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    Shocking Admission By FBI Veteran Shows Why The FBI Shouldn’t Exist

    Shocking Admission By FBI Veteran Shows Why The FBI Shouldn’t Exist

    On the 18th of November, 1964, the FBI’s appallingly corrupt boss J. Edgar Hoover denounced Martin Luther King Jr. as “the most notorious liar in the country.” A few days later, a Hoover deputy named William Sullivan wrote King a letter posing as a disillusioned follower and using powerful, manipulative language to urge the civil rights leader to commit suicide before evidence of his extramarital affair became public. Enclosed was an FBI recording containing evidence of the affair.

    Whenever America celebrates Martin Luther King Jr. Day we should remind ourselves that it is a known, undisputed fact that the Federal Bureau of Investigation engineered a psyop to manipulate one of the world’s greatest minds into committing suicide. It is also worth reviewing the compelling argument for the case that the FBI was behind King’s assassination as well.

    Hoover, who headed the FBI for decades, obsessively despised King on a deeply personal level. He kept files on the civil rights leader in which he’d scribble hateful comments on memos he received about King, apparently for no purpose other than his own gratification and catharsis. On a memo about King receiving the St. Francis peace medal from the Catholic Church, he wrote “This is disgusting.” On the news of King’s meeting with the pope, he scribbled, “I am amazed that the Pope gave an audience to such a degenerate.”

    FBI headquarters still wears the name of this childish pig, a brazen admission by the Bureau that it remains very much the same institution which tried to end Martin Luther King Jr.’s life, the same institution which assassinated Black Panthers leader Fred Hampton, the same institution which for years ran the unconstitutional COINTELPRO campaign to infiltrate and sabotage dissident political groups, and which has continued to infiltrate dissident political groups, including Black civil rights groups, to this very day.

    We received yet another reminder of the FBI’s true face the other day in an interview with its former Deputy Assistant Director Terry Turchie on Fox’s Tucker Carlson Tonight. In a passing tangent largely unrelated to the rest of the interview, Turchie made the following shocking statement in relation to the ongoing Russiagate saga:

    “And I think we can expect more of this, because quite honestly the electorate in some places is putting more and more progressives and self-described socialists in positions. And ironically, years ago, when I first got into the FBI, one of the missions of the FBI in its counterintelligence efforts was to try and keep these people out of government. Why? Because we would end up with massive dysfunction and massive disinformation and massive misinformation, and it seems to me that’s where we’re at today.”

    Wow.

    According to his LinkedIn profile, Turchie joined the FBI in July of 1972. COINTELPRO, the program in which leftist groups were actively infiltrated and undermined, officially ended in 1971, and Hoover had died in May of 1972. This was after “Hoover’s FBI” stopped being Hoover’s FBI, yet a “counterintelligence effort” was still very much alive and thriving to undermine the will of the electorate and prevent them from electing leftists to office.

    This one admission, by itself, is in my opinion more than enough to justify the FBI’s total dissolution. Leaving aside any of their other malfeasance that I mentioned earlier, leaving aside the rest of their other documented malfeasance that I haven’t mentioned, this one admission by Turchie shows clearly that America’s secret police should cease to exist.

    Think about it. How can anyone justify the FBI’s continued existence after such an admission? There is an extremely powerful branch of the US government which is known to have been actively undermining the democratic will of the electorate through covert means. Even if you very trustingly subscribe to the belief that the FBI no longer engages in any such practices to any extent (and that would be extremely naive), how can you justify keeping it in power knowing that it did? Where precisely in the FBI’s history is a clear, clean, unequivocal break from what it was doing then declared, documented and evidenced? For what reason was it not razed to the ground decades ago and any of its actual necessary functions transferred elsewhere?

    Imagine if the Ku Klux Klan had successfully cleaned up its image in the ’90s or something. Now you’re seeing members of the KKK interviewed on CNN and MSNBC as respectable members of society, holding powerful political positions, treated like heroes, all under the same banner it held when it was lynching people of color a few decades prior. Would that not seem weird? Would you not say something like “Wait, why are we keeping that organization around? At best they’re probably just putting a nicer face on their previous toxic agendas, especially since any good intentions existing within it could simply be taken somewhere with a less horrific history.”

    The only reason the FBI is being treated any differently is because it’s got such good PR, namely the entire political/media class.

    Journalist Mark Ames documents a short-lived push by the Carter administration to “transform the FBI from an extralegal secret police agency to something legal and defined.” This feeble proposition to give the Bureau an actual charter to clearly define what it is, what it does, and where the confines of its operations are was the closest America ever came to putting any kind of limitations on the powers of its secret police force, and by the time Reagan rolled around it was long forgotten.

    And now you’ve got this same evil institution essentially criminalizing the act of the executive branch pursuing good relations with a nuclear superpower, launching a secret counterintelligence investigation into whether a sitting president is a national security threat for his Russia policy. This cannot be leading anywhere good.

    The FBI has too much power and far too unforgivable a history to be permitted to control the reigns of the nation with the most powerful military force in the history of civilization. Get rid of it and move in a healthy direction.
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    “And I think we can expect more of this, because quite honestly the electorate in some places is putting more and more progressives and self-described socialists in positions. And ironically, years ago, when I first got into the FBI, one of the missions of the FBI in its counterintelligence efforts was to try and keep these people out of government. Why? Because we would end up with massive dysfunction and massive disinformation and massive misinformation, and it seems to me that’s where we’re at today.”
    LOL

    The establishment ARE progressives, they created the movement and they have ensured its success.

    This is propaganda, it may contain some truth but it is still propaganda.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    LOL

    The establishment ARE progressives, they created the movement and they have ensured its success.

    This is propaganda, it may contain some truth but it is still propaganda.
    The truth is, he's talking about a time long before you were born, when the media was not yet monolithic and the E.D. had not yet taken over all the nation's schools because it was not yet a gleam in Jimmy Carter's eye.

    The truth is Grant and James Blaine and S.C. Pomeroy did not create Karl Marx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    The truth is, he's talking about a time long before you were born, when the media was not yet monolithic and the E.D. had not yet taken over all the nation's schools because it was not yet a gleam in Jimmy Carter's eye.

    The truth is Grant and James Blaine and S.C. Pomeroy did not create Karl Marx.
    The progressives go back a long way and they are the establishment that the FBI serves and was created to serve.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The progressives go back a long way and they are the establishment that the FBI serves and was created to serve.
    Theodore Roosevelt created the FBI, probably to spy on Democrats for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Theodore Roosevelt created the FBI, probably to spy on Democrats for him.
    And he was a Progressive.
    The Bull Moose party was socialist.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And he was a Progressive.
    The Bull Moose party was socialist.
    I didn't say he wasn't. He was a total RINO. He was the original neocon.

    But he still created the FBI to spy on Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I didn't say he wasn't. He was a total RINO. He was the original neocon.

    But he still created the FBI to spy on Democrats.
    Who were the conservative party at the time. (relatively speaking)

    My point is that the claim that the FBI was ever opposed to progressives is nonsense, the article is trying to mislead you about that and may be trying to mislead you about other things as well.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Who were the conservative party at the time. (relatively speaking)
    So, that's why Wilson nationalized the railroads and other industries, nearly destroying the nation, and Harding and Coolidge undid the damage, guided us to the most libertarian era of the twentieth century, and created the Roaring Twenties?

    And my point is you're trying to recreate the past in your image of the present. And any genuine hippie could tell you the FBI was once chock full of guys who'd rather bust a prog's head open than look at him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So, that's why Wilson nationalized the railroads and other industries, nearly destroying the nation, and Harding and Coolidge undid the damage, guided us to the most libertarian era of the twentieth century, and created the Roaring Twenties?
    There were progressives in both parties and conservatives in both parties at the time, it was right in the middle of the slow motion position swap that started after the War of Northern conquest and is still slowly playing out now but at the time of Teddy the Democrats were the conservative party by a slight margin.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    No. But thanks for playing.

    Would it help you to look at which party held both sides of the Congress and the White House during the very unlucky year of 1913? Would it help you to learn about Calvin Coolidge? Would it help if you understood that in the 19th century, 'progressive' was mainly used as a code for 'not racist'?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 01-23-2019 at 10:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    No. But thanks for playing.
    Are you claiming that the Republican party wasn't marxist when it began?
    Are you claiming that the Democrat party was never conservative?

    Because both of those can be proven.

    During the transition they both had conservatives and liberals and there REALLY wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the two, the victory or defeat of different wings of each party made a lot bigger difference than which party won.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    What I'm saying is your timeline is nearly thirty years off. Grant had more to do with that than transition than Taft. Even that trust-busting neocon Teddy had nothing on pinko fruitcakes like Eddie House.

    That and you clearly have no idea what the FBI was fifty years ago.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 01-23-2019 at 10:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That and you clearly have no idea what the FBI was fifty years ago.
    It was a tool of the progressive establishment, anything it did that seemed to belie that was kabuki theater.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It was a tool of the progressive establishment, anything it did that seemed to belie that was kabuki theater.
    And progs were anti-war even when Democrats were president. Therefore, the FBI was anti-prog. It may have been pro-fascist. But it was anti-prog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The progressives go back a long way and they are the establishment that the FBI serves and was created to serve.

    Conspiracy
    review...

    If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead it becomes the logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism, or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite.
    - Gary Allen

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    'When you start getting into Fractals and Chaos Theory, when you look at it in the terms of a SOCIETY, this is where it starts to cross over into so-called Illuminati or the negative elite, the world leaders, with their philosophy of Order Out of Chaos, there is some truth to that, in the sense that when the system becomes highly destabilized, there will be random shifts that suddenly self organize into "higher complexities."'

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    And progs were anti-war even when Democrats were president. Therefore, the FBI was anti-prog. It may have been pro-fascist. But it was anti-prog.
    Progs were only anti-war because the wars were against communists and the establishment was really pro-communist so the FBI only pretended to be anti-prog and anti-communist.

    They put on the "bad guy" "fascist" "black hats" and persecuted hippies so that the hippies would think they were being rebellious and anti-establishment while playing right into the hands of the establishment.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post

    Conspiracy
    review...

    If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth program, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead it becomes the logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism, or more accurately, socialism, is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite.
    - Gary Allen

    ==================

    'When you start getting into Fractals and Chaos Theory, when you look at it in the terms of a SOCIETY, this is where it starts to cross over into so-called Illuminati or the negative elite, the world leaders, with their philosophy of Order Out of Chaos, there is some truth to that, in the sense that when the system becomes highly destabilized, there will be random shifts that suddenly self organize into "higher complexities."'

    ==================




    Please note that McDonald was a CONSERVATIVE Democrat.
    The position swap took a lot longer than some people think.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Does your foot taste better when you get it deeper in your mouth?

    The fact that you say the Establishment was fighting the commies because they were pro-commie only proves your view of history is simplistic to the point if being childish. And your view of rank and file FBI agents as something more than useful idiots belies your reverent faith in all things government.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 01-23-2019 at 10:54 PM.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Progs were only anti-war because the wars were against communists and the establishment was really pro-communist so the FBI only pretended to be anti-prog and anti-communist.

    They put on the "bad guy" "fascist" "black hats" and persecuted hippies so that the hippies would think they were being rebellious and anti-establishment while playing right into the hands of the establishment.
    lmfao, you just make $#@! up as you go along. no brain whatsoever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    lmfao, you just make $#@! up as you go along. no brain whatsoever
    He'll use any spin when his $#@! is proved thin.

    Don't look now, Swordshyll, but Harper Lee was as progressive as just about anyone in 1960, but her Go Set a Watchman reads like a libertarian manifesto today. Which is why you think Democrats could have been more conservative than Republicans. The whole spectrum is off its axis. And pointing to that just makes you look sillier for calling J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, which would have lynched him if they knew about his dress collection, a nest of progs.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 01-23-2019 at 11:04 PM.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Does your foot taste better when you get it deeper in your mouth?

    The fact that you say the Establishment was fighting the commies because they were pro-commie only proves your view of history is simplistic to the point if being childish. And your view of rank and file FBI agents as something more than useful idiots belies your reverent faith in all things government.
    You are the one with a simple mind, the wars against communism were never meant to be won, they were meant to steal our money and make conservatism look bad, they were meant to transform us into an empire and merge us into the global government along with the communists.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    lmfao, you just make $#@! up as you go along. no brain whatsoever
    Watch the McDonald video and learn something for once in your life.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  27. #24
    Oh, they didn't throw Vietnam. They tried to win it. They just failed.

    And the goal was never communism. Fascism has been far, far more profitable for the politicians.

    As for my mind, I prefer it simple, as that means it isn't twisted.
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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oh, they didn't throw Vietnam. They tried to win it. They just failed.

    And the goal was never communism. Fascism has been far, far more profitable for the politicians.

    As for my mind, I prefer it simple, as that means it isn't twisted.
    They did throw Vietnam, just like they threw Korea.
    Communism wasn't the end goal but it was the direction they wanted to take us, Fascism isn't the end goal, Neofeudalism is, the Communists are to be taken towards us and we are to meet in the middle.
    I'm sorry to inform you but the world is complex and twisted.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Watch the McDonald video and learn something for once in your life.
    big ego for a guy who believes all the same things today that he did when he was 12 years old

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    big ego for a guy who believes all the same things today that he did when he was 12 years old
    You are hallucinating perhaps?
    You have no idea what I believed when I was 12.
    I have learned much since then, you seem to have mislearned quite a lot.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are hallucinating perhaps?
    You have no idea what I believed when I was 12.
    I have learned much since then, you seem to have mislearned quite a lot.
    you are a mormon, the most obviously fake religion of all time. If you were capable of any reflection on your beliefs whatsoever, you would have abandoned that ultra-conservative cult a long time ago.

  33. #29
    They didn't throw anything back then and they didn't want the Soviets to win, any more than Macy's wanted Gimble's to win. And the world is twisted, but your understanding of history is hopelessly tangled--as anyone who was there can plainly see.
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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Influenza View Post
    you are a mormon, the most obviously fake religion of all time. If you were capable of any reflection on your beliefs whatsoever, you would have abandoned that ultra-conservative cult a long time ago.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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