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    $#@!...

    Woke up from a particularly vivid dream...nightmare...where Ron won, and his campaign slogan from 2012 was viewed the same as MAGA and he and his family treated the same way, but much worse than Trump.

    It did not end well, this dream.



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    I've had dreams where Ron won as well but they always turn out to always work out.
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    I sincerely believe this.
    Mitt Romney told him what was going to happen to the next Republican president and kindly advised him not to subject himself to this crap because he really believes that Ron is awesome and didn't want to see him in a Liberty Movement s*** on I like that

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    It would have likely been a hard road for him had he won.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Can we go back to 08 and have a do over please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCifelli1 View Post
    Can we go back to 08 and have a do over please?
    THIS PLEASE

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post


    $#@!...

    Woke up from a particularly vivid dream...nightmare...where Ron won, and his campaign slogan from 2012 was viewed the same as MAGA and he and his family treated the same way, but much worse than Trump.

    It did not end well, this dream.
    The majority do not want to "Restore America," nor "Make America Great Again."

    The majority don't want an America. They want an new State of Americas. Plural. A wonderful communist utopia and certainly not one that is guided by the writings of wealthy, white male slave owners.

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    I have never heard a definition of MAGA. When did american stop being great, or what would constitute it being great again? The entire 'again' should mean there was a specific point in time you could point to and say everything before this was great, everything after was not.

    With Ron he gave a checklist of issues to fix to restore America. Gold standard, audit the fed, stop imperialism, reduce the deficit, etc. I'm still waiting for someone to start doing those things.
    “…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    I have never heard a definition of MAGA. When did american stop being great, or what would constitute it being great again? The entire 'again' should mean there was a specific point in time you could point to and say everything before this was great, everything after was not.

    With Ron he gave a checklist of issues to fix to restore America. Gold standard, audit the fed, stop imperialism, reduce the deficit, etc. I'm still waiting for someone to start doing those things.
    My point is that Ron would have gotten the exact same treatment.

    Worse, in fact.

    Never forgot that, according to the government media organs, Trump learned his racism from Ron Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    Mitt Romney ...didn't want to see him in a Liberty Movement s*** on I like that
    Whatever motivates Mitt Romney to do anything, it isn't this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    My point is that Ron would have gotten the exact same treatment.

    Worse, in fact.

    Never forgot that, according to the government media organs, Trump learned his racism from Ron Paul.
    I would see a significant difference:

    1. Ron Paul would not be playing political games - out the gate he would have exit strategies for most of the departments
    2. Ron has a devout following of able bodied advisors/people. He would be fine with surrounding himself with legit political outsiders, and there would be many lined up to help. Trump has no choice but to hire swampers, because nobody else is willing to work with/for him
    3. Troops would have been home it time for Christmas 2017
    4. "They" would either kill Ron, or the backlash from empty handed government teat suckers would create riots in the streets
    5. If "They" killed Ron, they would be after his VP next - somehow trying to pin it on the Russians

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    Deep state woulda snuffed him out for sure.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnCifelli1 View Post
    Can we go back to 08 and have a do over please?
    This, I have a hard time believing that Ron Paul would be treated any worse that Trump especially by the people. The media and the deep state would savage him but I think he would be able to win the people over unlike Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    I would see a significant difference:

    1. Ron Paul would not be playing political games - out the gate he would have exit strategies for most of the departments
    2. Ron has a devout following of able bodied advisors/people. He would be fine with surrounding himself with legit political outsiders, and there would be many lined up to help. Trump has no choice but to hire swampers, because nobody else is willing to work with/for him
    3. Troops would have been home it time for Christmas 2017
    4. "They" would either kill Ron, or the backlash from empty handed government teat suckers would create riots in the streets
    5. If "They" killed Ron, they would be after his VP next - somehow trying to pin it on the Russians
    They would have impeached him on trumped up charges or killed him before any of those things could happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    This, I have a hard time believing that Ron Paul would be treated any worse that Trump especially by the people. The media and the deep state would savage him but I think he would be able to win the people over unlike Trump.
    He would have been treated MUCH worse, they would have dug up old patients to claim he was a rapist and anything else they could manufacture would have been used as well.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He would have been treated MUCH worse, they would have dug up old patients to claim he was a rapist and anything else they could manufacture would have been used as well.
    Ron Paul would kill em with kindness. He would implement policies that favor the American people and unlike Trump, he has the verbal acuity to explain it to the people. That would be a game changer between a person like Trump and Ron Paul.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Ron Paul would kill em with kindness. He would implement policies that favor the American people and unlike Trump, he has the verbal acuity to explain it to the people. That would be a game changer between a person like Trump and Ron Paul.
    The MSM would have the entire country hating his guts and he would be removed before any of his policies could take effect one way or another.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The MSM would have the entire country hating his guts and he would be removed before any of his policies could take effect one way or another.
    Don't buy it, the problem with Trump is that it is to demonize him. This is because he is demonstrably a lying, arrogant, boastful, thieving bully. Observe him for a reasonable amount of time and he would display those vices to you. You even need the media to do any spinning.

    Ron Paul on the other hand has the virtues and intelligence that when coupled with presidential power and pulpit the president has can counter the venom from the MSM.
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Don't buy it, the problem with Trump is that it is to demonize him. This is because he is demonstrably a lying, arrogant, boastful, thieving bully. Observe him for a reasonable amount of time and he would display those vices to you. You even need the media to do any spinning.

    Ron Paul on the other hand has the virtues and intelligence that when coupled with presidential power and pulpit the president has can counter the venom from the MSM.
    They wouldn't give him the opportunity, they would call him a racist (The infamous newsletters), a rapist (they would have found one or more of his patients to lie for them), a Russian agent (every piece of his foreign policy would be found to benefit Putin and they would have manufactured any "evidence" they needed) and anything else they could come up with and if that failed he would simply have been assassinated within a year of taking office.

    He would have been a much greater threat to the status quo and therefore they would have gone totally berserk far beyond what they are doing to Trump.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Ron Paul would kill em with kindness. He would implement policies that favor the American people and unlike Trump, he has the verbal acuity to explain it to the people. That would be a game changer between a person like Trump and Ron Paul.
    He tried that and was roundly rejected.

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    And I agree, he never would have made it to within 1000 yards of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

    That's how it ended, the dream that is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Woke up from a particularly vivid dream...nightmare...where Ron won, and his campaign slogan from 2012 was viewed the same as MAGA and he and his family treated the same way, but much worse than Trump.
    Especially so since Ron Paul embodies a fundamental challenge to the nature of the system itself.

    As much of an irritant to the system that Trump might be, he doesn't represent an existential threat to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They would have impeached him on trumped up charges or killed him before any of those things could happen.
    If that's true, what does that imply about Trump?
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    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    If that's true, what does that imply about Trump?
    That he is LESS of a threat to them and that he has made deals and chosen allies in order to survive.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    As much as I love Ron Paul, I don't think he would be strong enough to withstand the onslaught from the Marxists in the Media and DC Establishment. You have to be a fighter like Trump is and RP is a nice guy.

    The statists are out there. They don't fight fair. They don't have honor. They don’t feel pity, or remorse, or shame... and they absolutely will not stop, ever, until they are dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    As much as I love Ron Paul, I don't think he would be strong enough to withstand the onslaught from the Marxists in the Media and DC Establishment. You have to be a fighter like Trump is and RP is a nice guy.

    The statists are out there. They don't fight fair. They don't have honor. They don’t feel pity, or remorse, or shame... and they absolutely will not stop, ever, until they are dead.
    Strong enough? You didn’t see the sign on his desk “Don’t steal the government hates competition”?

    Ron wouldn’t bother to entertain them, he’d just shut the door

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post


    $#@!...

    Woke up from a particularly vivid dream...nightmare...where Ron won, and his campaign slogan from 2012 was viewed the same as MAGA and he and his family treated the same way, but much worse than Trump.

    It did not end well, this dream.

    While it's true that Donals benefited from and in some cases tried to regurgitate RP's positions where oppoortunistcally politically expedient and there is some overlap in RP and his supporters (probably not as indicative as overlap in Obama/Bush-MAGA supporters), from what has unfolded so far liberty is no where in top 10 priorities of this regime. Many of those attacking RP are now circling current MAGA... Bolton, ZOA, Dershowitz, Sheldon Adelson, Hannity, Giuliani, Graham, Lieberman to name a few.

    While conspiracy theories piating him as fake frontgroup for Israel-First lobbies go too far, current MAGA is more likely to restore Patriot Act than 2nd Amend.

    True neoconservatives - MAGA Funders & Partners


    - Elliot Abrams (Rubio, Cruz adviser)
    - Sheldon Adelson (Billionaire donor, Rubio backer)
    - Sen. Kelly Ayotte
    - Gary Bauer
    - Cofer Black (Romney adviser)
    - Brad Blakeman
    - John Bolton (Cruz adviser)
    .....

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    One major difference between Ron and Trump is that the first “government shutdown” would have happened the first time the Congress brought a budget to him. The very first one would have been vetoed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    One major difference between Ron and Trump is that the first “government shutdown” would have happened the first time the Congress brought a budget to him. The very first one would have been vetoed.
    And that veto would have been overridden, and so would every other veto , Ron would have had about a dozen members of Congress on his side.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    While it's true that Donals benefited from and in some cases tried to regurgitate RP's positions where oppoortunistcally politically expedient and there is some overlap in RP and his supporters (probably not as indicative as overlap in Obama/Bush-MAGA supporters), from what has unfolded so far liberty is no where in top 10 priorities of this regime. Many of those attacking RP are now circling current MAGA... Bolton, ZOA, Dershowitz, Sheldon Adelson, Hannity, Giuliani, Graham, Lieberman to name a few.

    While conspiracy theories painting him as fake frontgroup for Israel-First lobbies go too far, current MAGA is more likely to restore Patriot Act than 2nd Amend.

    True neoconservatives - MAGA Funders & Partners


    - Elliot Abrams (Rubio, Cruz adviser)
    - Sheldon Adelson (Billionaire donor, Rubio backer)
    - Sen. Kelly Ayotte
    - Gary Bauer
    - Cofer Black (Romney adviser)
    - Brad Blakeman
    - John Bolton (Cruz adviser)
    .....
    To be fair to Trump, he also went ape when he realized during that CPAC that Ron Paul was favored by the audience. He threatened to get into the race if Ron Paul were to win the nomination. He is one of them not apart from them, he would have to drain himself in order to drain the swamp. This is why he is only getting soft push back from TPDB

    Frontman for Israeli firsters? who in their right mind would suggest that. He is totally for making America great again
    You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Trust principles; not people.
    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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