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    Venezuela

    Lots happening. Large protests. Juan Guaido- head of the National Assembly- declares himself President. US (and many other countries) recognize him as the new leader. Venezuela breaks off diplomatic relations.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46980913

    Juan Guaidó: US backs opposition leader as Venezuela president


    US President Donald Trump has said he recognises Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó as interim president.

    It came minutes after the 35-year-old declared himself as acting leader in Caracas on Wednesday.

    Tens of thousands of Venezuelans are taking to the streets in protest against President Nicolás Maduro.

    Mr Maduro was sworn in for a second term earlier this month, after a poll considered a sham by much of the international community.

    In response to Mr Trump's recognition of the opposition leader, Mr Maduro gave all US diplomatic staff in Venezuela 72 hours to leave the country.

    Venezuela has been in economic freefall for a number of years under his leadership.

    Hyperinflation and key shortages, including of food, has forced millions out of the country.

    What's the latest?

    Speaking in Caracas, Mr Guaidó told a cheering crowd that the protests would continue "until Venezuela is liberated".

    "I swear to formally assume the national executive powers as acting president," he said, while raising his right hand.

    Footage from Wednesday's protests showed demonstrators facing off against National Guard security forces, tear gas being dispersed and vehicles on fire.

    Mr Guaidó, who is head of the country's National Assembly, has called on the armed forces - who have so far backed Mr Maduro - to disobey the government.

    He has promised to lead a transition government and hold free elections.


    Some counter-demonstrations are also being held in support of Mr Maduro.

    Earlier on Wednesday activist groups said that at least four people, including a 16-year-old, had been killed overnight ahead of the protests.

    What did Mr Trump say?

    In a statement, Mr Trump described Mr Maduro's leadership as "illegitimate" and said the country's congress, led by Mr Guaidó, was the only "legitimate branch of government" in the country.

    "The people of Venezuela have courageously spoken out against Maduro and his regime and demanded freedom and the rule of law," his statement said.

    The statement also said the US would hold Mr Maduro's regime "directly responsible" for any threats to the safety of the Venezuelan people.

    In the announcement, he also urged other nations to follow suit. So far, five South American countries have done so, although Mexico has shown its support for Mr Maduro.

    The Organization of American States (OAS), the pan-Americas organisation in which Venezuela does not participate, has also recognised Mr Guaidó as leader.

    "Our congratulations to @jguaido as acting President of #Venezuela. You have all our recognition to launch the return of democracy to the country," Secretary General Luis Almagro said in a tweet.

    Venezuela withdrew from the organisation, which aims to aid cooperation across the continent, in 2017 - accusing it of meddling in his country's internal affairs.

    Who is Juan Guaidó?
    Mr Guaidó was a relatively unknown figure until he became president of Venezuela's opposition-controlled parliament earlier this month.

    Upon taking up the role, he immediately challenged Mr Maduro's government and said he had a constitutional right to assume the presidency until fresh elections were held.

    He became politically active as a student in Caracas, leading protests against the late socialist leader Hugo Chavez who hand-picked Mr Maduro as his preferred successor.

    Mr Guaidó, who is an industrial engineer by trade, was reportedly offered a job in Mexico after graduating but decided to stay in Venezuela to organise political change.

    His appointment as National Assembly leader has energised Venezuela's opposition, which has been fragmented in recent years.

    Why are people protesting?

    Mr Maduro, who took office in 2013 after the death of Hugo Chavez, has been condemned at home and abroad for alleged human rights abuses and for his handling of the economy.

    There have been widespread reports of shortages of items like medicine and food throughout Venezuela and an estimated three million people have fled the country.

    Mr Maduro's re-election in May 2018 was labelled as illegitimate at home and abroad - amid opposition absences from the ballot and reports of vote-rigging in his favour.

    Wednesday's demonstrations come just two days after 27 National Guard soldiers were reported to have revolted against the government at a guard post in the capital, Caracas.



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    Question Mike Pence, Venezuelan Rebel

    Pence Urges Venezuelans To Rise Up Against 'Dictator' Maduro After Failed Military Revolt





    It appears the White House is ready to stoke the flames of anti-Maduro unrest following Monday's dramatic failed military revolt launched by 27 low-ranking officers and their subsequent arrests in the Cotiza neighborhood of Caracas, which sparked overnight protests and sporadic clashes with police after opposition leader Juan Guaido made a broad appeal to the military in a speech, urging them to demand Maduro step down. Guaido and other opposition leaders in the National Assembly have declared Wednesday a nation-wide protest day seeking to topple the regime — itself a historic date commemorating the end of Venezuela's military dictatorship in 1958.

    On Tuesday US Vice President Mike Pence urged the Venezuelan people to "make your voices heard" in follow-up to Guaido's risky appeal, which appears a continuation of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's comments throwing the United States' full weight behind Venezuela's opposition seeking to depose President Nicolás Maduro, which he made over a week ago while in the Middle East after Maduro was sworn in to a widely contested six-year second term.

    VP Pence's words were issued in a video posted to social media wherein he asserted, “Nicolas Maduro is a dictator with no legitimate claim to to power." The video begins with Pence greeting in Spanish “Hola, I’m Mike Pence” but ending with a somewhat grimmer tone: “Vayan con Dios!” or “Go with God.”
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  5. #4
    Trump has made similar threats against other countries and never followed up.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...nezuela-2019-1

    Trump leaves 'military option' on the table for Venezuela, which he calls as threatening as North Korea

    President Donald Trump spent much of his first year in office focused on North Korea and Iran, seeking to counter the threats his administration believed they posed to the US.

    Alongside those two states was Venezuela, where the government has cracked down on unrest and dissent and conditions made it one of Trump's top three national-security priorities, even as the Pentagon cast the military powers, Russia and China, as the prime threats to the US.

    That was "absolutely" the Trump administration's view of the South American country, said Fernando Cutz, who was a member of the Obama and Trump administration National Security Council staff, in the latter case as South America director and senior adviser to former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster.

    The socialist-led and authoritarian Venezuela has been a foil for Trump to attack from the political right throughout his time in office.
    More at link.

  6. #5
    U.S. Diplomats have 72 hours to leave Venezuela.

    https://www.weau.com/content/news/Ve...504764072.html

    CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president in a defiant speech Wednesday before masses of anti-government demonstrators who took to the streets to demand President Nicolas Maduro's removal — a bold move that was immediately recognized by the Trump administration and a growing number of other Western nations.

    President Donald Trump called on Maduro to resign and said the U.S. would use the "full weight" of its economic and diplomatic power to push for the restoration of Venezuela's democracy. Canada as well as Brazil, Colombia and several other Latin American nations followed suit in throwing their support behind Guaido.

    "The people of Venezuela have courageously spoken out against Maduro and his regime and demanded freedom and the rule of law," Trump said in a statement.

    Maduro responded by swiftly cutting off diplomatic relations with the United States, the biggest importer of Venezuelan oil, and said American diplomats had 72 hours to leave the country.

    "Before the people and nations of the world, and as constitutional president. .... I've decided to break diplomatic and political relations with the imperialist U.S. government," Maduro told a crowd of red-shirted supporters gathered at the presidential palace. "Don't trust the gringos. They don't have friends or loyalties. They only have interests, guts and the ambition to take Venezuela's oil, gas and gold."

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    U.S. Diplomats have 72 hours to leave Venezuela.

    https://www.weau.com/content/news/Ve...504764072.html

    CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president in a defiant speech Wednesday before masses of anti-government demonstrators who took to the streets to demand President Nicolas Maduro's removal — a bold move that was immediately recognized by the Trump administration and a growing number of other Western nations.

    President Donald Trump called on Maduro to resign and said the U.S. would use the "full weight" of its economic and diplomatic power to push for the restoration of Venezuela's democracy. Canada as well as Brazil, Colombia and several other Latin American nations followed suit in throwing their support behind Guaido.

    "The people of Venezuela have courageously spoken out against Maduro and his regime and demanded freedom and the rule of law," Trump said in a statement.

    Maduro responded by swiftly cutting off diplomatic relations with the United States, the biggest importer of Venezuelan oil, and said American diplomats had 72 hours to leave the country.

    "Before the people and nations of the world, and as constitutional president. .... I've decided to break diplomatic and political relations with the imperialist U.S. government," Maduro told a crowd of red-shirted supporters gathered at the presidential palace. "Don't trust the gringos. They don't have friends or loyalties. They only have interests, guts and the ambition to take Venezuela's oil, gas and gold."
    The US has responded to a threat by Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro to expel American diplomats as chaos engulfs the country.
    Mr Maduro had earlier announced he would break diplomatic relations with the US, giving diplomat 72 hours to leave the country after Donald Trump recognised the leader of the opposition as interim president.
    US secretary of state Mike Pompeo said he did not believe Mr Maduro had the legal authority to break diplomatic relations with the US.
    Mr Pompeo said on Wednesday night that the US would maintain diplomatic relations with Venezuela and would conduct relations through the government of the interim president Juan Guaido.


    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/venezuelan-op...jtc_news_index
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  8. #7
    What is most troubling about the $#@!storm thats taking place in Venezuela is that people believe it can not happen anywhere else. This is 'murika, cant happen here. Im sure the Russians said the same thing before the collapse of the Soviet Union, and Germany, and Rome, so on and so forth.
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    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  9. #8
    Smells like Washington regime change - wash , rinse, repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    U.S. Diplomats have 72 hours to leave Venezuela.
    https://www.weau.com/content/news/Ve...504764072.html
    Expelling diplomats - right out of the Trump-neocon playbook. He puled a Trump/neocon on Washington.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    US secretary of state Mike Pompeo said he did not believe Mr Maduro had the legal authority to break diplomatic relations with the US.
    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/venezuelan-op...jtc_news_index
    OMG, LOL - only Washington has the authority to expel diplomats.
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  13. #11
    Brad Cabana @bradCabana
    2 min.
    BREAKING US President formally recognizes Venezuelan opposition leader as President of Venezuela. In case you ever wanted to watch a good old fashioned US sponsored coup in South America here you go …



    Guy Elster @guyelster
    23 min.
    #BREAKING #Venezuela opposition leader swears himself in as interim president

    Aldin
    Deputy of the National Assembly of Venezuela calls for the military to decide on which side they are.

    The Organization of American States (OAS) chief recognizes Venezuelan Juan Guaido as Interim President.

    Paraguay recognizes Venezuelan Juan Guaido as Interim President.

    Guy Elster
    BREAKING #Pompeo calls on #Venezuela's Maduro to step down, urges support from military
    BREAKING US senior administration official tells reporters all options on the table if #Venezuela President #Maduro harms any national assembly members or other officials

    (imagine if Russia would recognize Clinton as interim US president...)

    Brasil recognizes Venezuelan Juan Guaido as Interim President.



    Diosdado Cabello Former Speaker of the National Assembly of Venezuela calls for all Nicolas Maduro supporters to stay in front of Miraflores Palace tonight.


    https://twitter.com/LaloDagach/statu...50035819360257

    Ali Özkök - علي أزكوك
    Colombia recognizes Juan Guaido as president of Venezuela


    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1088157160993972224

    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1088157026558070786

    Conflict News
    Paraguay recognizes Venezuela opposition leader Juan Guaido as interim president

    Countries that now recognize Venezuela opposition leader Juan Guaido as interim president:
    - USA
    - Canada
    - Brazil
    - Paraguay
    - Colombia
    - Peru
    - Ecuador
    - Costa Rica
    - Argentina




    teleSUR English
    Venezuela's @dcabellor: "The people gave us an order on 20th May, that order was that @nicolasMaduro is the president. We obeyed that order, costs what it costs"

    Conflict News
    BREAKING: Mexico still backs Maduro as Venezuela president, says government spokesman - AFP



    https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/s...59520851927041

    teleSUR English
    Huge Chavista rally in Caracas underway now in rejection of US intervention and in support of the elected government




    https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status...63658058919938


    https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1088163459907403783


    (Media already using names like 'pro maduro forces' instead of Venezuelan army.)



    MoonofAlabama
    Venezuela - U.S. Again Tries Regime Change Which Is Again Likely To Fail
    https://t.co/RPiF30fqjg



    Philip Crowther
    Maduro has given US Embassy staff 72 hours to leave the country, says he is ending diplomatic relations with Washington, as seen on Venezuelan state TV.


    https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/s...70456618807297

    Rania Khalek
    This move by Trump to facilitate a coup in Venezuela by recognizing an unelected leader as its president will almost certainly be supported by all the corporate outlets that spend all day insisting they hate Trump.




    ELINT News
    BREAKING: Bolivia joins Mexico in announcing it still supports Maduro as Venezuelan President

    The Spectator Index
    Expressed support or recognition of Maduro as president of Venezuela:

    - Bolivia
    - Cuba
    - Mexico
    - Russia
    - Turkey

    Recognizing Juan Guaido as Venezuela's president:

    - US
    - Canada
    - Brazil
    - Paraguay
    - Colombia
    - Argentina
    - Peru
    - Ecuador
    - Costa Rica
    - Chile
    - Guatemala



    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1088196486545002499




    Marco Rubio @MarcoRubio
    Maduro has no authority to expel U.S. diplomats or end diplomatic relations. The legitimate President @jguaido has asked U.S. diplomats to stay in #Venezuela. Our diplomats leaving would be tacit acceptance of Maduro legitimacy. Under no circumstances should we leave.

    Donald Tusk
    @eucopresident
    I hope that all of Europe will unite in support of democratic forces in #Venezuela. Unlike Maduro, the parliamentary assembly, including Juan Guaido have a democratic mandate from Venezuelan citizens.


    ELINT News
    UPDATE: Unknown plane from Russia has arrived in Venezuela

    "The opposition has repeatedly boycotted multiple elections."
    Because they won't win. Moreover they wouldn't even claim election violations. Because they would surely try to use such opportunity.
    So they just claim themselves as victors. Similar to Urkaine, similar to Syria.
    "If you're unable to win fair competition then lean to swindles, blackmailing, violence and hooliganism."
    - that's recipe to success widely used by Washington and it's proteges. Similary US behaves on the world markets.
    It's something like trademark of the US globalists/neocons.

    teleSUR English
    Venezuela’s Defense Minister, Vladimir Padrino Lopez, declared that the National Bolivarian Armed Forces
    refuses to accept the opposition leader #JorgeGuaido as the interim president of the Latin American country.
    https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/...0123-0029.html

    teleSUR English
    President of Bolivia @eVoespueblo: The U.S. does not fool anyone. They are not worried about defending democracy in #Venezuela, they only want to loot their oil.
    To achieve this, as it did in #Irak and #Libia, it provokes conflict, destabilizes and intervenes militarily.

    @telesurenglish
    President of Bolivia @eVoespueblo: We blame the U.S. for promoting a coup d'etat and confrontation between Venezuelans. In a democracy free peoples elect their presidents, not the empire. #LatinAmerica is a zone of peace and will defend its sovereignty before the imperialist coup

    teleSUR English
    President @eVoespueblo: The U.S. withdraws from #MiddleEast after sowing war and destruction, now overturns its policy of intervention and violence in #LatinAmerica They speak of democracy and freedom, but they promote a coup in Venezuelan. The interventionism will fail.

    Doing business with Rothschild thieves...
    Maria
    Venezuela placed gold in Bank of England as guarantee for loan from Germany to buy food from Turkey. Venezuela has paid back the loan to Germany...
    but London won't return the gold, now worth US$1.3 billion, with which Venezuela could buy food.
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-ve...-idUKKCN1PF1Z8



    https://twitter.com/Ozkok_/status/1088351968211415042


    https://twitter.com/DanielLMcAdams/status/1088289413136859136


    Ali Özkök
    Russia warns U.S. against any military intervention in #Venezuela


    Jeffrey St. Clair‏@JSCCounterPunch
    BREAKING: CounterPunch is officially recognizing Jeremy Corbyn as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.



    Already Happened‏ @M3t4_tr0n
    US military interference in Venezuela would have catastrophic consequences. Russia supports Venezuela, will stand with it to guard sovereignty - Ryabkov, Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation

    Enrico Ivanov ☦️‏ @Russ_Warrior
    "What the #US are trying to do in #Venezuela is an illegal usurpation of power, we haven't received a request for military support from #Maduro" - Kremlin
    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_m...41355-8ng0.htm


    Sonia Mota‏ @SoniaKatiMota
    Unsure about what is happening right now in #Venezuela?
    Cut through the corporate media propaganda and get the full low-down on the current #US-backed coup in progress here:
    https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14244 by @venanalysis

    Venezuelan Opposition Leader Guaido Declares Himself President, Recognized by US and Allies
    https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14244


    RUSSIA URGES VENEZUELAN OPPOSITION NOT TO PLAY ROLE OF PAWNS IN DIRTY GAME - LAVROV
    LAVROV: CONDITIONS NEED TO BE CREATED FOR NATIONWIDE DIALOGUE IN VENEZUELA, CALLS FOR VIOLENCE SHOULD BE EXCLUDED

    LAVROV: U.S.' RECOGNITION OF GUAIDO INDICATES U.S. PLAYED DIRECT ROLE IN VENEZUELA CRISIS
    Interfax

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    doubled.
    Last edited by goldenequity; 01-24-2019 at 07:25 AM.

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post



    I don't know the backstory on this election, maybe someone could clarify
    this whole thing....Just a few days or so ago
    I thought I was hearing lots of praise cast upon Maduro, and
    musings that this is a great move against socialism.

    Pence is throwing out some pretty bold rhetoric, how much of
    a stretch would it be to hear THIS coming out of Washington;

    ''Nancy Peyote Urges Americans to Rise up Against 'Dictator'
    Trump After Failed Mainstream Media Revolt''

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    -

  16. #14
    Coincidence? Venezuela Green Lights Russia to Mine Gold, Days Later US Attempts Overthrow

    In the next few days, you can expect this move by the US to stoke potential for a civil war in Venezuela which would draw in other countries like Cuba and Brazil. The result of this potential civil war would be utterly catastrophic.

    The Russian Foreign Ministry agrees and responded on Thursday to Washington’s recognition of Guaido as president, noting that it “is aimed at deepening the split in Venezuelan society, increasing the conflict on the streets, sharply destabilizing the internal political system and further escalation of the conflict.” The Ministry then repeated claims it made just before the US invaded Syria and Libya by saying similar action in Venezuela would be “fraught with catastrophic consequences.”

    The move by Washington and others even prompted a response from Putin himself on Thursday who said, according the Russian state media outlet, RT, that “foreign interference in Venezuela’s internal affairs grossly violates international law.”

    To those who think this is about Nicolás Maduro, think again. No one here is arguing that Maduro is an angel. No one here is saying that his election wasn’t surrounded in controversy. And, no one here is claiming that the people of Venezuela do not have a right to contest his presidency. But to ignore every president’s meddling in the country since George W. Bush and the US desire to overthrow Hugo Chavez for a decade before this would be incredibly naive.

    TFTP has long reported on the crimes against the Venezuelan people by the state. We have reported on the mass killing of citizens by police, the loyalists being armed while the opposition was disarmed, and the disturbing police state the country has become. But the current situation in Venezuela would look like a paradise compared to what will likely ensue following Western intervention.

    Venezuela is not a tyrannical autocracy and its crisis is NOT organic; it is a deeply divided and polarized society—which the US is exploiting for special interests.


    And no, socialism alone did not create the horrific plight currently faced by the Venezuelan people. Decades of sanctions and meddling have proven to be unbelievably effective at hurling their economy into a whirlwind of chaos, collapsing their currency, and cutting them off from the rest of the world—literally starving them to death.

    Make no mistake, this has likely long been the plan. As George Galloway, former 30 year member of the British Parliament noted, “before they drop the bombs, they drop the narrative, of course. And the disinformation bombardment in Venezuela has been one of the longest bombing runs in history. Massive sums of US money have been spent on media distortion, subversion, sabotage, military coups, and threats of invasion throughout the Chavez-Maduro era.”

    For those who may be unaware, the proven oil reserves in Venezuela are known to be the largest in the world, totaling 297 billion barrels. In December, Caracas and Moscow signed a $5 billion investment deal to raise Venezuela’s oil production by one million barrels per day. This move was done to counter the effects of US sanctions which have been crippling the country and raised many neocon eyebrows.

    What’s more, aside from their proven oil deposits, Venezuela is also known for its extremely rich gold deposits. Also in December, Caracas gave the green light to Russia to begin mining gold inside their country.

    “As for Russia’s participation in gold-mining or other mining projects, Venezuela has made a wide range of interesting proposals that are currently under consideration by interested Russian operators,” the ambassador said.

    Because of their rich deposits and need to subvert US sanctions and a weaponized US dollar, Venezuela has become the 25th largest holder of gold in the world making them a direct threat to the global banking system.

    To think that the US interests in Venezuela are purely humanitarian is not only asinine but it blindly ignores decades of US interventionism highlighting the contrary—especially considering what happened in Libya.

    As TFTP has previously reported, on October 20th, 2011, the West took it upon itself to use NATO to overthrow Gaddafi — not for any humanitarian threat to civilians as had been repeatedly claimed and is the alleged impetus behind the coup in Venezuela — but because his planned roll-out of a new currency to be used across Africa posed a palpable existential threat to central banks at the heart of the Western financial and political system.

    In fact, before Washington’s endorsement of Guaido, Venezuela was carrying out a similar plan. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan recently launched a gold trade with Maduro. But this was not simply moving gold from one place to another. Maduro announced that he was moving his entire refining operation directly to Turkey in a direct move against the Western monetary controlled sanctions.

    Now, we find ourselves on the precipice of an all out invasion of their country. Go figure.

    As US sanctions continue to backfire due to an ever-increasing coalition of countries dedicated to fighting them, the American military industrial complex will have no other options for self-preservation other than war. Regardless of how you feel personally about what is going on with the Venezuelan people and their government, buying into another set of lies used for Western interventionism—in yet another country who “needs some freedom”—will undoubtedly be catastrophic, and 100 percent of recent similar situations proves this.
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  17. #15
    We should stay out of this BUT MADURO IS THE BAD GUY HERE, HE AND CHAVEZ DESTROYED VENEZUELA WITH COMMUNISM (WITH THE HELP OF THEIR CENTRAL BANK) AND THEN WHEN THE PEOPLE GOT TIRED OF HIM AND ELECTED A LEGISLATURE HE DIDN'T LIKE HE HELD RIGGED ELECTIONS TO STEAL BACK POWER.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    U.S. Diplomats have 72 hours to leave Venezuela.

    https://www.weau.com/content/news/Ve...504764072.html

    CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido declared himself interim president in a defiant speech Wednesday before masses of anti-government demonstrators who took to the streets to demand President Nicolas Maduro's removal — a bold move that was immediately recognized by the Trump administration and a growing number of other Western nations.

    President Donald Trump called on Maduro to resign and said the U.S. would use the "full weight" of its economic and diplomatic power to push for the restoration of Venezuela's democracy. Canada as well as Brazil, Colombia and several other Latin American nations followed suit in throwing their support behind Guaido.

    "The people of Venezuela have courageously spoken out against Maduro and his regime and demanded freedom and the rule of law," Trump said in a statement.

    Maduro responded by swiftly cutting off diplomatic relations with the United States, the biggest importer of Venezuelan oil, and said American diplomats had 72 hours to leave the country.

    "Before the people and nations of the world, and as constitutional president. .... I've decided to break diplomatic and political relations with the imperialist U.S. government," Maduro told a crowd of red-shirted supporters gathered at the presidential palace. "Don't trust the gringos. They don't have friends or loyalties. They only have interests, guts and the ambition to take Venezuela's oil, gas and gold."
    Washington refuses to withdraw the diplomats, which have now become illegal immigrants. Perhaps President Bolton and the rest of Washington feels they will be useful as expendable targets for some false flag operation as a pretext for military operation. Probably easier than staging some poison gas false flag version number 7.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Dr. Ron Paul. "Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone." - Sophie Magdalena Scholl
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post
    Washington refuses to withdraw the diplomats, which have now become illegal immigrants. Perhaps President Bolton and the rest of Washington feels they will be useful as expendable targets for some false flag operation as a pretext for military operation. Probably easier than staging some poison gas false flag version number 7.
    One day after the State Department said that the "U.S. does not recognize the Maduro regime as the government of Venezuela" and while it would maintain diplomatic relations with Venezuela it would "conduct our relations with Venezuela through the government of interim President Guaido, who has invited our mission to remain in Venezuela", which in turn prompted Maduro to order the expulsion of all US diplomats out of Venezuela in 72 hours - an order that SecState Mike Pompeo said the U.S. would ignore - moments ago the US State Department ordered all non-emergency U.S. government employees to depart Venezuela.
    "U.S. government has limited ability to provide emergency services to U.S. citizens in Venezuela," the state department said in a security alert, warning that Americans residing or traveling in Venezuela "should strongly consider departing Venezuela. Commercial flights remain available."

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-out-venezuela
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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We should stay out of this BUT MADURO IS THE BAD GUY HERE, HE AND CHAVEZ DESTROYED VENEZUELA WITH COMMUNISM (WITH THE HELP OF THEIR CENTRAL BANK) AND THEN WHEN THE PEOPLE GOT TIRED OF HIM AND ELECTED A LEGISLATURE HE DIDN'T LIKE HE HELD RIGGED ELECTIONS TO STEAL BACK POWER.
    Shoulda ended after the first 6 words of that post. The rest is pointless gibberish.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Shoulda ended after the first 6 words of that post. The rest is pointless gibberish.
    No, we have libertarians who are getting suckered into supporting Maduro, I think that we should stay out of it but speaking as a spectator I can see that Maduro is the bad guy and Guaido is the less bad guy.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  23. #20
    Venezuela - Trump's Coup Attempt Is Based On A Seriously Flawed Plan

    The U.S. led coup-attempt against the government of Venezuela under President Maduro is based on a plan that is similar to this one (vid).


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    While U.S. coup plotting against Venezuela goes back to at least 1998 when the deceased President Chavez won his first election, the actual planning for this coup attempt was only done during the last two month. There are many holes in the plan and it involves a lot of wishful thinking. That might give the Maduro government openings to deflect the attack.

    More likely though will the insufficient planning, based on false perceptions of the situation on the ground, lead to demands for escalation and mission creep. Venezuela must thus immediately prepare for the worst.

    Today U.S. media give some insight into the decision making before the coup-attempt. The Wall Street Journal headline makes it clear that the U.S. is 100% responsible for it:

    Pence Pledged U.S. Backing Before Venezuela Opposition Leader’s Move

    Trump administration’s secret plan pledging support for opposition leader Juan Guaidó was preconceived and tightly coordinated

    The night before Juan Guaidó declared himself interim president of Venezuela, the opposition leader received a phone call from Vice President Mike Pence. Mr. Pence pledged that the U.S. would back Mr. Guaidó if he seized the reins of government from Nicolás Maduro by invoking a clause in the South American country’s constitution, a senior administration official said.
    That late-night call set in motion a plan that had been developed in secret over the preceding several weeks, accompanied by talks between U.S. officials, allies, lawmakers and key Venezuelan opposition figures, including Mr. Guaidó himself.

    The leading figures were Vice President Pence, Secretary of State Pompeo and Senator Marco Rubio as well as hawks in in the National Security Council.

    A decisive moment came a week later in a White House meeting Jan. 22, the eve of protests in Venezuela, when Mr. Rubio along with Sen. Rick Scott and Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, both Republicans from Florida, were called to a White House meeting with Mr. Trump, Vice President Pence and others.
    ...
    Other officials who met that day at the White House included Messrs. Pompeo and Bolton, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who presented Mr. Trump with options for recognizing Mr. Guaidó. Mr. Trump decided to do it. Mr. Pence, who wasn’t at that meeting, placed his phone call to Mr. Guaidó to tell him, “If the National Assembly invoked Article 233 the following day, the president would back him,” the senior administration official said.

    Trump himself is only interested in Venezuela's oil reserves, which are the largest of the world:

    While the developments this week surprised many onlookers, Mr. Trump had long viewed Venezuela as one of his top-three foreign policy priorities, including Iran and North Korea.
    ...
    Mr. Trump requested a briefing on Venezuela in his second day in office, often speaking to his team about the suffering of Venezuelan people and the country’s immense potential to become a rich nation through its oil reserves, ...

    Before the U.S. attack on Libya Trump said (vid) that the U.S. should demand 50% of the oil profits from the 'rebels' it hoped to put into place: "[They] should have said: We'll help you but we want 50% of your oil."

    It is interesting that neither the Pentagon nor the Justice Department were involved in the planing of the coup attempt. They could have pointed out the obvious flaws.
    Article 233 of the Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (pdf) is not a valid legal basis for Guaidó himself or for the Venezuelan National Assembly to declare him president. It regulates the procedures in the case that the elected or sitting president "becomes permanently unavailable" which Maduro is obviously not. To cite Article 233 for this is a scam that no court will accept.

    The White House planning also seem to go no further than the current stage. This for example is extremely wishful thinking:

    “The U.S. believes the rank-and-file military are most likely with the opposition,” the senior administration official said. “The most significant development in the last 24 hours has been that the [Venezuelan] military has stayed in its barracks. And Maduro hasn’t ordered them to squash the protests possibly because he’s unsure they would follow his orders and doesn’t want to test that.”

    This is delusional. The opposition protests were so far smaller and less violent that those in 2016. Even during those riots the military stayed in the barracks because it plays no role in the internal security of Venezuela. To confront rioting protestors is the job of the local police and the National Guard of Venezuela which "can serve as gendarmerie, perform civil defense roles, or serve as a reserve light infantry force." While the National Guard is formally a military service it has its own line of command.

    Since 2002 Chavez and the Maduro have cleaned up the military. It has also received a number of perks. Many nationalized companies are led by (former) military officers. To base a plan on an unfounded hope of military support for a coup is crazy.

    The White House seems at a loss at what to do next:

    Much remains to be sorted out, including the U.S. determination that Mr. Guaidó represents the lawful government and is entitled to all revenues.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/0...awed-plan.html
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  24. #21
    Eliot Abrahams now involved. Foreign policy Criminal alert.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...W04KIdpJcs-Xhc

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by vita3 View Post
    Eliot Abrahams now involved. Foreign policy Criminal alert.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...W04KIdpJcs-Xhc
    + rep

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  26. #23
    Trump’s Latest Neocon Adviser Assigned Task of Overthrowing Maduro in Venezuela

    Donald Trump is no different than his predecessors. During the campaign, he said whatever he had to in order to get elected. He promised to close down the neocon foreign wars and also fight the “deep state” by draining the swamp.

    Obama also promised to end the neocon wars, but that was said with the same insincerity as his predecessor, George W. Bush, who said in 2000 he wasn’t into nation building and foreign entanglements.

    It is now obvious, with the Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s appointment of convicted criminal Elliott Abrams as his “point person” on Venezuela, that the neocons have taken full control of Trump’s foreign policy.

    “This crisis in Venezuela is deep and difficult and dangerous and I can’t wait to get to work on it,” said Abrams after Pompeo made the announcement.
    Recall the role Mr. Abrams played during the Reagan years. He helped fund the Contras in Nicaragua and is linked to the 1982 El Mozote massacre of hundreds of civilians in El Salvador. It was later estimated by a UN truth commission that 85 percent of the abuses during the civil war in El Salvador were committed by military death squads assisted by the Reagan administration.

    Abrams has experience overthrowing government’s not following the neoliberal master plan. In 2002, during the Bush neocon regime, Abrams worked on a failed Venezuelan coup. Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez was jailed. Supporters and a loyal military freed Chávez and likely saved him from what would later be known as the Gaddafi method of deposing disfavored leaders refusing to follow neoliberal strictures as pushed by the Council on Foreign Relations where Abrams is a senior fellow.

    Rex Tillerson wanted to bring Abrams on board at the State Department, but Trump wouldn’t go for it because Abrams opposed his election and was a prominent fixture of the Never Trump movement. Now that Tillerson is gone—after characterizing Trump as a moron, but for the wrong reason—and neocons Pompeo and Bolton are in place, we can conclude that the neocon takeover of the Trump administration is all but complete. The final act is impeaching or forcing Trump’s resignation so the more amenable (for neocons) Christian Zionist Mike Pence can sit on the ceremonial throne.

    “Next time, in 2020, we’ll have had 12 years of Obama and Clinton, Hillary will be in her mid-seventies, Trump will be gone, and a new generation of Republican leaders like Rubio and Cruz and Ryan and Cotton and Haley and Sasse will still be in their forties,” Abrams said in 2016.

    Trump will be left to fight off endless attacks by Democrats trying to unseat him. His major campaign promise—to build the wall—will go unrealized and he will go down as one of the more ineffective presidents in US history.

    Meanwhile, US foreign policy continues uninterrupted, never mind the minor turbulence of Trump declaring (again) that he will get US troops out of Syria and Afghanistan.

    Bolton, Pompeo, and Abrams are in control. The wars will continue, expand—adding Iran and Venezuela to the forever war roster—and the people will be left to stand on the sidelines, ill-informed and distracted by lesser staged events.

    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors… and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do,” said Karl Rove, the Bush administration fixer and former Nixon dirty trickster.

    It is unknown at this point what the neocon triumvirate—Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams—will do in regard to Venezuela. For now, the US has declared the “military option” (of murder and mayhem) is “on the table” in response to re-election of Nicholás Maduro. The heavy lifting will be left to the Lima Group—Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Panama, Paraguay and Peru—and these countries may be used to inflict a “humanitarian intervention” on the people of Venezuela.

    The Organization of American States has not backed the neocon and Lima Group effort to evict Maduro and return the oil-rich nation to the neoliberal orbit. It cites the OAS Charter of 1948. Article 19, Chapter IV states: “No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.”

    For a large number of Trump supporters, making America Great Again means continuing the imperial objectives of the empire—installing preferred satraps (Juan Guaidó in Venezuela) or those tolerable to Wall Street and the Chicago School version of neoliberalism.

    The hypocrisy is palatable. Trump and his diehard supporters stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Democrat “Resistance” and the “liberal” media in regard to Venezuela. “It is revealing how the supposedly anti-Trump media have closed ranks and are marching in lockstep with the administration when it comes to overthrowing Washington’s official enemies. The media are not opposing Trump or tyranny; they are enabling it,” writes Alan MacLeod.

    There is very little pushback inside the United States over these grossly illegal and immoral interventions. The Trump faithful has demonstrated repeatedly there are few differences between them and the “libtards” when the issue is supporting the financial elite and their crimes.

    https://kurtnimmo.blog/2019/01/27/tr...-in-venezuela/
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  27. #24
    Venezuela border showdown set for Feb, 23rd.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...D=ansmsnnews11

    CÚCUTA, Colombia — The Trump administration and the Venezuelan opposition have staked their plans to weaken President Nicolás Maduro on a climactic moment only days away: On Saturday, they will try to break his blockade of the border with a delivery of food and medication.

    The two have set Feb. 23 as the deadline for an ambitious land-and-sea campaign that would bring humanitarian supplies through Colombia, Brazil and the Caribbean and into the hands of thousands of Venezuelans who have suffered the greatest economic collapse the region has faced in generations.

    On Monday, President Trump made the case at a rally in Miami to an enthusiastic audience, which included Americans of Venezuelan descent shouting “U.S.A., U.S.A.!”

    For Mr. Guaidó, there is an additional risk: In accepting wholeheartedly Mr. Trump’s embrace, Mr. Guaidó risks looking like a puppet of the United States.

    “Being associated too closely with the U.S. carries too much baggage anywhere in Latin America,” said Adam Isacson of the Washington Office on Latin America, a human rights group. “And when you have a leftist government that rallies its base on these issues of American imperialism, it plays closely into their narrative.”


    Mr. Isacson, who directs the group’s security and defense program, also expressed concern about the tension that the rhetoric of Mr. Trump and Mr. Maduro was raising on the border.

    “With this kind of saber-rattling you create potential for a hair-trigger moment,” he said, citing Mr. Maduro’s dispatch of troops to the border. “An incident there could go badly.”

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    Guy Elster‏@guyelster · 54 sek.
    BREAKING Venezuela's armed forces will remain stationed along the country's borders to prevent potential territorial violations: Defence Minister

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    VENEZUELA'S DEFENSE MINISTER SAYS OPPOSITION WILL HAVE TO PASS OVER "OUR DEAD BODIES" TO IMPOSE A PUPPET GOV'T: RTRS

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  30. #26
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52111805

    The US has offered to lift crippling sanctions against Venezuela if its leaders agree to a power-sharing deal.

    Under the US plan, Venezuela's left-wing President Nicolás Maduro would "step aside" and a transitional council would govern until fresh elections.

    The US imposed its latest round of sweeping sanctions against Venezuela last year in an attempt to force Mr Maduro to step down.

    However, Mr Maduro has so far resisted all attempts to remove him from power.

    He is backed by Venezuela's military as well as Russia, China and Cuba.

    Less than a week ago, the US took a tougher line with President Maduro, charging him and other senior officials with "narco-terrorism".


    Venezuela has been mired in a political and economic crisis for years. Inflation hit 800,000% last year and 4.8 million people have fled the country.

    Its problems have been exacerbated by a recent drop in world oil prices as well as the coronavirus pandemic.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  31. #27
    Venezuela is running out of gasoline.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...911_story.html

    April 16, 2020 at 4:00 a.m. PDT

    CARACAS, Venezuela — With friends and family stuck indoors and buses rarely running, Onasis Muñoz missed several lifesaving dialysis sessions for his failing kidneys. When his blood pressure started to dangerously spike, he had one option left: a 20-minute hike to the nearest clinic.

    Venezuela’s strict national coronavirus lockdown wasn’t his main problem. Rather, this broken country, which boasts the world’s largest proven oil reserves, is running out of gas.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  32. #28
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Might be for support roles?

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  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I'm thinking something more serious/sinister in fact. Civil unrest at home.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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