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    Overnight Clashes Follow Venezuelan Officers' Failed Attempt To Lead Anti-Maduro Coup

    Venezuela remains on edge after in the pre-dawn hours of Monday morning a small group of soldiers attempted to launch a military coup against the Maduro regime, but failed, resulting in the arrests of 25 members of the Venezuelan National Guard who temporarily gained control of a police station located a short distance from the presidential palace in Caracas, and the apprehension of two others at another location, in total 27 detained all of which sparked riots in local neighborhoods, some of which appear to have continued throughout the night.

    Following the mutiny and subsequent successful government crackdown, which further involved the rebellious unit briefly kidnapping several officials and stealing weaponry in the Cotiza neighborhood, pockets of anti-Maduro protests were sparked in the capital city demanding the release of the detained soldiers, whose actions the government condemned as "treasonous" and "motivated by the dark interests of the extreme right," according to a statement announced on state TV. Maduro's right-hand man, Diosdado Cabello, also boasted on Twitter while speaking of the rebels: "They were neutralized, surrendered and captured in record time."
    Hours prior to the crackdown on the coup attempt, a series of videos were published to social media showing what are purported to be the coup leaders standing in darkness with a spokesman demanding that Venezuelans rise up to support the coup. In one video a man who identified himself as Luis Bandres said, “You all asked that we take to the streets to defend the constitution. Here we are. Here we have the troops, it’s today when the people come out to support us.”
    And in another video a heavily armed man appeals to the public with "You wanted us to light the fuse, so we did. We need your support." This appears to have driven at least some in the vicinity of where the military rebellion was launched to the streets, angry at what's being called President Nicolas Maduro's "illegitimate" election to a second six-year term, as the AP reports:
    At daybreak in the adjacent neighborhood of Cotiza, a group of shirtless young men, some with their faces covered, built a barricade across the street with a burning car, heavy sewer grates and a large chunk of concrete.
    An angry group of women shouted that they have lived for too long without running water and tear gas fired by security forces choked their children.
    "Freedom! Freedom!" they chanted. "Maduro has to go!"
    "We must defend our homeland," Maria Fernanda Rodriguez, a 36-year-old manicurist, told The Associated Press, her eyes welling from the tear gas.
    International reports suggest some of these initial protests were snuffed out by riot police, but sporadic clashes continued in some places through the evening.
    Military officials arrested for weapons theft#Venezuela #Cotiza #Caracas pic.twitter.com/CiUEZxrwef
    — Ruptly (@Ruptly) January 21, 2019
    But the socialist country, currently suffering from what's being widely described as "inflation approaching 2 million percent" and a shortage of everything from food to medicine to diapers and baby formula, remains on edge as opposition leaders are now calling for mass protests in the coming days in the wake of the defeated attempt at triggering a broader military revolt.
    Otro video de la protesta de vecinos del barrio El Limón, en la autopista Caracas- La Guaira , en contra de Maduro la noche de este lunes #21Ene pic.twitter.com/8SbJZXosoK
    — NTN24 Venezuela (@NTN24ve) January 22, 2019
    NO TENEMOS MIEDO!!!!!!!!!! #Cotiza #Venezuela #21Enero pic.twitter.com/0exjBBqvfU
    — Cristian Crespo F. (@cristiancrespoj) January 21, 2019
    Clashes appeared ongoing through the night in the neighborhood in which the military revolt began.
    #VIDEO La Guardia Nacional llegó a disolver la protesta contra Maduro en el Cuartel de Catia, la media noche de este lunes. pic.twitter.com/9ox1CteOKz
    — NTN24 Venezuela (@NTN24ve) January 22, 2019
    Specifically, opposition leaders in the legislature have called for nation-wide protests to be held Wednesday following the government-stacked Supreme Court declaring it would throw out recent measures by the National Assembly that declared Maduro's presidency illegitimate.
    But thus far the brief military uprising appears to have been a very isolated event as the officers involved are low-ranking with little sway to start a domino effect of defections, which would have to dent the higher ranks first. The televised government statement following the arrests emphasized that the military remains loyal to the state with the words, “The armed forces categorically reject this type of action...".
    Unconfirmed videos circulating on social media throughout Monday evening appear to show citizens erecting barricades in Cotiza and possibly other neighborhoods while setting fires to objects amidst a continuing police crackdown seeking to tame the unrest. But the unrest could grow as opposition congressional leader Juan Guaido becomes bolder in his denunciations of Maduro.
    Otro video de El Valle, donde reportan intento de saqueos, protestas y enfrentamientos la noche de este lunes #21Ene / video cortesía pic.twitter.com/23FuB5yt8A
    — NTN24 Venezuela (@NTN24ve) January 22, 2019
    Throughout the night their appeared intermittent violence on Caracas' streets between protesters, police, and what some say are the "colectivo armado" fiercely loyal pro-regime militias that typically move in packs on motorcycles targeting anti-Maduro opposition activists.
    Llegaron los colectivos malparios pic.twitter.com/NMNPHQg6zO
    — recinto del pueblo (@Recintodlpueblo) January 22, 2019
    According to the AP, Guaido is fanning the flames while stopping short of condoning any violent acts, however he's appealing straight to the military ranks:
    Juan Guaido, a 35-year-old newly seated as president of congress, appealed to the military, urging them to demand Maduro abandon power in a nationwide protests Wednesday — a historic date commemorating the end of Venezuela's military dictatorship in 1958.
    "We are not asking you to mount a coup. We are not asking you to shoot," Guaido said in a video circulated on social media. "On the contrary, we are asking you not to shoot at us, but rather to defend together with us the right of our people to be heard."
    Earlier this month Guaido was arrested and briefly detained by secret police following a speech wherein he implied he was the only legitimate authority in Venezuela.

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    Firing squad all of em. You need to send a message now

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Firing squad all of em. You need to send a message now
    Yes, Maduro and his fellow criminals need to go before a firing squad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Yes, Maduro and his fellow criminals need to go before a firing squad.
    Hey I would like to do the same to Bush, Obama and Trumps of this world but elections have consequences. If u are not willing to face the firing squad then dont try to depose an elected leader.

    The message I gave to the Syrian rebels is what I give to these ppl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Hey I would like to do the same to Bush, Obama and Trumps of this world but elections have consequences. If u are not willing to face the firing squad then dont try to depose an elected leader.

    The message I gave to the Syrian rebels is what I give to these ppl.
    They had an election and Maduro didn't like it so he had another one that was rigged, the US should stay out of this but the people of Venezuela need to revolt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They had an election and Maduro didn't like it so he had another one that was rigged, the US should stay out of this but the people of Venezuela need to revolt.
    Things are happening - the anti-Maduro protests are gaining momentum. This is from today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Things are happening - the anti-Maduro protests are gaining momentum. This is from today.
    Good, now we need to keep our hands off so that useful idiots* can't claim that the evil US is toppling another saintly communist country.

    *
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Good, now we need to keep our hands off so that useful idiots* can't claim that the evil US is toppling another saintly communist country.

    *
    Too late.

    Code Pink going full blown communist:




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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    Too late.

    Code Pink going full blown communist:

    That is to be expected but we mustn't give them any more ammunition by intervening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That is to be expected but we mustn't give them any more ammunition by intervening.
    According to them, as well as our friend Che, this uprising is already our "fault."

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    According to them, as well as our friend Che, this uprising is already our "fault."
    Everything is our fault and always will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Everything is our fault and always will be.
    Yeah. Sucks to be at the top of the food chain if you're a self-loathing communist prick.

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46980913

    Juan Guaidó: US backs opposition leader as Venezuela president
    US President Donald Trump has said he recognises Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó as interim president.

    It came minutes after the 35-year-old declared himself as acting leader in Caracas on Wednesday.

    Tens of thousands of Venezuelans are taking to the streets in protest against President Nicolás Maduro.

    Mr Maduro was sworn in for a second term earlier this month, after a poll considered a sham by much of the international community.

    In response to Mr Trump's recognition of the opposition leader, Mr Maduro gave all US diplomatic staff in Venezuela 72 hours to leave the country.

    Venezuela has been in economic freefall for a number of years under his leadership.

    Hyperinflation and key shortages, including of food, has forced millions out of the country.

    It's getting real. I just really hope we stay out of it. Maybe sell the new guy some helicopters.

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    The sheer speed of events internationally, and the building momentum of opposition resistance on the ground, appears to be bringing the full weight of "counterrevolutionary" forces down upon the opposition: about a dozen countries now refuse to recognize Maduro's second term, internet and social media sites have been blocked through much of the country, Maduro has broken diplomatic relations with the US and given American diplomats 72 hours to leave, and the embattled president has called on all Venezuelans to defend the government against a coup. To top it all off, it appears American social media companies are ready to work the US government, given that Facebook and Instagram have removed Venezuelan Dictator Nicolás Maduro’s verification sign this after opposition leader Juan Guaido swore himself in as "interim president".


    Time will tell if the significant weight of US meddling and pressures brought to bear will help or hurt the average Venezuelan, but likely things will get much worse before they get better. There are already signs, however, that the embattled regime could be in the early phases of crumbling. Unverified video has come out showing security forces facing down protesters who appear to have "switched sides" to join the protests:
    Beautiful. Members of the National Guard reject #Madura and let the good people of #Venezuela move forward with their demonstration #Venezuela

    The power moves to the people.

    Credit please @ivonnelago
    pic.twitter.com/1t9c36JmDr
    — Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins) January 23, 2019
    However, elsewhere protests have grown bloody, as further unconfirmed video appears to show pro-Maduro forces firing live rounds against protesters.
    ⚠️ DISTURBING FOOTAGE:
    BREAKING: At least 4 people have been killed after pro-Maduro forces opened fire at anti-Maduro protesters in the city of Barinas
    Developing...: pic.twitter.com/ETw1GRzJr7
    — BNL NEWS (@BreakingNLive) January 23, 2019
    #Update: Video Of Security forces reportedly shooting at protestors in the #Venezuela'n city of Barinas earlier today what responded in 4 people dead. pic.twitter.com/H2KwtuErhp
    — Sotiri Dimpinoudis (@sotiridi) January 23, 2019
    Mass anti-government protests which drew a reported hundreds of thousands in places like the capital have given way to clashes with police, likely to continue throughout the night.
    Venezuela’s opposition filling streets nationwide today in protests against President Maduro and his socialist government. pic.twitter.com/IjzXdd6aOh
    — NBC News (@NBCNews) January 23, 2019
    National Assembly leader Juan Guaido personally called for anti-Maduro protests to be held nationwide on Wednesday itself a historic date commemorating the end of Venezuela's military dictatorship in 1958.
    #Breaking: Heavy clashes right now between Pro-Maduro security forces and opposition protesters in central Caracas in #Venezuela. pic.twitter.com/JZdsaQM9OP
    — Sotiri Dimpinoudis (@sotiridi) January 23, 2019
    Protests throughout the day appeared increasingly confrontational with police, who responded with tear gas and riot control measures.
    Reuters reported previously that "Venezuelan security forces fired tear gas at opposition demonstrators blocking a highway in capital Caracas on Wednesday, amid growing pressure on socialist President Nicolas Maduro, Reuters images showed."

    Local news channels showed police attempting to clear the highway by firing what were described as "warning shots". Opposition sources in other parts of the country are claiming, however, that police are increasingly resorting to "live fire".
    Meanwhile it appears in some places anti-Maduro demonstrators have attacked United Socialist Party of Venezuela offices in buildings.
    #Update: Protesters set fire to the local headquarters of Nicolás Maduro's PSUV party in Maturin in #Venezuela. pic.twitter.com/Df2sFGXuNC
    — Sotiri Dimpinoudis (@sotiridi) January 23, 2019
    Clashes are now rapidly escalating into violence as uncertainty grows. Much will be determined in the following days and will depend on the loyalty of the armed forces.


    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...ernet-blackout
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Good, now we need to keep our hands off so that useful idiots* can't claim that the evil US is toppling another saintly communist country.

    *
    The Euromaidan protests had way more people than that and the US/EU were able to sustain it for a few months before it achieved their goals. Look at how $#@!ed up Ukraine is now, is that what you want for Venezuela? The sanctions on Venezuela just like sanctions of say Iraq, Iran and Russia is mainly put in place to make the lives of the average citizen so unbearable that they overthrow the people in power.

    Some of that pressure is manifesting with the protests but I hope it fails. The imperialist US agenda for Venezuela must be defeated at all cost. If I knew a way to help, I will be helping those poor folks right now.

    I still call for the firing squad of traitors and coup organizers. Same thing I will be saying for anyone trying to depose your god emperor Trump



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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    The Euromaidan protests had way more people than that and the US/EU were able to sustain it for a few months before it achieved their goals. Look at how $#@!ed up Ukraine is now, is that what you want for Venezuela? The sanctions on Venezuela just like sanctions of say Iraq, Iran and Russia is mainly put in place to make the lives of the average citizen so unbearable that they overthrow the people in power.

    Some of that pressure is manifesting with the protests but I hope it fails. The imperialist US agenda for Venezuela must be defeated at all cost. If I knew a way to help, I will be helping those poor folks right now.

    I still call for the firing squad of traitors and coup organizers. Same thing I will be saying for anyone trying to depose your god emperor Trump
    Venezuela is in far worse shape than Ukraine and it is communism that caused it, there was some outside pressure but all countries have outside pressure from their enemies, it is the communism that makes them so weak that they succumb, Venezuela has also had extraordinary support from Communist and communist sympathetic countries from around the world.

    You would apparently defend Mao or Pol Pot if you lived back then.

    The Empire is bad but there are much worse things than the Empire and Maduro is one of them.

    Maduro and his fellow criminals who stole power over the country when they lost an election need killing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Venezuela is in far worse shape than Ukraine and it is communism that caused it, there was some outside pressure but all countries have outside pressure from their enemies, it is the communism that makes them so weak that they succumb, Venezuela has also had extraordinary support from Communist and communist sympathetic countries from around the world.

    You would apparently defend Mao or Pol Pot if you lived back then.

    The Empire is bad but there are much worse things than the Empire and Maduro is one of them.

    Maduro and his fellow criminals who stole power over the country when they lost an election need killing.
    One thing is for sure and it is that I will always be against US actions to overthrow any govt in the World. Also the part about Ukraine went over your head, the point is that the conditions of said countries get worse after US capture. Ukriane, Libya, Syria etc. Sanctions against Venezuela starting with the ones Obama put in place needs to be rescinded now and the US back off their regime change plans.

    They don't need charity or aid or regime change, they need the ability to conduct business with the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    One thing is for sure and it is that I will always be against US actions to overthrow any govt in the World. Also the part about Ukraine went over your head, the point is that the conditions of said countries get worse after US capture. Ukriane, Libya, Syria etc. Sanctions against Venezuela starting with the ones Obama put in place needs to be rescinded now and the US back off their regime change plans.

    They don't need charity or aid or regime change, they need the ability to conduct business with the world.
    I am also against US intervention but you are taking the side of a murderous communist dictator who stole control of the country when he lost an election, Maduro is more like the new regime in Ukraine than the old one.

    They need to change their own regime, we just shouldn't be involved.
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    https://twitter.com/DanielLMcAdams/s...549595136?s=19

    Last edited by kona; 01-23-2019 at 07:49 PM.

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    The US recognizes as president of Venezuela an individual who has not even run for the office of president of Venezuela, much less been elected. This is going to be Trump's Libya - and he deserves it for listening to his idiotic neocons!
    https://twitter.com/DanielLMcAdams/s...549595136?s=19

    Couldn't agree more with the tweet

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    https://twitter.com/DanielLMcAdams/s...549595136?s=19

    McAdams was wrong about the Yellow Vests and he is wrong here, Maduro rigged the last election and the opposition guy is the legitimate President according to their Constitution, the Speaker of our House is in line to become President without ever having run for that office too.

    We need to stay out of the fight down there but the opposition guy is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    The Euromaidan protests had way more people than that and the US/EU were able to sustain it for a few months before it achieved their goals. Look at how $#@!ed up Ukraine is now, is that what you want for Venezuela? The sanctions on Venezuela just like sanctions of say Iraq, Iran and Russia is mainly put in place to make the lives of the average citizen so unbearable that they overthrow the people in power.

    Some of that pressure is manifesting with the protests but I hope it fails. The imperialist US agenda for Venezuela must be defeated at all cost. If I knew a way to help, I will be helping those poor folks right now.

    I still call for the firing squad of traitors and coup organizers. Same thing I will be saying for anyone trying to depose your god emperor Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fedupinmo View Post
    Do you need someone to set up a GoFundMe for a plane ticket?
    Yes, I will need it for a plane ticket, room and board, working AK 47 and maybe another $1000 for a casket(closed casket ofc). So all in all, we are looking at $6000. Send it asap to my western union info and I will be on my way, the sooner the better.

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    This is how Hugo was born. A failed coup. A great man. Who will be in prison for years, only to return victorious?

    The shooting of protestors by agitators also occurred in the coup attempt against Hugo. In the end, his palace guards protected him.

    I don't think Maduro has anywhere near that level of charisma. Hugo was kind and foolish to choose Maduro. It was a nice gesture, to choose a commoner, a bus driver, to lead, as Hugo often did nice gestures. But Maduro was a very poor choice.

    Venezuela is way overdue for a political correction. The left has been playing some serious crazy constitutional tricks. And that inflation. The right wing in Venezuela is getting angry, and the left is getting complacent after their dramatic rise out of poverty. Without Hugo, it's just not the same.

    I bet some right wing globalist comes out on top in all this. Topsy turvy world it is becoming.

    Trump recognizes fake president as real president?

    Nation recognizes fake president as real president?

    Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I am also against US intervention but you are taking the side of a murderous communist dictator who stole control of the country when he lost an election, Maduro is more like the new regime in Ukraine than the old one.

    They need to change their own regime, we just shouldn't be involved.
    Please. Calling Maduro "murderous" and "communist" is complete and utter nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juleswin View Post
    Yes, I will need it for a plane ticket, room and board, working AK 47 and maybe another $1000 for a casket(closed casket ofc). So all in all, we are looking at $6000. Send it asap to my western union info and I will be on my way, the sooner the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    Please. Calling Maduro "murderous" and "communist" is complete and utter nonsense.
    No it isn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No it isn't
    It's unfounded hyperbole.

    And spare me your sideways stories about how he does things communist-like, and how some people were killed, and therefore it is Maduro's fault. Just spare me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    It's unfounded hyperbole.

    And spare me your sideways stories about how he does thing communist-like, and how some people were killed, and therefore it is Maduro's fault. Just spare me.
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