has been in trouble with the law before. From the Chicago Sun-Times:
    Laavion Goings had been released from Cook County Jail two months earlier after pleading guilty to a drug charge and was on probation at the time of the robbery, according to authorities.
    Goings pleaded guilty Nov. 1 to possession of methamphetamine, Cook County court records showed. He had initially also faced six counts of aggravated battery to a peace officer in connection with the same case, but the charges were later dropped by prosecutors.
    To be very clear, I’m not suggesting he deserved to die. I am suggesting that he had a record and a history of violent, unpredictable behavior that would make it unwise for a young woman to wait around and see what he decides to do after he pulls a gun. Dana Loesch had a pretty sharp response along these lines:
    If you target a woman and attack her she has every right to drop you. Make predators afraid — as opposed to shaming women for wanting to live or not be assaulted or violated.
    — Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) January 15, 2019
    But if you think it’s just the NRA that supports this kind of self-defense, think again. I watched three different local news reports on this story (two of them are below) and all of the local residents say the woman did the right thing (and many believe the mugger got what he deserved). Note, these were all black, Chicago residents who are probably not arch-conservatives or NRA members. One older gentleman in the 2nd clip below says, “I don’t feel sorry for the guy at all, I feel sorry for her.”

    More at: https://hotair.com/archives/2019/01/...defending-gun/
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    Liberals are not smart enough to know the difference between Theft and Armed Robbery,
    the two crimes are not even similar.
    Armed Robber - your life is in the hands of the perp, you are threatened with grave injury, often times you wind up dead.
    Theft- the perp steals bicycle etc , your life is never in danger, you never face injury of any kind.



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    UMMMMMMMMMMM

    THEFT IS SIN
    SIN is punnishale by death

    so...


    i like how he said no death penalty for sticking a gun in someones face because its unjust, and yet ABORTION is a-ok im sure!

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Feminism = Discrimination at the highest possible level;
    A man is not legally allowed anywhere in the world to execute/murder
    any innocent human being.
    Women are not only allowed but encouraged and paid to
    murder their own.
    55 million since 1973
    9 Holocausts
    Among the worst mass murderers in history.
    You can thank Feminists.

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    Medical Tyranny
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    What happens if both the Anti Vaxxers and Conspiracy Theorists are right? Even if only about a few things? The real Tyranny is not being able to become an INFORMED individual on ANY subject.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    "Mass media corporations are under the influence of Big pHARMa and Big Philanthropy money."

    https://www.nvic.org
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    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    "Mass media corporations are under the influence of Big pHARMa and Big Philanthropy money."

    https://www.nvic.org
    If the relationship between Media and People was direct, and supported by the people paying the sources of media, then we would have more influence over the media. As it stands, Advertisers are the only ones that pay the Media, thus the Advertisers have perverted the Media to become the MSM, whose interests are opposed to that of the people.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    If the relationship between Media and People was direct, and supported by the people paying the sources of media, then we would have more influence over the media. As it stands, Advertisers are the only ones that pay the Media, thus the Advertisers have perverted the Media to become the MSM, whose interests are opposed to that of the people.
    Advertisers won't pay for ads if there is no audience. The media need to play to their audience to attract the money. If they don't give the viewers what they think they want, nobody will watch (or read) so no advertising revenues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Advertisers won't pay for ads if there is no audience. The media need to play to their audience to attract the money. If they don't give the viewers what they think they want, nobody will watch (or read) so no advertising revenues.
    The media is a subsidized propaganda outlet, the advertisers and the government support them whether it makes economic sense or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Advertisers won't pay for ads if there is no audience. The media need to play to their audience to attract the money. If they don't give the viewers what they think they want, nobody will watch (or read) so no advertising revenues.
    Yeah because Stage Plays are constantly interrupted with "buy our $#@!". Some people enjoy plays, and its a form of media that isnt polluted with advertising. Thus, the play survives if it sufficiently satisfies the audience, to which, the audience itself pays to see, not the advertisers interruptions. Would you like it if I paid someone to get in your face every 30 seconds to tell you to buy my $#@!?
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Seems like she'd be in favor of summary executions.


    Treat anti-vaxxers like the dangerous conspiracy theorists they are

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...rists-they-are

    by Tiana Lowe
    January 29, 2019 05:19 PM

    Smallpox, an ancient airborne disease with a terrifying 30 percent fatality rate, afflicted more than 50 million new victims per year in the 1950s. By 1979, smallpox became the first human disease in history to be effectively eradicated. Polio, yaws, and malaria have been eliminated across vast swaths of the globe, as have measles, mumps, and rubella in the developed world.

    The sole reason for these victories is vaccination, the single most effective public health campaign in history.

    The thing about science in the real world, as opposed to "SCIENCE" in the imagination of liberal blog commenters, is that it tends to not be conclusive. Falsifiable hypotheses are difficult to test, and in cases where a theory is all but confirmed, such as anthropogenic climate change due to the greenhouse effect, the modeling is flawed or contested.

    Vaccination is different. It's unique in the sense that we have conclusive proof of its efficacy, with tens of millions of data points studied in meta-analyses proving not only that vaccines save nearly 3 million lives per year, but also that they definitively do not cause autism.

    That hasn't stopped a growing number of Americans from becoming anti-vaxxers.

    Thanks to the measles vaccine, the World Health Organization declared in 2016 that the Americas became the first region of the world to eradicate measles, a disease so contagious that you can contract it just by being in the same room as an infected person. The Centers for Disease Control found that these vaccinations saved 20 million lives globally since 2000. But now that a movement has grown, arguing against vaccinating children from a life-threatening and fully preventable illness, and the cases of the disease have reappeared in the country by the hundreds.

    Washington Gov. Jay Inslee declared a state of emergency after 36 new cases were reported in the Pacific Northwest. In Oregon, where 8 percent of children aren't vaccinated, 31 of 35 new measles cases emerged in unvaccinated people.

    There's no scientific basis to this position. Anti-vaxxing is a conspiracy tantamount to 9/11 trutherism and "Pizzagate."

    Health officials have sounded the alarm on anti-vaxxing for years now, to no avail. Growing droves of dupes have chosen to listen to an ex-Playboy model and her Hollywood cronies instead of a century of scientific research, and now people are dying.

    Before you conclude that we ought to let natural selection do its thing, keep in mind refusing to vaccinate your children isn't a self-affecting action. Before you make a libertarian argument for total freedom of vaccination, realize that refusal to vaccinate violates the nonaggression principle — the notion that you can wave your hand in the air so long as you don't slap anyone in the face.

    Because kids with autoimmune disorders or cancer can't get vaccinated and vaccines themselves don't provide 100 percent defense from disease, everyone who can get vaccinated must do so to ensure herd immunity. When people don't, Washington State happens, and four people with smart parents fall victim to the actions of 31 sets of fools.

    To much conservative mockery, socialist Sean McElwee tweeted earlier this month that leftists can beat Republicans by "attaching social stigma" to the political affiliation. The notion was received with more humor than fear not only because attaching a stigma to half the country is a tall order no one seems too keen to fill, but also because our nation was built on political dissent. Reasonable people debate about politics, religion, lifestyle choices, and ethics all the time without resorting to shame or violence. But this isn't a 100-percent rule. As a society, we don't entertain oppressive cults like Scientology or conspiracy theories like the Illuminati as within the bounds of permissible dissent. If we want to refute propositions like McElwee's effectively, we need to make sure we actually do exclude true idiocy.

    Anti-vaxxers have more than crossed the line. Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

    Sending your children to parochial school is a parental choice. Raising your children on a vegan diet is a parental choice. Refusing to vaccinate your children for nonmedical reasons is an act of biological warfare, a decision that could end in literal death.

    ]Eighteen states allow nonmedical vaccine exemptions. This means that in 18 states, you could be sending your children to school with kids who secretly are putting them at risk of contracting a life-threatening illness. That number should be zero. Until then, the media needs to start doing its job and stop catering to conspiracy-minded celebrities.

    No, USA Today should not frame Kailyn Lowry defending putting thousands of children at risk for fatal diseases by not vaccinating her son as a " clap back." It's a heinous, immoral decision driven by a willful embrace of a conspiracy theory, and the media must treat it as such.

    No, CNBC should not be granting softball sit-downs with Jenny McCarthy just to paint her as an "advocate for children with autism" when her most significant contribution to society is mainstreaming the murderous lie of anti-vaxxing.

    No, Yahoo! Finance absolutely should not equate Kat Von D's anti-vaxxing with "embracing the all-natural mama lifestyle."

    Anti-vaxxers are a threat to public safety. It's time to start treating them as such.
    refusal to vaccinate violates the nonaggression principle

    I agree with her. All opinions are not equal, and the media shouldn't pretend they are.

    People who have advanced degrees in microbiology are experts. People who read Natural News are not.
    Last edited by angelatc; 01-30-2019 at 10:02 PM.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Yeah because Stage Plays are constantly interrupted with "buy our $#@!". Some people enjoy plays, and its a form of media that isnt polluted with advertising. Thus, the play survives if it sufficiently satisfies the audience, to which, the audience itself pays to see, not the advertisers interruptions. Would you like it if I paid someone to get in your face every 30 seconds to tell you to buy my $#@!?
    Plays do use advertising to finance them. It may be as simple as buying space in the program. Large plays like on Broadway (which can cost $millions to put on) have corporate sponsors. And the audience is small.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...a-broadway-hit

    Corporate Sponsorship Is a Broadway Hit

    During a recent commercial break from the warbling singers of The Voice, you might have caught an ad featuring Motown Records founder Berry Gordy, riding statesman-like in a white Chrysler 300 Motown Edition. The cinematic spot follows Gordy, 83, as he and his Chrysler soar from his label’s original Hitsville U.S.A. building in Detroit to the Lunt-Fontanne Theater in New York, home of Gordy’s new Broadway show, Motown: The Musical.

    Motown, which opened on April 14 to strong advance ticket sales—it’s the eighth-highest-grossing show on Broadway—has forged an unprecedented deal between a musical and a corporate sponsor. Two years ago, Motown began talking with Chrysler, a company “in the business of selling cars, but also in the business of celebrating Detroit,” says producer Kevin McCollum. Since then, Chrysler, which in 2011 rebranded itself “Imported from Detroit,” has contributed an estimated $6 million to $8 million to promote Motown, with $2 million toward ads alone. “Regardless of my passion for Motown music … I would not have pushed a tie to [the show] if there wasn’t this new Chrysler story,” Olivier François, chief marketing officer at Chrysler, told the New York Times. Ilene Rosen, associate chief operating officer of SpotCo, an arts ad agency that worked on the Chrysler-Motown partnership, points to the deal’s rarity. “This pairing came from the top level of the company, and so the show didn’t have to pitch itself,” she says.

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  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    What happens if both the Anti Vaxxers and Conspiracy Theorists are right? Even if only about a few things? The real Tyranny is not being able to become an INFORMED individual on ANY subject.
    When you get a PhD in microbiology then you can consider yourself informed on vaccine science. Until then, you're not.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    refusal to vaccinate violates the nonaggression principle

    I agree with her. All opinions are not equal, and the media shouldn't pretend they are.

    People who have advanced degrees in microbiology are experts. People who read Natural News are not.
    I've been wondering what was taking you so long to show up and do something like completely misapply NAP and pretend like Appeal to Authority Fallacy isn't a thing.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Do they have proof that
    it was the vaccine that eradicated Smallpox, as in Diseases do fail and drop out of societies.
    The plague killed 200 million , I don't believe it was stopped by vaccines.

    .
    You should stop talking, but if you're an anti-vaxxer you won't. You stop thinking instead, and it's exactly why you and yours should be drummed out of polite society.

    Name a single disease that disappeared before there was a vaccine for it.

    Hint: The plague still exists.
    Last edited by angelatc; 01-30-2019 at 10:14 PM.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    I've been wondering what was taking you so long to show up and do something like completely misapply NAP and pretend like Appeal to Authority Fallacy isn't a thing.
    It's a quote from the article. I guess you didn't read it?
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    If they aren't vaccinated won't they just die anyway? And if other kids are vaccinated then it doesn't matter, does it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Not good enough comrade.

    Not 100 percent effective.

    This is the natural evolution of the Safety Uber Alles mindset: be safe or I will kill you.
    I know math is super hard, so again, for the 1000th time - it matters because:

    1. No vaccine is 100% effective.
    2. A certain Subset of the population can't be vaccinated and therefore depends on the community around it to be not carrying disease.
    3. Therefore, Community immunity has to reach a certain level to stop the spread disease.
    *******

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    refusal to vaccinate violates the nonaggression principle
    That is nonsense, the state of nature can't violate the NAP, were people violating the NAP for thousands of years?

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I agree with her. All opinions are not equal, and the media shouldn't pretend they are.

    People who have advanced degrees in microbiology are experts. People who read Natural News are not.
    You have a right to believe that and to tell other people what you believe, you do not have a right to impose your beliefs on others by force.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    When you get a PhD in microbiology then you can consider yourself informed on vaccine science. Until then, you're not.
    Thats almost worth a -Rep because you and Schools operate the same way, the ONLY people that are even qualified is the people that have been taught to not challenge the Holders of Information, even when we know damn good and well far to high of a percentage is flat out lies.

    Yet, you always call me out for being "Big Govt". Funny thing is you would have that same Big Govt come after me for so much as asking a Question. That is called THOUGHT POLICE.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

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    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Thats almost worth a -Rep because you and Schools operate the same way, the ONLY people that are even qualified is the people that have been taught to not challenge the Holders of Information, even when we know damn good and well far to high of a percentage is flat out lies.

    Yet, you always call me out for being "Big Govt". Funny thing is you would have that same Big Govt come after me for so much as asking a Question. That is called THOUGHT POLICE.
    And then she wants the government to inject you with unknown substances against your will.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And then she wants the government to inject you with unknown substances against your will.
    Theres no respect for personal choice anymore. When does that lack of respect start applying to non vaccine topics, like religion? If I am the "wrong" religion (typically wrong just means not the same) will they come and force me to be that religion? That sexuality? That political affiliation? That fan of a tv show? What if I eat the wrong brand of canned soup?

    Real Freedom is and has always been to respect the Right of other people to make choices that are not the same as our own. That Right can become very difficult if you know damn good and well that a person is making a major mistake. I will respect the choice of every other person when those choices are unto themselves and themselves alone, but when it comes to things like Fiat Currency, Forced Religions, Forced Vaccines, Forced Surveillance, then I can no longer stand idly by as that is when they ARE coming for people.

    The roadmap has always been the total enslavement of humanity, and its attacks come from every vector as a "foot in the door". Once they get one foot in, then the rest is sure to follow.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    You should stop talking, but if you're an anti-vaxxer you won't. You stop thinking instead, and it's exactly why you and yours should be drummed out of polite society.

    Name a single disease that disappeared before there was a vaccine for it.

    Hint: The plague still exists.
    LMAO Angie Leave it to Angie to initiate her conversations with a personal insults.
    Then leave it to Angie to hang herself with nonsense in her next breath.
    Angie , dear Angie , the plague killed 200 million around the globe
    like a 'Firestorm' .
    Your response is that it still exists , lmao , look out in the street Angie the bodies are
    3 feet thick.........:facepalm: go vax em Angie ..........

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