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    CONFIRMED: President Trump Can Start Laying Off Furloughed Workers After 30 Days

    President Donald Trump’s administration will have the option to lay off all furloughed government workers after their furlough reaches 30 days.

    President Trump can save taxpayers more than $1 billion per week if he lays off the approximately 800,000 non-essential government workers who are not getting paid. That would save enough money to cover the cost of Trump’s wall in six weeks, or three pay periods.
    The trade site The Balance Careers previously published an explainer on the “Reduction in Force” (RIF) procedures, documenting:
    The US Office of Personnel Management is responsible for overseeing RIFs by federal agencies. These agencies may choose when they want to implement a RIF, but they must follow the rules set forth by OPM.


    In deciding who stays and who goes, federal agencies must take four factors into account:

    1. Tenure
    2. Veteran status
    3, Total federal civilian and military service
    4. Performance
    Agencies cannot use RIF procedures to fire bad employees. Adverse personnel actions must be taken on an individual basis. While performance is a factor in RIFs, it is only one factor. Agencies can’t simply get rid of their lowest performers.


    When agencies furlough employees for more than 30 calendar days or 22 discontinuous work days, they must use RIF procedures.
    An employee can be terminated or moved into an available position. The new position does not have to be at the same pay grade, but it does have to be within three grades or grade intervals of an employee’s current position. There can be a series of “bumping” that can go on as employees are placed in lower positions displacing employees in filled positions.
    Agencies must give employees 60 days notice before being terminated. In extreme circumstances, OPM can allow agencies to give as little as 30 days notice.
    If employees believe they have been unfairly treated, they can file an appeal with the Merit System Protection Board. The appeal must be filed within 30 days of the RIF action.

    More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/confir...rce-procedure/
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    swordsmyth, where do you place chances of MAGA doing what your thread title confirms he can?

    Allow me to say it's 0%.




    President Trump Signs Back Pay Bill
    President Donald Trump has signed the bill guaranteeing back pay for the furloughed federal government workers, which underscores the reason for this shutdown: Democrats refusing to provide $5.7 billion in funds for President Trump’s southern border wall.

    White House reverses course on food stamp funding
    01/08/2019
    Trump administration officials said Tuesday that the Agriculture Department will be able to pay out food stamp benefits for the entire month of February — tamping down fears that the partial government shutdown could have resulted in rationing or halting of benefits. The assurance that the food stamp program, which serves nearly 39 million people, would be on secure financial footing for February marked another major reversal from the administration in the ongoing shutdown fight.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...nefits-1069641

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    1. Tenure
    2. Veteran status
    3, Total federal civilian and military service
    4. Performance
    How about just starting with nonessential employees?

    Agencies cannot use RIF procedures to fire bad employees.

    But number 4 in the above quote cited performance.
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    https://federalnewsnetwork.com/gover...days-omb-says/

    Furloughed feds won’t be RIFed if government shutdown extends past 30 days, OMB says

    Agencies won’t need to consider targeted layoffs, otherwise known as reductions-in-force (RIFs), if the current partial government shutdown continues for another few days.

    While federal statute typically instructs agencies to RIF targeted groups of employees who have been placed on furlough status for 30 days or more, the regulations don’t apply to emergency furlough situations, the Office of Management and Budget confirmed Tuesday.

    Some astute Federal News Network readers had questioned whether their agencies could RIF furloughed employees if the current government shutdown, now at 25 days and counting, hits the 30-day mark.

    There are two kinds of furloughs. “Administrative furloughs” are planned events by an agency “designed to absorb reductions necessitated by downsizing, reduced funding, lack of work or any budget situation other than a lapse in appropriations,” according to the Office of Personnel Management.

    “Shutdown furloughs,” also called “emergency furloughs,” occur during lapses in appropriations.

    OPM’s 2015 guidance on shutdown furloughs also clarifies the matter.

    “Reductions in force furlough regulations and SES competitive furlough requirements are not applicable to emergency shutdown furloughs because the ultimate duration of an emergency shutdown furlough is unknown at the outset and is dependent entirely on congressional action, rather than agency action,” OPM guidance reads. “The RIF furlough regulations and SES competitive furlough requirements, on the other hand, contemplate planned, foreseeable, money-saving furloughs that, at the outset, are planned to exceed 30 days.”

    Title 5 statute describes how and when agencies should consider laying off certain groups of employees from their competitive levels if a furlough lasts more than 30 says, or due to a demotion, separation or reassignment requiring job displacement. Agencies can also consider layoffs if there’s a lack of work, shortage of funds or reduced personnel ceiling. Agency reorganizations or position reclassifications could also prompt a layoff, according to federal statue.

    RIFs typically go into effect within 180 days.

    But Title 5 RIF regulations apply to situations where an agency knows how long it plans to furlough its employees. Some agencies in 2013, for example, were forced to furlough their employees due to the effects of sequestration. The possibility of targeted layoffs was real for some agencies at the time, including the Defense Department, which warned of RIFs in 2014 if sequestration had continued.

    The American Federation of Government Employees said it had also received questions about the possibility of RIFs due to the ongoing partial shutdown.

    A representative with AFGE said OPM was considering whether it would send new furlough notices to remind non-excepted employees of their furlough status if the government shutdown continues past 30 days.

    OPM didn’t respond to questions about its plans to send furlough notices. OMB referred questions about the possibility of new furlough notices to OPM.

    Meanwhile, the partial government shutdown has no clear end in sight.

    The House this week will vote on several continuing resolutions to end the current shutdown and temporarily fund federal agencies through a later date in February.

    House lawmakers already struck down one version Tuesday afternoon. OMB has indicated that President Donald Trump will veto the CRs if they reach his desk.

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    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Works for me.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Even if the employees are not layed off, I take the Office Space philosophy. “We fixed the glitch so he won’t be getting a paycheck anymore so it will just work itself out naturally.”



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