Results 1 to 26 of 26

Thread: Washington fears new threat from 'deepfake' videos

  1. #1

    Washington fears new threat from 'deepfake' videos

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-...eepfake-videos

    01/20/19

    Lawmakers and experts are sounding the alarm about "deepfakes," forged videos that look remarkably real, warning they will be the next phase in disinformation campaigns.

    The manipulated videos make it difficult to distinguish between fact and fiction, as artificial intelligence technology produces fake content that looks increasingly real.

    The issue has the attention of lawmakers from both parties on Capitol Hill.

    “It is almost too late to sound the alarm before this technology is released — it has been unleashed … and now we are playing a bit of defense,” Senate Intelligence Committee Vice Chairman Mark Warner (D-Va.) told The Hill.

    Asked whether this is the next phase of disinformation campaigns, Warner replied "Absolutely."

    Experts say it is only a matter of time before advances in artificial intelligence technology and the proliferation of those tools allow any online user to create deepfakes.

    “It is regarded by political and technology experts as the next weapon in the disinformation warfare,” Fabrice Pothier, senior advisor with the Transatlantic Commission on Election Integrity, told The Hill.

    Pothier worries that technological advances will make it harder to detect false or doctored videos.

    “I think it is probably going to be very hard to just use the human eye to distinguish something that is fake from something that is real,” he said.

    Intelligence experts say the threat from deepfakes is immense and warn of potentially dangerous scenarios if the technology to create them is not reined in.

    “This technology should be considered criminal, counterterrorism or even counterespionage behavior,” said Bob Anderson, principal at The Chertoff Group.

    For example, experts posed hypotheticals such as terrorist groups ISIS or al Qaeda manufacturing videos of American soldiers creating atrocities on the battlefield as propaganda; videos falsely showing political candidates making controversial remarks before an election; or CEOs announcing incorrect financial projections.

    The fallout from such scenarios could be disastrous.

    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, warned that the threat needs to be taken seriously.

    “America’s enemies are already using fake images to sow discontent and divide us. Now imagine the power of a video that appears to show stolen ballots, salacious comments from a political leader, or innocent civilians killed in conflict abroad,” Rubio told The Hill in a statement.

    Peter Singer, a fellow studying war and technology at New America, said deepfakes will “definitely be weaponized” whether it is for “poisoning domestic politics” or by hostile nation-state actors to gain an edge on the battlefield.

    Hany Farid, a computer science professor at Dartmouth College, said many forces are coming together to create a “perfect storm” to facilitate the rapid spread of fake content.

    “We have the ability to create misinformation. We have the ability to easily distribute it widely. And then we have a welcoming public that is going to consume what is circulating around without giving it a second thought,” Farid told The Hill.

    The 24-hour news cycle and expansion of social media platforms will only compound the problem, experts say.

    Deepfakes are already here, including one prominent incident involving actress Scarlett Johansson. Johansson was victimized by deepfakes that doctored her face onto pornographic videos.

    “Nothing can stop someone from cutting and pasting my image or anyone else’s onto a different body and making it look as eerily realistic as desired,” she told The Washington Post in December, calling the issue a “lost cause.”

    Other women who are less well known have recounted similar harrowing stories, claiming videos were produced for sinister intentions ranging from revenge to humiliation.

    “Once it gets more widespread and cheaper, anyone can do it,” Pothier added, predicting that could be the case in as little as one or two years.

    Experts also pointed to the reaction from other manipulated data to highlight the threat.

    Last year, a doctored image purported to show a gun control advocate who survived the shooting at Parkland high school tearing up a copy of the Constitution. The actual undoctored image was of the activist tearing up a bullseye from a gun range.

    Gun rights activists and Russian trolls, though, helped spread the false image, said Singer.

    Other cases have resulted in bloodshed. Last year, Myanmar's military is believed to have pushed fake news fanning anti-Muslim sentiment on Facebook that ignited a wave of killings in the country.

    Experts and lawmakers said they expect a technological race between the tools used to create deepfakes and methods to counter them.

    Warner says the solution requires collaboration between the tech community and policymakers. Attempts to legislate the issue could quickly become ineffective as technology changes.

    “If we just do this legislatively without active involvement of technology companies, we are not going to get it right,” Warner warned.

    Pothier said his group, which aims to combat election interference, is working with the London-based artificial intelligence firm ASI Data Science to develop a program that any user could run to determine "whether a video or audio file is a deepfake or not.”

    Experts and lawmakers also discussed requiring manipulated videos to have a disclaimer noting they are edited.

    Pothier said the notification could be like disclosures on campaign ads detailing who funded the advertisement.

    Warner indicated to The Hill that he may introduce deepfake legislation which would include measures on validating identities.

    Some experts said tech companies must also take more responsibility to remove fake content from their platforms.

    Singer said one idea, which he jokingly referred to as the " 'Blade Runner' rule," is the concept that the public should have a “right to know whether you are interacting whether you are interacting with a robot or not, or with something that is fake or not.”

    Farid noted that many platforms are already “unmanageable” and don’t have the infrastructure in place to quickly take down forged media.

    It's also an unprecedented challenge due to the growth of the internet. For example, 400 hours of video are uploaded every minute to YouTube and 350,000 tweets sent per minute on Twitter.

    Farid also argued that firms are not incentivized to remove this type of content.

    “Let’s stop pretending like Silicon Valley is not exactly like every other industry in the world, they are,” he said.

    The Pentagon, in particular its Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), is also working on programs to help rapidly identify whether content is a deepfake.

    There is also the question of legal recourse, which remains a gray area. Some argue there should be a way for victims to push back, while others will say the content is protected under the First Amendment.

    “You could regulate commercial speech and fraudulent speech — there may be areas where the A.I. technology is used for parody that are protected. But if the intent is to deceive, there is nothing that I think that protects that type of abusive practice,” Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, told The Hill.

    Farid said First Amendment speech must be balanced with the new, emerging challenges of maintaining online security.

    “What do we want to do about the people creating pornographic videos with Scarlett Johansson's face superimposed on other people? Is that something we want to allow legally in society. We need to think about that,” he said.

    Those legal questions are certain to grow as more sophisticated deepfakes go online.

    Other countries are already working to ban deepfakes.

    Australia, Farid noted, banned such content after a woman was victimized by fakes nudes and the United Kingdom is also working on legislation.

    Singer, however, threw cold water on the idea of an outright ban, noting that there are positive aspects to the technology, citing its innovative use by the advertising, marketing and film industries.

    One such example, he noted was the use of AI to create a realistic image of a young Harrison Ford instead of using a less convincing look-a-like actor in the Star Wars movie “Solo.”

    The debate over deepfakes and doctored content is only intensifying.

    Warner and other lawmakers say the U.S. must be better prepared to combat potential threats than they were in 2016 or even the 2018 midterms.

    But for all of the focus on government and tech companies, Farid said the public must also share responsibility.

    “We have to stop being so gullible and stupid of how we consume content online,” Farid said.

    “Frankly, we are all part of the fake news phenomenon.”



  2. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  3. #2
    They released the tech on purpose, now they can try to claim that real videos are deepfakes.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  4. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They released the tech on purpose, now they can try to claim that real videos are deepfakes.
    It's not easy to catch a greasy weasel.

  5. #4
    Photoshop is a weapon of meme construction.

  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They released the tech on purpose, now they can try to claim that real videos are deepfakes.
    They? You mean the various digital companies, lead by the movie industry which has been working on improving special effects since movies got created? Or perhaps you mean the video game companies which nowadays also use many of the same tools as the movie industry? The various digital trade rags go into detail on using programs for all sorts of purposes. The ever increasing computer power makes tasks easier and easier.

    Movies and video games each do over 40 billion a year. They both want photo realistic special effects. Sorry, no nefarious 'they' here. This is the free market making very good tools for large industries.
    “…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned

    BTC: 1AFbCLYU3G1dkbsSJnk3spWeEwpqYVC2Pq

  7. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    They? You mean the various digital companies, lead by the movie industry which has been working on improving special effects since movies got created? Or perhaps you mean the video game companies which nowadays also use many of the same tools as the movie industry? The various digital trade rags go into detail on using programs for all sorts of purposes. The ever increasing computer power makes tasks easier and easier.

    Movies and video games each do over 40 billion a year. They both want photo realistic special effects. Sorry, no nefarious 'they' here. This is the free market making very good tools for large industries.
    You totally missed the point Swordsmith was making.

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    They? You mean the various digital companies, lead by the movie industry which has been working on improving special effects since movies got created? Or perhaps you mean the video game companies which nowadays also use many of the same tools as the movie industry? The various digital trade rags go into detail on using programs for all sorts of purposes. The ever increasing computer power makes tasks easier and easier.

    Movies and video games each do over 40 billion a year. They both want photo realistic special effects. Sorry, no nefarious 'they' here. This is the free market making very good tools for large industries.
    In-Q-tel
    Look it up.

    The tech industry is an arm of the MIC.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  9. #8
    Fake news does not like competition from fake news.



  10. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  11. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Fake news does not like competition from fake news.
    Or to put it the way Ron Paul's desk sign did, the government hates competition.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  12. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Or to put it the way Ron Paul's desk sign did, the government hates competition.
    Pfft. Who cares what that crazy old man did... we're busy Making America Great Again around here, pal.

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Pfft. Who cares what that crazy old man did... we're busy Making America Great Again around here, pal.
    There are lots of people around here who seem to care what a crazy old man does. And they keep trying to dream up scenarios where he's crazy like a fox, rather than crazy like a psycho.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  14. #12
    In a few years everyone will have a public sex tape whether they want to or not. Maybe Americans will get over their fear of all things genitalia then?
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    In a few years everyone will have a public sex tape whether they want to or not. Maybe Americans will get over their fear of all things genitalia then?
    They always move on to advocating for everyone else to be forced to join them in their abominations.

    Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned

    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by idiom View Post
    In a few years everyone will have a public sex tape whether they want to or not. Maybe Americans will get over their fear of all things genitalia then?
    Then I guess I'll just stick to being a virgin then for the rest of my life.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  17. #15
    Analog film or it didn't happen.

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Analog film or it didn't happen.
    If there's no negative it ain't proof!
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.



  19. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    If there's no negative it ain't proof!
    War is peace
    Freedom is slavery
    Ignorance is strength
    Negatives are truth

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Bern View Post
    Analog film or it didn't happen.
    I have long thought that real film would make a comeback due to this kind of issue.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They always move on to advocating for everyone else to be forced to join them in their abominations.
    Everyone will have a heterosexual sex tape whether they are straight or not.
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Then I guess I'll just stick to being a virgin then for the rest of my life.
    You genuinely don't get the concept of a deep fake.
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

  24. #21
    This will be you pretty soon. This will be do-able with a phone app.

    On the upside nobody will ever want to see an authentic leaked sextape cuz it will look like $#@! compared to your AI made sex tape.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MBJIve4Ccg
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

  25. #22
    Refresh this page a few times. None of these people are real, they are being *generated* every two seconds

    https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/
    In New Zealand:
    The Coastguard is a Charity
    Air Traffic Control is a private company run on user fees
    The DMV is a private non-profit
    Rescue helicopters and ambulances are operated by charities and are plastered with corporate logos
    The agriculture industry has zero subsidies
    5% of the national vote, gets you 5 seats in Parliament
    A tax return has 4 fields
    Business licenses aren't a thing
    Prostitution is legal
    We have a constitutional right to refuse any type of medical care

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    They? You mean the various digital companies, lead by the movie industry which has been working on improving special effects since movies got created? Or perhaps you mean the video game companies which nowadays also use many of the same tools as the movie industry? The various digital trade rags go into detail on using programs for all sorts of purposes. The ever increasing computer power makes tasks easier and easier.

    Movies and video games each do over 40 billion a year. They both want photo realistic special effects. Sorry, no nefarious 'they' here. This is the free market making very good tools for large industries.
    FORZA rules the universe with its racing games...

  27. #24
    Deepfakes are coming. We’re not ready.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/14/deepfakes-are-coming-were-not-ready/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.490b0555bf21

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows



  28. Remove this section of ads by registering.
  29. #25
    It bears repeating:

    Originally Posted by Swordsmyth

    They released the tech on purpose, now they can try to claim that real videos are deepfakes.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It bears repeating:
    ... yep, all towards the same end... keep the masses confused.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows



Similar Threads

  1. The Greatest Threat - Washington's Madness
    By AZJoe in forum World News & Affairs
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 05-21-2016, 11:01 PM
  2. DARPA Fears Big Data Could Become Big Threat
    By DamianTV in forum U.S. Political News
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-14-2013, 03:14 PM
  3. Replies: 33
    Last Post: 04-26-2012, 03:57 PM
  4. Washington Press Corps -- Fears layoffs with President Paul
    By GunnyFreedom in forum U.S. Political News
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01-07-2012, 12:48 AM
  5. Google Proves Washington DC Fears Recession!
    By ronpaul.in in forum Economy & Markets
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-28-2008, 09:50 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •