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  1. #151
    Anger grows at civilian deaths by US, Afghan forces

    By: Kathy Gannon, The Associated Press   6 hours ago

    In this Tuesday, Oct. 1, 2019, photo, Aziz Rahman, second, right, a village elder, who had contracted the farmers to harvest the pine nuts, speaks during an interview to the Associated Press in Jalalabad city east of Kabul, Afghanistan. (Rahmat Gul/AP)

    JALALABAD, Afghanistan — The workers were sleeping on the mountainside where they had spent a long day harvesting pine nuts in eastern Afghanistan. Some were in tents, others lay outside under the stars, when the U.S. airstrike tore into them.

    Only hours before the Sept. 19 strike, the businessman who hired them had heard there was a drone over the mountain and called Afghanistan’s intelligence agency to remind an official his workers were there — as he’d notified the agency days earlier.

    “He laughed and said, ‘Don’t worry they are not going to bomb you,’” the businessman, Aziz Rahman, recalled.

    Twenty workers were killed in the strike, including seven members of one family. A relative, Mohammed Hasan, angrily described body parts they found scattered on the ground, gesturing at his arm, his leg, his head.

    “This is not their (Americans') first mistake,” said Hasan. “They say ‘sorry’. What are we supposed to do with ‘sorry?’ ... People now are angry. They are so angry with the foreigners, with this government.”

    More civilians have died by Afghan forces, allies than by militants in Afghanistan in the first half of 2019, UN says

    More civilians were killed by Afghan and international coalition forces in Afghanistan in the first half of this year than by the Taliban and other militants, the U.N. mission said in a report released Tuesday.
    By: Rahim Faiez, The Associated Press

    Increasing civilian deaths in stepped-up U.S. airstrikes and operations by Afghan forces highlight the conundrum the U.S. military and its Afghan allies face, 18 years into the war: How to hunt down their Islamic State group and Taliban enemies, while keeping civilians safe and on their side.

    Complaints have also grown over abuses and killings by a CIA-trained Afghan special intelligence force known as Unit 02. In the same province, Nangarhar, members of the unit killed four brothers during a raid on their home. The brothers’ hands were bound and they were shot in the head.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/flashp...afghan-forces/



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  3. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Hopes are rising for the resumption of the abandoned Taliban and US peace talks after eleven senior Taliban members were freed from prison in an exchange with three kidnapped Indian engineers.
    Among those freed are two former provincial governors of the Taliban and Abdul Rashid Baluch, a notorious regional leader sentenced to 18 years imprisonment for trafficking opium.
    The men were being held near Bagram air base outside Kabul.
    It is believed American authorities must have given permission for the swap as Baluch was previously on their ‘Specially Designated Global Terrorist’ list.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/taliban-comma...183435755.html
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  5. #153
    Suhail Shaheen, the spokesman of the Taliban political office in Qatar, tweeted about Trump's speech at a rally in Minneapolis, just a few hours after the event, welcoming the U.S. president's call to bring American troops home from Afghanistan.
    Shaheen said early on Friday that "Trump once again promised to withdraw forces from Afghanistan" and added that this "means that ending the occupation of Afghanistan is the American people's choice. "

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/taliban-welco...123335798.html
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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  6. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "Trump once again promised to withdraw forces from Afghanistan"
    Trump again promises..

    and again
    and on and so forth...8 months to go,, not like there is any rush.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  7. #155
    U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper has made an unannounced trip to Afghanistan amid efforts to restart peace talks with the Taliban.
    "The aim is to still get a peace agreement at some point, a political agreement, that is the best way forward," Esper told reporters traveling with him Sunday.

    More at: https://www.voanews.com/south-centra...it-afghanistan
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  8. #156
    Lot of sanitized war propaganada here, surprised why this was not posted here already. We might see a MAGA tweet on this soon.

    Where does 18 months deadline comes from, 2020 election timing?



    At least 62 people dead in blast at Afghanistan mosque

    The explosion took place as dozens of people gathered inside the mosque for weekly Friday prayers.



    A volunteer carries an injured youth to a hospital following a blast during weekly Friday prayers in a mosque in Afghanistan.Noorullah Shirzada / AFP - Getty Images
    Oct. 18, 2019, 10:19 AM EDT
    By Ahmed Mengli and Associated Press
    KABUL, Afghanistan — At least 62 people were killed and dozens more were injured in a blast during weekly prayers Friday at a mosque in eastern Afghanistan.
    A local government spokesperson confirmed the death toll to NBC News. Attaullah Khogyani, spokesman for Nangarhar province's governor, said at least 33 people were wounded in the explosion.

    The blast took place as dozens of people gathered inside the mosque for the Friday prayers.
    There was no immediate claim of responsibility.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/l...osque-n1068636


    More civilians have died by Afghan forces, allies than by militants in Afghanistan in the first half of 2019, UN says

  9. #157
    U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper arrived in Afghanistan on Sunday in a bid to bring talks with the Taliban back on track after President Donald Trump abruptly broke off negotiations last month seeking to end the United States' longest war.

    "The aim is to still get a peace agreement at some point, a political agreement. That is the best way forward," Esper told reporters traveling with him to Afghanistan. He is due to meet President Ashraf Ghani and U.S. troops while in Afghanistan.
    "I hope we can move forward and come up with a political agreement that meets our ends and meets the goals we want to achieve," Esper said, adding that talks were in the State Department’s domain.
    He added that the United States could go down to about 8,600 troops, from the current 14,000, without affecting counter-terrorism operations, if needed.

    One U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that after Trump's sudden announcement that the United States would withdraw all its troops from northern Syria last week, there was more of a realization that Trump was serious about withdrawing from Afghanistan as well.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-chie...113822496.html
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  10. #158
    The United States has pulled out 2,000 troops from Afghanistan over the past year, leaving just over 12,000 in the country, according to the top U.S. and NATO commander in Afghanistan, The Washington Post reported Oct. 21.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...commander-says
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  11. #159
    Zalmay Khalilzad, the U.S. special representative for Afghanistan, is visiting Moscow for talks with Russian, Chinese and Pakistani officials to discuss reviving the Afghan peace process after U.S. President Donald Trump called off talks with the Taliban in September, The Express Tribune reported Oct. 23.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/situa...-peace-process
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  12. #160
    The US used to be a moral peaceful free country with a balanced budget, but today it is a bankrupt immoral warmongering police state.


    All the rules have changed.


    You might get arrested for loitering, but just stand on any street corner and watch how many drivers use mobile phones while driving, have tinted windows, have unbuckled seatbelts, litter, speed, run redlights, and eat to see the decline.


    Since everything is illegal, no cares about breaking the law because even existing is a crime now.


    You can blame blacks and illegal immigrants for lawbreaking, but white people break the law, too.


    Why obey the law if the government doesn't?


    Good men don't need laws.


    Bad men won't obey laws.



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  14. #161
    Why wait 18 months?






    18 months gives too much time to people like Sen. Lindsey Graham, Joe Liebeman, experts with maps and miniskirt photos to try and convince MAGA to flip-flop again and end up reinforcing media's 'always folds/FLAT' narrative.

    Is true that Iraq war champ Lindsey Graham , who recently caused reversal on Syria troops withdrawal, was also behind MAGA reversal on Afghanistan?

    After criticism from Lindsey Graham, Trump says U.S. will keep military in Afghanistan
    washingtonpost
    Aug 29, 2019


    Iraq war champion Lindsey Graham and Foxnews expert showed Trump map of Syrian oil fields to change his mind on troops withdrawal

    This Photo of Afghan Women in Miniskirts Helped Convince Trump to Send More Troops to Afghanitstan
    Afghanistan in 1970s before US funded Afghan Jihadi radicalization intervention





    Hopefully next time steadfast leadership will prevail and flip-flop influencers would not succeed in continuing failed policy. When that happens, will troops come home or would be just rotated to Saudi/Israel/mideast region (Trump has deployed 14,000 additional troops to the Middle East since May2019) ?

    Few hundred troops that were 'withdrawn' from Syria did not come home but were sent to Iraq to fight resurging ISIS there (latest reports suggest some of them would be going back to Syria with more weapons and tanks).

    What if ISIS surged in Afghanistan, would any withdrawn troops be sent back to fight it or withdrawal will be postponed again to 'fight suddenly surging ISIS in Afghanistan' in 2019?
    Enquiring minds should be raising these questions with MAGA think tanks.


    Return of ISIS: Taliban fight ‘join ISIS in droves’ - ‘US is concerned’

    ISIS is once again on the rise, with the terror group now boasting as many as 14,000 fighters in Afghanistan alone.

    By Emily Ferguson
    PUBLISHED: Tue, Sep 17, 2019

    ISIS 'developing' with new caliphate claims expert

    The Afghan branch of ISIS, known as Islamic State Khorasan (IS-K), is gaining ground as Taliban hardliners angry about peace negotiations with the US have “joined ISIS in droves”, according to experts. IS-K, formed in 2014 and known for its ruthless violence and gory propaganda videos on social media, is believed to be responsible for a surge in violence of ISIS violence this year. The attacks have raised fears of an ISIS resurgence even though the group was defeated in its Iraqi and Syrian heartlands earlier this year.


    CENTCOM chief warns 'very worrisome' ISIS presence in

    June 14, 2019
    A senior U.S. general says that ISIS remains a "very worrisome" presence in Afghanistan, but it is unlikely to mount an attack on the U.S. homeland because it is under strong military pressure.
    Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, who heads the U.S. Central Command, on June 12 told reporters the extremist group "in Afghanistan certainly has aspirations to attack the United States."
    "It is our clear judgment that as long as we maintain pressure on them it will be hard for them to do that," he said.


    ET Bureau's irresponsible reporting on US military 'promoting ISIS in Afghanistan'

    US military allegedly promoting ISIS in Afghanistan

    There are allegations that weapons are often transferred to the territory of Afghanistan by helicopters without identifying insignia.

    ET Bureau
    Apr 22, 2019

    The US military is allegedly allowing members of the ISIS, which have suffered serious defeats in Syria and neighboring Iraq, to infiltrate Afghanistan even as US is engaged with peace talks with Taliban for sake of stability in the landlocked country.

    There are allegations that weapons are often transferred to the territory of Afghanistan by helicopters without identifying insignia. With the US and NATO fully controlling the skies over Afghanistan, there is every reason to believe they had a hand in that, or at least, did not hamper these flights, sources alleged.

    In early April security officials in Afghanistan arrested a group of six media activists of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) from Kabul. Detained individuals were involved in pro-ISIS activities in social media networks, mainly spreading propagandas in Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Telegram.
    Afghan officials arrested 10 other ISIS facilitators during a separate operation in Nangarhar province. 12,500 kilograms of explosives were seized during the same operation. Afghan Special Forces, ISIS and the Taliban are preparing for a three-way battle in eastern Afghanistan. ISIS started an offensive against the Taliban few weeks ago in Kunar province - a fight that has displaced more than 20,000 people.
    USA and Brussels, however, deny any such role. USA said that the Islamic State terror group is losing its grip on parts of Afghanistan, slowly succumbing to pressure from U.S. and Afghan forces

    Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai had once told al-Jazeera television news network that the US is colluding with Daesh in Afghanistan, and allowing the Takfiris to flourish in his conflict-stricken country.

  15. #162
    As the United States searches for an exit from Afghanistan, its outreach to China and Russia points to its rivals' growing influence in shaping the endgame to its longest-ever conflict. On Oct. 25, U.S. envoy Zalmay Khalilzad visited Moscow to discuss reviving the Afghan peace process with Russian, Chinese and Pakistani officials. China is also expected to host Taliban and Afghan government officials for talks next month.

    More at: https://worldview.stratfor.com/artic...out-its-rivals
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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