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Replacing Nancy Peyote with Obama's Dog, he will assert that
the dog will uphold our constitution and smells better.
On the next Apprentice : White House edition, a surprise announcement keeps everyone on their toes.
We have had a number of disappointing big announcements. The bottom of the pile would be when candidate Trump dismissed his years of birther research in a hasty press conference.
My guess : He's going to give his state of the union at a political rally location of his choosing
“…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned
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DACA for wall. A compromise every one can walk away from with money in their pockets.
Seems that way.
There are rumors he will be offering Dems a deal, could be related to these recent developments.
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Just to Troll:
1. Make no deal and widen the shutdown.
2. Place multiple ads on social media with footage of Schumer himself campaigning for the wall under Obummer's presidency.
3. Give a National Address with a deadline for THEM to end the shutdown and to fund the wall THEY wanted under Obama.
4. If the deadline passes, announce that he himself will be reopening the government for the People, and funding The Schumer Wall with emergency monies, condemning their subversion, but thanking them for the wall "blueprint" much like Obama did for Romneycare.
What I wish would happen.
1. Leave it shutdown forever.
2. See step 1.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-promise...090000368.html
(Bloomberg) -- President Donald Trump “major announcement” on Saturday will include a proposal to extend protections for so-called Dreamers for three years, in exchange for $5.7 billion in funds for border security, said a person familiar with the proposal.
As well as protections for Dreamers, young people brought to the U.S. illegally as children, the plan would also extend the visas for Temporary Protection Status holders, though it’s unclear for how long.
Trump’s concessions, expected to be outlined in a speech at 4 p.m. on Saturday, are aimed at getting Democrats back to the negotiating table in a bid to end a partial government shutdown now into its fifth week.
The Creature from Jekyll Island:
We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!
"Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary." -- H. L. Mencken
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"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
But in order to work, the free market requires a culture of liberty - which we are sadly lacking.
Instead of businesses exploiting the opportunities allegedly afforded by the so-called "government shutdown", we have businesses sticking their thumbs up their butts and complaining about how they can't get permission slips from the proper authorities ...
Trump had a very publicized meeting in the White House with members of Congress and said he would sign a DACA bill (he actually said "yes" to all positions on DACA so there was confusion about exactly where he stood). Congress will be skeptical of any new offer for a deal on DACA.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...s-daca/550100/
Trump's Remarkable Immigration Meeting
The president let the cameras roll as he negotiated a DACA deal with Congress. True to form, he said yes to everyone but left lawmakers without the direction they sought.
There was nothing more President Trump could have done to more clearly illustrate the vexing politics of the immigration debate or the often maddening way he manages Congress than the remarkable public meeting he held with lawmakers at the White House on Tuesday.
The president convened a bipartisan group of more than two dozen members of the House and Senate in the Roosevelt Room to discuss a possible resolution for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program—the Obama-era protections for 700,000 young immigrants that Trump has said will end in March without congressional action.
Yet over nearly an hour, and with television cameras running, Trump took nearly every conceivable position in the debate: He backed a “clean” bill to extend DACA, protect the so-called “Dreamers,” and bolster border security, absent the more controversial immigration measures conservatives want; then, he said he’d “take the heat” for a more comprehensive immigration overhaul along the lines of what Trump had denounced as a candidate in 2016; later, he demanded that Congress fund the southern border wall as part of the initial DACA deal, reinserting the wrench that has held up the immigration talks for weeks.
Finally, Trump said he’d sign whatever immigration bill Congress could send him. “I’m not saying I want this or I want that. I will sign it,” he told the group.
By the time the president finally kicked reporters out of the meeting, he had said yes to everyone while clarifying virtually nothing. And what was undeniably a victory for government transparency had turned into another frustrating experience for Republicans, who repeatedly implored Trump to tell them exactly what he would accept in a DACA bill.
“I’m not going to support a bill unless you support it,” Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, an erstwhile-Trump-critic-turned-ally, bluntly told the president at one point. “You have created an opportunity, Mr. President, and you need to close the deal.”
In the four months since the president first suggested to Democrats that he would support a trade of permanent protections for Dreamers in exchange for enhanced border security, he has wavered on the details. At times, he’s backed the hardline demands of his senior adviser, Stephen Miller, and conservative hawks in Congress who want both a border wall and separate measures to tighten interior enforcement and limit legal immigration. Other times, Trump has suggested those debates could be saved for later.
Both sides of the president were on display on Tuesday. He talked at length about the need for a border wall and an end to “chain migration,” but he also called for “a bill of love” in rhetoric reminiscent of a vanquished Republican rival, Jeb Bush. While presidents have held meetings with lawmakers in public before—Barack Obama held a daylong health-care summit in 2010—they tend to be rather staid affairs replete with prepared statements and rote talking points. But Tuesday’s confab was different, because Trump did not tell the lawmakers he planned to keep the press in the room. As a result, they had few talking points to fall back on, forcing them into a more candid exchange with the famously freewheeling president. It felt, at times, like a real negotiation.
And in a display that came days after Trump felt it necessary to proclaim his fitness for office and call himself “a very stable genius,” he held forth in a way that demonstrated he has a basic understanding of the immigration issue but is not conversant on the details and jargon that lawmakers have been negotiating on and off for years. When Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein of California suggested that Congress first pass “a clean DACA bill now” and then pivot to a more comprehensive proposal, Trump eagerly agreed. “I would like that,” he replied. “I think a lot of people would like to see that.”
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/23/polit...ump/index.html
January 9: Trump holds bipartisan meeting at the White House that cameras televise for nearly an hour. He indicates multiple times he is willing to compromise on DACA, despite some contradictions within the meetings, and says "when this group comes back -- hopefully with an agreement -- this group and others from the Senate, from the House, comes back with an agreement, I'm signing it." The so-called "four pillars" also come out of this meeting -- that a deal shall include DACA, family-based migration, the diversity lottery and border security.
January 9: Federal court puts hold on Trump's plan to end DACA, ordering renewals of permits to continue but no new applications.
January 11: After months of meetings, Democrat Dick Durbin and Republican Lindsey Graham go to the White House to propose to Trump a compromise worked out by their group of six bipartisan senators. The offer includes a path to citizenship for eligible young immigrants, the first year of Trump's border wall funding, ending the diversity visa lottery and reallocating those visas, and restricting the ability of former DACA recipients to sponsor family.
Trump and the White House invite hardline Republicans to the meeting and he rejects the deal, making his now-infamous "$#@!hole countries" comment in the process.
January 19: House before a government funding deadline, Schumer and Trump meet for lunch at the White House. Schumer offered Trump the upwards of $20 billion he wanted for his border wall in exchange for a pathway to citizenship for the eligible immigrant population. The deal is rejected, and government shuts down at midnight.
January 22: Government reopens after Republicans Graham and Jeff Flake secure a public commitment from Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell to hold a future immigration floor vote. Bipartisan negotiations resume.
January 25: White House releases its proposal for a DACA deal under the four pillars, which includes a generous path to citizenship for eligible immigrants, but also a number of impossible-to-swallow provisions for Democrats and some Republicans under the auspices of family-based migration and border security.
February 14: A bipartisan group of senators unveils a compromise plan, which includes $25 billion for the border, a pathway to citizenship for the immigrants, cuts to one slim category of family-based migration and prevents the parents who brought their children to the US illegally from ever being sponsored for citizenship by those children.
February 15: White House goes all out to stop the bipartisan compromise deal, which fails to get the necessary 60 votes in the Senate, with 54 votes.
February 26: Supreme Court declines to take up an immediate appeal of court decisions resuming DACA renewals, ensuring no deportations of DACA recipients for months and taking pressure of Congress.
March 14: With roughly a week to go before the major government spending package known as the omnibus must pass, White House suddenly signals a desire for a DACA-border deal. Publicly, the White House says they oppose a temporary fix.
March 22: Congress passes an omnibus without DACA, virtually ensuring it will not be addressed before midterms.
March 23: Trump signs the omnibus, rails on Democrats for, he says, not caring about DACA.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 01-19-2019 at 02:42 PM.
In the 1st place it is just a rumor and in the 2nd if you read the article it says the Demoncrats won't take the offer and Trump knows they won't take the offer.
If he even does make such an offer it is to expose that the Demoncrats won't make ANY deal that includes increased border security.
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You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
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Yep, they just finished the first ever naturalization ceremony in the Oval Office and Trump's announcement is coming in 10 minutes. Dunno if it'll lead to anything concrete but it'll get Republicans to support, or at least not oppose, DACA/Refugees/H1B in exchange for the wall that'll never happen. Danglin' that carrot over and over...
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul
"We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book
Speech detail has been leaked to press:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post6737770
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Poll: Should US apologize for financing radicalization of Afghan children in 80s?
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Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
The deal is dead. Thank god.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
This is actually all Trump's fault. He signed that 1.3 trillion bloated Omnibus bill last March and got nothing, while Republicans held both chambers. Good job, chess master. You could have gotten 50 billion for the wall, if you weren't so ignorant and gullible.
Last edited by AuH20; 01-19-2019 at 03:18 PM.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Yup, three years of amnesty for DACA and TPS people
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
One year ago, Trump rejected a bill which would have given him $25 billion for his wall in exchange for DACA protections. Now he is only asking for one fifth of that.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/02/trum...wall-bill.html
Trump has rejected some proposals to offer up to $25 billion in border security funding in exchange for legal protections and a path to citizenship for up to 1.8 million young immigrants. He harshly criticized a bipartisan Senate bill to do so, which came up short with 54 votes in February.
If there is amnesty , this will be the last straw.
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