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"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Trump should have it at one of his hotels.
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
@realDonaldTrump Hold the SOTU speech outside in the freezing winter weather to save the taxpayers money and teach power drunk Nancy a lesson.
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
So when does Pelosi's wall construction around the Capitol building begin?
Prior to 1913 there were only 12 "in person" State of the Union speeches. In the early days, they were submitted in writing. There is no requirement that it be made in person and live. Only that the report is made. https://history.house.gov/Institutio...-of-the-Union/
State of the Union Address
Including President Donald J. Trump’s 2018 address, there have been a total of 95 in-person Annual Messages/State of the Union Addresses. Since President Woodrow Wilson’s 1913 address, there have been a total of 83 in-person addresses.
In 1945, President Franklin Roosevelt's address was read to a Joint Session of the House and Senate. Since the President did not deliver the address, it does not count as an in-person address.
Origins and Authorization
The formal basis for the State of the Union Address is from the U.S. Constitution:
The President “shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.” Article II, Section 3, Clause 1.
The constitutionally mandated presidential address has gone through a few name changes:
It was formally known as the Annual Message from 1790 to 1946.
It began to be informally called the "state of the Union" message/address from 1942 to 1946.
Since 1947 it has officially been known as the State of the Union Address.
Earlier Annual Messages of the President included agency budget requests and general reports on the health of the economy. During the 20th century, Congress required more-specialized reports on these two aspects, separate from the Annual Message.
Budget Message, required by the National Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 (42 Stat. 20) to be delivered to Congress no more than two weeks after Congress convenes in January.
Economic Report, required by the Employment Act of 1946 (60 Stat. 23), with a flexible delivery date.
Over time, as the message content changed, the focus of the State of the Union also changed:
In the 19th century, the annual message was both a lengthy administrative report on the various departments of the executive branch and a budget and economic message.
After 1913, when Woodrow Wilson revived the practice of presenting the message to Congress in person, it became a platform for the President to rally support for his agenda.
Technological changes—radio, television, and the Internet—further developed the State of the Union into a forum for the President to speak directly to the American people.
Technological Change
First radio broadcast of Message: President Calvin Coolidge, 1923.
First television broadcast of Message: President Harry Truman, 1947.
First televised evening delivery of Message: President Lyndon Johnson, 1965.
First live webcast on Internet: President George W. Bush, 2002.
First high definition television broadcast of Message, President George W. Bush, 2004.
Record Holders
The longest: President James Earl (Jimmy) Carter 33,667 words in 1981 (written). President William J. (Bill) Clinton 9,190 words in 1995 (spoken).1
The shortest: President George Washington, 1790, 1,089 words.2
Average length: 19th century was about 10,000 words; late 20th century, about 5,000 words.
Most Messages/Addresses given: President Franklin Roosevelt, 12 (10 were personal appearances before Congress).
Fewest Messages/Addresses given: President Zachary Taylor, 1; President William Henry Harrison, 0; President James A. Garfield, 0.
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...id=recommended
He could also deliver it from the White House but would miss out Republicans cheering during the speech.As a practical matter, the speaker of the House has control over the chamber, including when it is open and when the president can speak there.
For Trump to speak there, the House and Senate have to pass a joint resolution providing for the use of the floor for that purpose.
Media is suddenly pushing news suggesting shutdown may end before SOTU, have not confirmed as non-fakenews:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6739763
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b025aa26be7e3c
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One minute you're debunking the myth that the tradition of a live speech is a mandatory annual event. The next minute you're repeating MSM propaganda predicated on the myth that the SOTU can only be delivered to a joint session of Congress.
The Senate doesn't require the House's permission to use their own chamber for anything, nor to listen to anybody.
My second post says that if he wants to do it before a joint session, it requires authorization. No conflict. It does not say he has to do it there. You are right, the Senate could decide to host it. He could hold a public rally someplace too if he wants. The fight over the speech is silly but there is a power struggle going on between Trump and the Democrat controlled House. That is what the whole thing is all about (including the shutdown- it isn't really about border security or the wall).
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