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    DC restaurant fined $7k for questioning transgender activist who used women's restroom

    Washington, D.C., restaurant Cuba Libre has been hit with a $7,000 fine after questioning a transgender activist who used its women's restroom and a manager tried to insist the patron show identification proving to be female.

    On June 22, Charlotte Clymer went to the restaurant to attend a bachelorette party for a friend. Clymer identifies as a woman and made the transition from being a man in November 2017.
    According to Clymer's account of the June incident to MetroWeekly, when she went to use the women's restroom at Cuba Libre, an employee stopped her and asked for her to show identification. Clymer refused and used the women's facility. Upon exiting, she was approached by the same employee and a manager who insisted that, according to D.C. law, a person must be designated as a "female" on their ID in order to use a women's restroom in the city.
    Clymer — who works in communications for the LGBT advocacy group Human Rights Campaign — argued that she was, indeed, protected under D.C. law and pulled the legislation up on her phone. The next day, Clymer claimed via social media that she had been "forcibly removed from the restaurant."
    Clymer used her Twitter platform to stress the alleged hostility of the Cuba Libre manager and explained that she felt compelled to expose the "violent nature" of the incident in hopes that it would prevent discrimination against other transgender individuals who might not have her level of privilege.
    I cannot stress enough the intentionality of this incident. The manager was hostile, condescending, and hateful. And my biggest fear is that this will happen again to someone without my privilege. Someone who's not white, doesn't have a wide network, doesn't know the law, etc.
    — Charlotte Clymer🏳️🌈 (@cmclymer) June 24, 2018
    So, this weekend, I have tried my best to articulate this story and communicate the violent nature of what took place on Friday night while also trying to be present for my friends and what was meant to be a celebratory weekend with girlfriends.
    — Charlotte Clymer🏳️🌈 (@cmclymer) June 24, 2018
    Clymer hired a law firm to represent her in filing a civil rights complaint against the restaurant, prompting an investigation from D.C.'s office of the attorney general.


    D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine announced Wednesday that the restaurant had violated the District's Human Rights Act by failing to have a written policy ensuring compliance "with regard to restroom facilities" and "did not provide adequate training to employees." The restaurant was issued a fine, ordered to implement new training for staff, and has agreed to "post clear signage that, under D.C. law, everyone is allowed to use the restroom that matches their gender identity or expression."

    More at: https://www.theblaze.com/news/dc-res...tioning-gender
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    according to D.C. law, a person must be designated as a "female" on their ID in order to use a women's restroom in the city.
    Do we really need to be checking IDs of people who want to use the restroom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Do we really need to be checking IDs of people who want to use the restroom?
    A private business can do whatever it wants to protect its customers from freaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    A private business can do whatever it wants to protect its customers from freaks.
    Exactly.

    Perfect example, if the owner witnessed young girls had entered the bathroom and a short while later what looked like a male or freak entered the same bathroom. Going in or stopping before hand is exactly what one would expect the parents, restaurant owner or patrons to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Exactly.

    Perfect example, if the owner witnessed young girls had entered the bathroom and a short while later what looked like a male or freak entered the same bathroom. Going in or stopping before hand is exactly what one would expect the parents, restaurant owner or patrons to do.
    Did the girls present their IDs? They could have been boys trying to sneak in and spy on girls. Do we need "bathroom cops"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Did the girls present their IDs? They could have been boys trying to sneak in and spy on girls. Do we need "bathroom cops"?
    Whatever happened to discretion? Obviously the girls used the restroom without causing a scene. Someone who is labeled a "transgender activist" is obviously after attention and got it. Most Americans could give a damn who goes in what bathroom if that person acts appropriately. If this activist caused such a scene, I don't blame the owner for asking for ID.
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    Pretty soon the only people that will frequent public places will be freaks, perverts and activists at this rate.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Did the girls present their IDs? They could have been boys trying to sneak in and spy on girls. Do we need "bathroom cops"?
    It is within the RIGHTS of the OWNER to make subjective decisions based on the appearance of those using his restrooms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Pretty soon the only people that will frequent public places will be freaks, perverts and activists at this rate.
    That's exactly the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    That's exactly the point.
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    Hey hey! Ho ho!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    Whatever happened to discretion? Obviously the girls used the restroom without causing a scene. Someone who is labeled a "transgender activist" is obviously after attention and got it. Most Americans could give a damn who goes in what bathroom if that person acts appropriately. If this activist caused such a scene, I don't blame the owner for asking for ID.
    Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

    https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/...mens-restroom/

    Around midnight, she attempted to use the women’s restroom, when an attendant allegedly asked to see her ID, saying that it must note “female” in order for her to use the restroom. No one else was asked for identification, according to Clymer.

    “This is a packed hallway in a packed club/restaurant, and this random staff person specifically picks me out to ask for ID. I told him that’s nonsense, turned on my heel, and continued into the restroom,” Clymer wrote. “I go into a stall to do my business, and I hear him walk in and search for me in this busy restroom full of women. He is doing everything but opening the stall doors. I ignore him, and after a few moments, he leaves. I do my business, wash my hands, and walk out.”

    As she exited the restroom, Clymer claims she was accosted by the attendant and the manager, who both allegedly told her that it’s District law that she has to have “female” on her identification to use the women’s restroom. Clymer again declined to show her ID, and notified both that they were wrong about the law. (Under D.C.’s Human Rights Act, transgender people are allowed to use facilities that match their gender identity, and it is illegal for places of public accommodation to discriminate against them solely on the basis of said gender identity.)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

    https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/...mens-restroom/




    HE is a scene.
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    D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine announced Wednesday that the restaurant had violated the District's Human Rights Act by failing to have a written policy ensuring compliance "with regard to restroom facilities" and "did not provide adequate training to employees." The restaurant was issued a [$7,000.00] fine, ordered to implement new training for staff, and has agreed to "post clear signage that, under D.C. law, everyone is allowed to use the restroom that matches their gender identity or expression."
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Do we need "bathroom cops"?
    Good question. Why don't you go ask Karl Racine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

    https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/...mens-restroom/




    I have no idea. But if I am forced to take the word of any business owner over any "activist" (especially any activist these days) I will side with the owner. And that includes a transgender gay bar owner who throws out an activist for looking too Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Did the girls present their IDs? They could have been boys trying to sneak in and spy on girls. Do we need "bathroom cops"?
    That is part of the freak show, eventually if we let the show continue , DHS will have an excuse to be in
    every bathroom in America, eventually your own home, or dhs cameras installed.
    This was obvious the day Target Stores began catering to them (the freaks).



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

    https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/...mens-restroom/



    A man is not a woman and visa versa, they never will be what they aren't , all
    your surgery and paper work will never change that fact, call yourself what you
    please, but if you were born male, you are still male.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    That is part of the freak show, eventually if we let the show continue , DHS will have an excuse to be in
    every bathroom in America, eventually your own home, or dhs cameras installed.
    This was obvious the day Target Stores began catering to them (the freaks).
    So we need more surveillance to be sure everybody is in the proper place. "I don't believe you are a man/ citizen/ Christian/ Republican. Papers please!

    Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.

    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-19-2019 at 05:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So we need more surveillance to be sure everybody is in the proper place. "I don't believe you are a man/ citizen/ Christian/ Republican. Papers please!

    Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.
    You want surveillance so we can keep the freak show alive?

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    Where I live they can just ask you to leave and you will . There are no fines . That is unamerican .
    Last edited by oyarde; 01-19-2019 at 05:57 PM.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    You want surveillance so we can keep the freak show alive?
    I don't care what people are doing as long as they aren't forcing themselves on others. That is freedom. Or you can try to keep yourself apart and give up freedoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

    https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/...mens-restroom/




    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Do we really need to be checking IDs of people who want to use the restroom?
    Nope. I don't need to see the ID to tell that's a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So we need more surveillance to be sure everybody is in the proper place. "I don't believe you are a man/ citizen/ Christian/ Republican. Papers please!

    Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.
    You never had the freedom to use a restroom that a business owner didn't want you to use and the owner always had an absolute right to surveil his property.
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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine announced Wednesday that the restaurant had violated the District's Human Rights Act by failing to have a written policy ensuring compliance "with regard to restroom facilities" and "did not provide adequate training to employees." The restaurant was issued a [$7,000.00] fine, ordered to implement new training for staff, and has agreed to "post clear signage that, under D.C. law, everyone is allowed to use the restroom that matches their gender identity or expression."
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.
    Good advice. Why don't you go tell it to Karl Racine?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I don't care what people are doing as long as they aren't forcing themselves on others. That is freedom. Or you can try to keep yourself apart and give up freedoms.
    The thing is forcing HIMself on the business owner.
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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    I don't care what people are doing as long as they aren't forcing themselves on others. That is freedom. Or you can try to keep yourself apart and give up freedoms.
    Freedom is being allowed to associate with real people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Freedom is being allowed to associate with real people.
    This person was denied freedom of association.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Nope. I don't need to see the ID to tell that's a man.
    Seems no other people were in doubt as well .
    Do something Danke

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    D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine announced Wednesday that the restaurant had violated the District's Human Rights Act by failing to have a written policy [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Papers please!

    The restaurant was issued a [$7,000.00] fine, ordered to implement new training for staff, and has agreed to "post clear signage [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    So we need more surveillance to be sure everybody is in the proper place. "I don't believe you are a man/ citizen/ Christian/ Republican. Papers please!

    Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.
    You are talking about less freedoms? One person was told by the owner of a business to use an appropriate bathroom. The other was fined $7000 by the government for running HIS business HIS way.
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