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    Trump’s Venezuela Fiasco

    Written by Ron Paul
    Monday January 28, 2019





    Last week President Trump announced that the United States would no longer recognize Nicholas Maduro as president of Venezuela and would recognize the head of its national assembly, Jose Guaido, as president instead. US thus openly backs regime change. But what has long been a dream of the neocons may well turn out to be a nightmare for President Trump.

    Why did Trump declare that the Venezuelan president was no longer the president? According to the State Department, the Administration was acting to help enforce the Venezuelan constitution. If only they were so eager to enforce our own Constitution!

    It’s ironic that a president who has spent the first two years in office fighting charges that a foreign country meddled in the US elections would turn around and not only meddle in foreign elections but actually demand the right to name a foreign country’s president! How would we react if the Chinese and Russians decided that President Trump was not upholding the US Constitution and recognized Speaker Nancy Pelosi as US president instead?

    Even those who would like to see a change of government in Venezuela should reject any notion that the change must be “helped” by the United States. According to press reports, Vice President Mike Pence was so involved in internal Venezuelan affairs that he actually urged Guaido to name himself president and promised US support. This is not only foolish, it is very dangerous. A Venezuelan civil war would result in mass death and even more economic misery!

    Regime change has long been US policy for Venezuela. The US has been conducting economic warfare practically since Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chavez, was first elected in 1998. The goal of US sanctions and other economic measures against Venezuela (and other countries in Washington’s crosshairs) is to make life so miserable for average citizens that they rise up and overthrow their leaders. But of course once they do so they must replace those leaders with someone approved by Washington. Remember after the “Arab Spring” in Egypt when the people did rise up and overthrow their leader, but they then elected the “wrong” candidate. The army moved in and deposed the elected president and replaced him with a Washington-approved politician. Then-Secretary of State John Kerry called it “restoring democracy.”

    It is tragically comical that President Trump has named convicted criminal Elliot Abrams as his point person to “restore democracy” in Venezuela. Abrams played a key role in the Iran-Contra affair and went on to be one of the chief architects of the disastrous US invasion of Iraq in 2003. His role in helping promote the horrible violence in Latin America in the 1980s should disqualify him from ever holding public office again.

    Instead of this ham-fisted coup d’etat, a better policy for Venezuela these past 20 years would have been engagement and trade. If we truly believe in the superiority of a free market system we must also believe that we can only lead by example, not by forcing our system on others.

    Just four months ago President Trump said at the UN: “I honor the right of every nation in this room to pursue its own customs, beliefs, and traditions. The United States will not tell you how to live or work or worship. We only ask that you honor our sovereignty in return.” Sadly it seems that these were merely empty words. We know from Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. that this will not end well for President Trump. Or for the United States. We must leave Venezuela alone!
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    Regime change has long been US policy for Venezuela. The US has been conducting economic warfare practically since Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chavez, was first elected in 1998. The goal of US sanctions and other economic measures against Venezuela (and other countries in Washington’s crosshairs) is to make life so miserable for average citizens that they rise up and overthrow their leaders.
    All about the petrodollar. The neocons see other nations moving away from the petrodollar as one of the biggest weaknesses to the house of cards they've built.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    The US has been conducting economic warfare practically since Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chavez, was first elected in 1998. The goal of US sanctions and other economic measures against Venezuela (and other countries in Washington’s crosshairs) is to make life so miserable for average citizens that they rise up and overthrow their leaders.
    Some people on this forum will read this and come to the conclusion that it is conspiracy theory. Thank you Dr. Ron Paul for stating the obvious.

    Even those who would like to see a change of government in Venezuela should reject any notion that the change must be “helped” by the United States.
    This should also be highlighted.
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    Regime change has long been US policy for Venezuela. The US has been conducting economic warfare practically since Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chavez, was first elected in 1998.
    Still waiting for someone to show me a single sanction against Venezuela.
    *******

    I didn't start out thinking that anti-vax people were fools or impervious to reason, it's from my experience here that I now think that.
    - AmyPi 2014 (RIP)

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Still waiting for someone to show me a single sanction against Venezuela.
    https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/venezuela/
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
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    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
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    Lightbulb treasury.gov

    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Still waiting for someone to show me a single sanction against Venezuela.
    Sanctions:

    United States


    1. Statutes:
      1. Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014
      2. International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), 50 U.S.C. §§ 1701-1706
      3. National Emergencies Act (NEA), 50 U.S.C. §§ 1601-1651

    2. Executive Orders:
      1. 13850 - Blocking Property of Additional Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (November 1, 2018)
      2. 13835 – Prohibiting Certain Additional Transactions with Respect to Venezuela (May 21, 2018)
      3. 13827 – Taking Additional Steps to Deal with the Situation in Venezuela (March 19, 2018)
      4. 13808 – Imposing Additional Sanctions with Respect to the Situation in Venezuela (August 24, 2017)
      5. 13692 – Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (March 8, 2015)



    https://www.wikitribune.com/article/84767/
    Last edited by RonZeplin; 01-28-2019 at 11:49 AM. Reason: Updated - (November 1, 2018) executive order added
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Every single sanction listed is against named individuals, and not the country of Venezuela. Corrupt government officials trying to offshore their looting in the evil USA. Every single one.
    Last edited by angelatc; 01-28-2019 at 12:16 PM.
    *******

    I didn't start out thinking that anti-vax people were fools or impervious to reason, it's from my experience here that I now think that.
    - AmyPi 2014 (RIP)

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Sanctions:

    United States


    1. Statutes:
      1. Venezuela Defense of Human Rights and Civil Society Act of 2014
      2. International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), 50 U.S.C. §§ 1701-1706
      3. National Emergencies Act (NEA), 50 U.S.C. §§ 1601-1651

    2. Executive Orders:
      1. 13850 - Blocking Property of Additional Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (November 1, 2018)
      2. 13835 – Prohibiting Certain Additional Transactions with Respect to Venezuela (May 21, 2018)
      3. 13827 – Taking Additional Steps to Deal with the Situation in Venezuela (March 19, 2018)
      4. 13808 – Imposing Additional Sanctions with Respect to the Situation in Venezuela (August 24, 2017)
      5. 13692 – Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (March 8, 2015)



    https://www.wikitribune.com/article/84767/
    I wil post this a thousand times if I have to because I am correct. Not a single sanction is against Venezuela.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6742625

    EVERY SINGLE SANCTION IS AGAINST A CORRUPT SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO IS LOOTING THE COFFERS AND ATTEMPTING TO OFF-SHORE ASSETS IN THE USA
    *******

    I didn't start out thinking that anti-vax people were fools or impervious to reason, it's from my experience here that I now think that.
    - AmyPi 2014 (RIP)

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I wil post this a thousand times if I have to because I am correct. Not a single sanction is against Venezuela.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6742625

    EVERY SINGLE SANCTION IS AGAINST A CORRUPT SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO IS LOOTING THE COFFERS AND ATTEMPTING TO OFF-SHORE ASSETS IN THE USA
    The duly elected and/or appointed government of .Venezuela, an act of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    The duly elected and/or appointed government of .Venezuela, an act of war.
    You just can't admit I'm right.

    There are no sanctions against Venezuela. There are sanctions against corrupt individuals in the Venezuelan government who are looting the government's coffers and trying to hide their assets here in this country.

    If this were WWII, you'd be here defending the hiding of assets stolen by the German forces. This is literally the same thing.

    EVERY SINGLE SANCTION IS AGAINST A CORRUPT SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO IS LOOTING THE COFFERS AND ATTEMPTING TO OFF-SHORE ASSETS IN THE USA

    They don't have any "right" to stash their money here.

    If this is war, why would they want their money in our country?
    *******

    I didn't start out thinking that anti-vax people were fools or impervious to reason, it's from my experience here that I now think that.
    - AmyPi 2014 (RIP)

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Trump’s Venezuela Fiasco

    Written by Ron Paul
    Monday January 28, 2019





    ...

    It’s ironic that a president who has spent the first two years in office fighting charges that a foreign country meddled in the US elections would turn around and not only meddle in foreign elections but actually demand the right to name a foreign country’s president! How would we react if the Chinese and Russians decided that President Trump was not upholding the US Constitution and recognized Speaker Nancy Pelosi as US president instead?

    ...!
    And they wonder why we love Ron Paul......
    Shame that CNN et al , black listed Ron in 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Every single sanction listed is against named individuals, and not the country of Venezuela. Corrupt government officials trying to offshore their looting in the evil USA. Every single one.
    What the hell? When and if our puppet is installed do you think they will santion his corrupt assets? Because I'l bet a bill he's going to have them. No, they won't. Are they going to freeze Pelosi's assets? No. Or any corrupt Israeli's assets? No.
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
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    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    What the hell? When and if our puppet is installed do you think they will santion his corrupt assets? Because I'l bet a bill he's going to have them. No, they won't. Are they going to freeze Pelosi's assets? No. Or any corrupt Israeli's assets? No.
    Doesn't disprove what I said, now does it?

    Venezuela is a banana republic. It is collapsing under it's own weight, and the vultures are circling.
    *******

    I didn't start out thinking that anti-vax people were fools or impervious to reason, it's from my experience here that I now think that.
    - AmyPi 2014 (RIP)

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Doesn't disprove what I said, now does it?

    Venezuela is a banana republic. It is collapsing under it's own weight, and the vultures are circling.
    Sure it does. And when it does collapse it will be our banana republic and we won't be sanctioning our puppets. That will be the major difference. All this altruistic neo con bull$#@! won't mean a thing.

    We'll never really know how that country would have done without our interference will we? All we can do is speculate and there's no shortage of that around here.

    There is no defensible way to say we didn't add to the weight.

    Today the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) designated Venezuelan national Diosdado Cabello Rondón (Cabello) pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13692, for being a current or former official of the Government of Venezuela. OFAC also designated three other individuals for being current or former officials, or for acting for or on behalf of designated individuals as key figures in Cabello’s corruption network.
    According to what I see listed every person affiliated with the government there is sanctioned. In a country like that how could anyone in their right mind think that wouldn't roll downhill?
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.

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    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Now a days the future freedoms of ones posterity is less important than the freedom today to insert what one wants into ones posterior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is a lie.
    @Brian4Liberty, devil keeps spreading this lie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I will report violations of the forum rules to the forum staff when they are egregious enough.

    You should remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post

    We'll never really know how that country would have done without our interference will we?
    We kind of can. It would have collapsed because socialism simply isn't sustainable. What we won't know is what or who would have filled the power vacuum in our absence.
    *******

    I didn't start out thinking that anti-vax people were fools or impervious to reason, it's from my experience here that I now think that.
    - AmyPi 2014 (RIP)

    Anti-vaxxers, responsible for a 30 percent uptick in totally preventable diseases in the world, have blood on their hands. They shouldn't be considered civilized members of society. If they refuse to listen to a century of scientific studies confirming time and time again that vaccination is an unquestionable good for humanity, then it's time for us to start treating anti-vaxxers as what they are: dangerous and worthy of shame and condemnation. If we can't convince anti-vaxxers to change their minds, we must attach enough social stigma to the delusion that agnostics cease to join them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I wil post this a thousand times if I have to because I am correct. Not a single sanction is against Venezuela.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6742625

    EVERY SINGLE SANCTION IS AGAINST A CORRUPT SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WHO IS LOOTING THE COFFERS AND ATTEMPTING TO OFF-SHORE ASSETS IN THE USA
    Read past the titles. Those executive orders specifically target a the government of Venezuela, the economy in general, and the oil and gas companies, and any business owned, run or partially owned or directed byt eh government.

    Executive Oder 13835 -

    "Prohibiting Certain Additional Transactions With Respect to Venezuela ... hereby order as follows: Section 1. (a) All transactions related to, provision of financing for, and other dealings in the following by a United States person or within the United States are prohibitedi) the purchase of any debt owed to the Government of Venezuela, including accounts receivable;(ii) any debt owed to the Government of Venezuela that is pledged as collateral after the effective date of this order, including accounts receivable; and(iii) the sale, transfer, assignment, or pledging as collateral by the Government of Venezuela of any equity interest in any entity in which the Government of Venezuela has a 50 percent or greater ownership interest. ...

    Or Executive Order 13808 -

    "Imposing Additional Sanctions With Respect to the Situation in Venezuela ... hereby order as follows: Section 1. (a) All transactions related to, provision of financing for, and other dealings in the following by a United States person or within the United States are prohibited i) new debt with a maturity of greater than 90 days of Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PdVSA);(ii) new debt with a maturity of greater than 30 days, or new equity, of the Government of Venezuela, other than debt of PdVSA covered by subsection (a)(i) of this section;(iii) bonds issued by the Government of Venezuela prior to the effective date of this order; or(iv) dividend payments or other distributions of profits to the Government of Venezuela from any entity owned or controlled, directly or indirectly, by the Government of Venezuela.(b) The purchase, directly or indirectly, by a United States person or within the United States, of securities from the Government of Venezuela, other than securities qualifying as new debt with a maturity of less than or equal to 90 or 30 days as covered by subsections (a)(i) or (a)(ii) of this section, respectively, is prohibited...."

    Or Executive Order 13827 -

    "Taking Additional Steps to Address the Situation in Venezuela... hereby order as follows: Section 1. (a) All transactions related to, provision of financing for, and other dealings in, by a United States person or within the United States, any digital currency, digital coin, or digital token, that was issued by ,for, or on behalf of the Government of Venezuela … .(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section apply … notwithstanding any contract entered ..."

    Or Executive Order 13850 …
    … hereby order as follows:
    Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State:
    (i) to operate in the gold sector of the Venezuelan economy or in any other sector of the Venezuelan economy as may be determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State;
    (ii) to be responsible for or complicit in, or to have directly or indirectly engaged in, any transaction or series of transactions involving deceptive practices or corruption and the Government of Venezuela or projects or programs administered by the Government of Venezuela …
    Sec. 4. The prohibitions in section 1 of this order include:
    (a) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; and (b) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.
    Sec. 5. (a) Any transaction that evades or avoids, has the purpose of evading or avoiding, causes a violation of, or attempts to violate any of the prohibitions set forth in this order is prohibited. …
    Sec. 6. For the purposes of this order: …
    (d) the term “Government of Venezuela” means the Government of Venezuela, any political subdivision, agency, or instrumentality thereof, including the Central Bank of Venezuela, and any person owned or controlled by, or acting for or on behalf of, the Government of Venezuela.
    Sec. 8. The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, is hereby authorized to take such actions, including promulgating rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the President by IEEPA as may be necessary to implement this order. The Secretary of the Treasury may, consistent with applicable law, redelegate any of these functions …
    Sec. 9. The Secretary of State is hereby authorized to take such actions, including the promulgation of rules and regulations, and to employ all powers granted … to carry out section 2 of this order and the relevant provisions of section 5 …
    Last edited by AZJoe; 01-28-2019 at 09:34 PM.
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    Ron Paul's genius. -

    US thus openly backs regime change. But what has long been a dream of the neocons may well turn out to be a nightmare for President Trump.

    Why did Trump declare that the Venezuelan president was no longer the president? According to the State Department, the Administration was acting to help enforce the Venezuelan constitution. If only they were so eager to enforce our own Constitution!

    It’s ironic that a president who has spent the first two years in office fighting charges that a foreign country meddled in the US elections would turn around and not only meddle in foreign elections but actually demand the right to name a foreign country’s president! How would we react if the Chinese and Russians decided that President Trump was not upholding the US Constitution and recognized Speaker Nancy Pelosi as US president instead?

    Even those who would like to see a change of government in Venezuela should reject any notion that the change must be “helped” by the United States. … Mike Pence was so involved in internal Venezuelan affairs that he actually urged Guaido to name himself president and promised US support. This is not only foolish, it is very dangerous. …

    Regime change has long been US policy for Venezuela. The US has been conducting economic warfare practically since Maduro’s predecessor, Hugo Chavez, was first elected in 1998. The goal of US sanctions and other economic measures against Venezuela (and other countries in Washington’s crosshairs) is to make life so miserable for average citizens that they rise up and overthrow their leaders. …

    It is tragically comical that President Trump has named convicted criminal Elliot Abrams as his point person to “restore democracy” in Venezuela. Abrams played a key role in the Iran-Contra affair … one of the chief architects of the disastrous US invasion of Iraq … His role in helping promote the horrible violence in Latin America …

    Instead of this ham-fisted coup d’etat, a better policy for Venezuela these past 20 years would have been engagement and trade. If we truly believe in the superiority of a free market system we must also believe that we can only lead by example, not by forcing our system on others.

    Just four months ago President Trump said at the UN: “I honor the right of every nation in this room to pursue its own customs, beliefs, and traditions. The United States will not tell you how to live or work or worship. We only ask that you honor our sovereignty in return.” … these were merely empty words. … leave Venezuela alone!
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
    "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne "Freedom is the answer. ... Now, what's the question?" - Ernie Hancock.

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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Thumbs down

    "5,000 Troops To Colombia" To Quell Venezuela Crisis? John Bolton Flashes Notepad Contents At Briefing

    During a Monday White House press briefing national security adviser John Bolton was photographed carrying a notepad presumably as he was fresh out of a national security meeting and one of the things which appears to be handwritten on the pad is "5,000 troops to Colombia".

    The contents of the notepad were spotted almost immediately by multiple journalists online after an NBC news release featuring the AP photo was published. More precisely the full contents appear to read:

    "Afghanistan -> Welcome the Talks. 5,000 troops to Colombia."



    Bolton during the White House presser revealed that President Trump is "leaving open the possibility of a U.S. military intervention to protect opposition leader Juan Guaidó, members of the nation's assembly and American diplomatic personnel," according to NBC.

    "The president has made it clear that all options are on the table," Bolton told reporters while holding the yellow notepad. "We also today call on the Venezuelan military and security forces to accept the peaceful, democratic and constitutional transfer of power," Bolton said.

    But could, as the notepad suggests, this involve plans to send 5,000 American troops to neighboring Columbia, a close US ally in Latin America?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...tepad-contents
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    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post


    John Bolton: "What's a mega.....pixel??"
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    John Bolton: "What's a mega.....pixel??"
    Bolty's tie is interesting, flying elephants, long neck geese, and porcupines. Ya figure he's a neo-libertarian?
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    You only show up to attack Trump when he is wrong
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    President Bolton reveals a motive for latest regime change fiasco - We're taking Venezuela's oil.

    Last edited by AZJoe; 01-29-2019 at 02:08 PM.
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    This belongs here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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  30. #26
    Colombia is downplaying Monday's incident in which US national security advisor John Bolton perhaps inadvertently flashed the contents a yellow notepad he was holding during a White House press briefing to reveal handwritten text “5,000 troops to Colombia,” which was picked up by photographers. The words were seen scribbled behind “Afghanistan – welcome the talks” in apparent notes made while previously discussing White House foreign policy and national security.

    Colombian Foreign Minister Carlos Holmes dismissed the possibility of any impending joint action with its close ally the US, saying in a brief address late Monday that he does not know the "importance and reason" for Bolton's note. Holmes further said noting that his country will only act “politically and diplomatically” to restore order in neighboring Venezuela and will attempt to ensure new elections are held.

    Concerning Bolton's "leaked" notepad contents, there remains the possibility that having clearly written words on a mostly blank pad indicating that disengagement from Afghanistan equals ramping up engagement and intervention in South America is actually intentional signalling to both enemies and allies alike. It could have been a ploy to let Maduro know the White House means business and he better step aside and announce new elections "within eight days" according to prior EU demands.
    When asked following the briefing by eagle-eyed reporters who caught a glimpse of the notepad's contents about the "5,000 troops to Colombia" memo, the White House spokesperson responded, "As the President has said, all options are on the table."
    At this point, I’m thinking he did this on purpose. https://t.co/YA2jA0XBZl
    — Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) January 28, 2019
    During Monday's comments, Bolton confirmed that President Trump is "leaving open the possibility of a U.S. military intervention to protect opposition leader Juan Guaidó, members of the nation's assembly and American diplomatic personnel," according to NBC.
    "The president has made it clear that all options are on the table," Bolton told reporters while holding the yellow notepad. "We also today call on the Venezuelan military and security forces to accept the peaceful, democratic and constitutional transfer of power," Bolton said.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-colombia-note
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  31. #27

    Thumbs down Regime Change destabilization - Trump's asses

    Making of Juan Guaidó: How the US Regime Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader

    Juan Guaidó is the product of a decade-long project overseen by Washington’s elite regime change trainers. While posing as a champion of democracy, he has spent years at the forefront of a violent campaign of destabilization.

    Before the fateful day of January 22, fewer than one in five Venezuelans had heard of Juan Guaidó. Only a few months ago, the 35-year-old was an obscure character in a politically marginal far-right group closely associated with gruesome acts of street violence. Even in his own party, Guaidó had been a mid-level figure in the opposition-dominated National Assembly, which is now held under contempt according to Venezuela’s constitution.

    But after a single phone call from from US Vice President Mike Pence, Guaidó proclaimed himself as president of Venezuela. Anointed as the leader of his country by Washington, a previously unknown political bottom dweller was vaulted onto the international stage as the US-selected leader of the nation with the world’s largest oil reserves.

    Echoing the Washington consensus, the New York Times editorial board hailed Guaidó as a “credible rival” to Maduro with a “refreshing style and vision of taking the country forward.” The Bloomberg News editorial board applauded him for seeking “restoration of democracy” and the Wall Street Journal declared him “a new democratic leader.” Meanwhile, Canada, numerous European nations, Israel, and the bloc of right-wing Latin American governments known as the Lima Group recognized Guaidó as the legitimate leader of Venezuela.

    While Guaidó seemed to have materialized out of nowhere, he was, in fact, the product of more than a decade of assiduous grooming by the US government’s elite regime change factories. Alongside a cadre of right-wing student activists, Guaidó was cultivated to undermine Venezuela’s socialist-oriented government, destabilize the country, and one day seize power. Though he has been a minor figure in Venezuelan politics, he had spent years quietly demonstrated his worthiness in Washington’s halls of power.

    “Juan Guaidó is a character that has been created for this circumstance,” Marco Teruggi, an Argentinian sociologist and leading chronicler of Venezuelan politics, told the Grayzone. “It’s the logic of a laboratory – Guaidó is like a mixture of several elements that create a character who, in all honesty, oscillates between laughable and worrying.”

    Diego Sequera, a Venezuelan journalist and writer for the investigative outlet, Mision Verdad, agreed: “Guaidó is more popular outside Venezuela than inside, especially in the elite Ivy League and Washington circles,” Sequera remarked to the Grayzone, “He’s a known character there, is predictably right-wing, and is considered loyal to the program.”

    [......]

    Training from the “‘export-a-revolution’ group that sowed the seeds for a NUMBER of color revolutions”

    On October 5, 2005, with Chavez’s popularity at its peak and his government planning sweeping socialist programs, five Venezuelan “student leaders” arrived in Belgrade, Serbia to begin training for an insurrection.

    The students had arrived from Venezuela courtesy of the Center for Applied Non-Violent Action and Strategies, or CANVAS. This group is funded largely through the National Endowment for Democracy, a CIA cut-out that functions as the US government’s main arm of promoting regime change; and offshoots like the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs. According to leaked internal emails from Stratfor, an intelligence firm known as the “shadow CIA,” “[CANVAS] may have also received CIA funding and training during the 1999/2000 anti-Milosevic struggle.”

    CANVAS is a spinoff of Otpor, a Serbian protest group founded by Srdja Popovic in 1998 at the University of Belgrade. Otpor, which means “resistance” in Serbian, was the student group that gained international fame – and Hollywood-level promotion – by mobilizing the protests that eventually toppled Slobodan Milosevic. This small cell of regime change specialists was operating according to the theories of the late Gene Sharp, the so-called “Clausewitz of non-violent struggle.” Sharp had worked with a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst, Col. Robert Helvey, to conceive a strategic blueprint that weaponized protest as a form of hybrid warfare, aiming it at states that resisted Washington’s unipolar domination.

    Otpor was supported by the National Endowment for Democracy, USAID and Sharp’s Albert Einstein Institute. Sinisa Sikman, one of Otpor’s main trainers, once said the group even received direct CIA funding. According to a leaked email from a Stratfor staffer, after running Milosevic out of power, “the kids who ran OTPOR grew up, got suits and designed CANVAS… or in other words a ;export-a-revolution’ group that sowed the seeds for a NUMBER of color revolutions. They are still hooked into U.S. funding and basically go around the world trying to topple dictators and autocratic governments (ones that U.S. does not like .”

    Stratfor revealed that CANVAS “turned its attention to Venezuela” in 2005 after training opposition movements that led pro-NATO regime change operations across Eastern Europe.

    While monitoring the CANVAS training program, Stratfor outlined its insurrectionist agenda in strikingly blunt language: “Success is by no means guaranteed, and student movements are only at the beginning of what could be a years-long effort to trigger a revolution in Venezuela, but the trainers themselves are the people who cut their teeth on the ‘Butcher of the Balkans.’ť They’ve got mad skills. When you see students at five Venezuelan universities hold simultaneous demonstrations, you will know that the training is over and the real work has begun.”

    Birthing the “Generation 2007” regime change cadre


    [.....]

    While video of the protest is not available, many Venezuelans have identified Guaidó as one of its key participants. While the allegation is unconfirmed, it is certainly plausible; the bare-buttocks protesters were members of the Generation 2007 inner core that Guaidó belonged to, and were clad in their trademark Resistencia! Venezuela t-shirts, as seen below:



    Is this the ass that Trump wants to install in Venezuela’s seat of power?

    https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/01/29/the-making-of-juan-guaido-how-the-us-regime-change-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader/
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    [...] John Bolton perhaps inadvertently flashed the contents a yellow notepad [...]
    Perhaps? Yeah, but no.

    "Inadvertently", my ass ...


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    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Perhaps? Yeah, but no.

    "Inadvertently", my ass ...
    That's the way I see it too.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  34. #30
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