"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
Awesome!
Let's hope he's right and MAGA is steadfast this time in standing up to neocons and ending neocons endless wars and spending.
As someone here noted MAGA says many things in meetings, it's what he does that counts.
If Bolton stayed and private meetings with distinguished neocon Adelson not open to press continued, this statement might turn out to be too optimistic/designd as "responds well to praise" tactic to get MAGA's ear.
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Wall Street Journal: White House requested plans last year from Pentagon to attack Iran
Sun January 13, 2019
Washington (CNN)The White House's National Security Council asked the Pentagon last year for plans for launching a military attack against Iran, the Wall Street Journal reported early Sunday, citing current and former US officials.
May 14, 2018
Mega-donor Adelson, with access and influence, scores two pro- Israel victories
A passionate and hawkish advocate for Israel with close ties to its prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, Adelson was in Jerusalem today for a celebration of the U.S. embassy’s relocation to that city, a longstanding priority for the mogul. Similarly, Adelson had pushed hard for President Donald Trump to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal, which happened last week.
And the day after that announcement, Adelson quietly slipped into the White House for a private meeting with Trump and three top administration officials: Vice President Mike Pence, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and an Adelson favorite, National Security Adviser John Bolton, according to two conservative sources familiar with the previously unreported private event.
True neoconservatives:
- Elliot Abrams (Rubio, Cruz adviser)
- Sheldon Adelson (Billionaire donor, Rubio backer)
- Sen. Kelly Ayotte
- Gary Bauer
- Cofer Black (Romney adviser)
- Brad Blakeman
- John Bolton (Cruz adviser)
.....
Contradicting Trump, Bolton says no unconditional withdrawal from Syria
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I'm still in the trust but verify camp myself.
On Trump:
How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin
He has my attention.
Gulag Chief: "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"
I was skeptical whether Trump was going to follow through but if Rand believes it is happening he would know.
Says the guy who proposes a bill to permanently prohibit shutdowns.
How does he define " victory" in Syria or Afghanistan? Or is it enough to just declare you won?
Putting America First means declaring victory in Afghanistan and Syria.
It's a victory for the American people to bring the troops home and end the endless wars.Originally Posted by Zippyjuan
How does he define " victory" in Syria or Afghanistan? Or is it enough to just declare you won?
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
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Works for me. Who cares? We shouldn't even be there.How does he define " victory" in Syria or Afghanistan? Or is it enough to just declare you won?
"The Patriarch"
Yep.
"The Patriarch"
Trump did say last March the US would leave Syria "soon". In December he said in 30 days (that would run out Sunday). There is no timetable now.
Leaving is the right thing to do . No more lives should be lost .How does he define " victory" in Syria or Afghanistan? Or is it enough to just declare you won?
Do something Danke
Rand Paul understands. He literally almost became a casualty of this brewing civil war.
Just a random attack, and our most beloved Senator is dead, broken ribs, had the kook been more "motivated".
I feel the same as Rand Paul. Never been prouder of President Donald J. Trump. He is a champion.
Never been prouder of Rand Paul, either.
Except when he won Kentucky.
Rand has much greater days ahead.
How about a new dynasty?
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https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/68565...a-pullout-plan
More at link.U.S. Evangelicals Push Back Against Trump's Syria Pullout Plan
U.S. evangelicals, generally supportive of President Trump, are breaking sharply with him over his planned Syria pullout, saying the move will leave Syrian Christians vulnerable to attack.
Among the groups criticizing Trump's Syria plan is the Family Research Council, a conservative evangelical organization with a mission of advancing "faith, family, and freedom in public policy and the culture from a Christian worldview." In the past, the group has actively supported Christians overseas who face persecution.
In a statement on its website, two senior officials of the organization wrote that a withdrawal of U.S. troops from northern Syria could put Syrian Christians "in mortal danger" and deal "an incalculable blow ... to our reputation as a supporter of religious freedom worldwide. "
One of the authors, Lt. Gen. (Ret.) William G. Boykin, said last year that "God's imprint" was evident in Trump's election. But in a Fox News interview last month, Boykin warned that Trump was "on dangerous ground" with his Syria plans.
Critics of the U.S. withdrawal say it could mean Turkey will be tempted to send troops and allied Syrian Arab forces into northern Syria, where they could attack ethnic and religious minority groups, including Yazidis, Kurds, and Syriac Christians, an ancient Christian community that still speaks Aramaic, the language of Jesus.
Those worries were echoed last week by the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), founded by conservative televangelist Pat Robertson.
"For President Donald Trump, pulling U.S. troops out of Syria fits neatly into his 'America First' foreign policy," noted CBN White House Correspondent Jennifer Wishon. "But as the U.S. prepares to draw down," she said, "Syrian Christians fear they'll be wiped out. It appears U.S. policy has the potential to put 2000 years of Christian tradition and history at risk."
Rarely have CBN journalists assessed Trump Administration plans so harshly.
Joining the chorus of concern over the fate of Syrian Christians is the organization Open Doors, which tracks the persecution of Christians around the world. In its 2019 "World Watch List," released Wednesday, the organization reported that violence against Christians in areas of Syria held by rebel forces spiked over the last year.
"Left to protect themselves, Christians will become extinct," says Open Doors CEO David Curry. "So we're going to need the U.S. or others to protect those religious minorities, or you're going to have continued genocide."
A long history of persecution
Religious minorities in Turkey and Syria have long faced hostility from Turkish forces, and the Christian population in Syria today fears a repeat of previous massacres, according to Bassam Ishak, president of the Syriac National Council of Syria.
"They worry about Turkey coming in, because of what Turkey did to their parents and grandparents 100 years ago," Ishak says, referring to what is generally known as the Assyrian genocide.
Ishak, who lives in the United States but returns regularly to northern Syria, was in neighboring Iraq last month when President Trump announced his Syria pullout plan.
"I was getting calls from Syriac Christians and from Kurds who were worried," Ishak says. "They wanted to know what's happening and if I had any information about the situation. They were desperate."
When Turkish troops and allied rebel forces early last year entered the city of Afrin, a largely Kurdish enclave in northern Syria, they reportedly engaged in looting and desecrated Kurdish monuments. Up to 100,000 Kurdish fighters and Afrin residents, including Christians and Yazidis, fled east to parts of northern Syria under the protection of U.S. troops.
Hey Slippy, if we had stayed out of Iraq and Syria how would those Christians be doing?
"The Patriarch"
How about hell no
What is it with some people in the US? You want a King and a bunch of Royals, don't you.
This is why Ron got away with lying to his supporters about his deal with Romney.
Disgraceful, really especially on this forum.
It's just a reality of history. What I want doesn't matter. So I'd rather it be Paul dynasty vs Trump dynasty WWE than old bush/Clinton dynasty WWE. Nationalist vs Libertarian political fights, instead of Socialist vs Fascist.
But don't think for a second, there will not be parties. That's just the way politics work. Washington warned about it, but that only lasted until the next presidency. Jefferson warned about it, yet still fell into a faction. That's how political power works. And the more solidarity that can be gathered, the more powerful you get.
And to attain solidarity, you MUST compromise.
Any kind of "great free world " awakening is still at least 50 years away in human evolution.
ANd really, disgrace? Rand Paul saying he has never been more proud of Trump, is a disgrace to who, exactly?
The Senator from Kentucky? Or the guy literally posting pictures of clowns, in response?
Last edited by UWDude; 01-16-2019 at 10:32 PM.
He wasn't talking about Rand. Rand never said anything about a dynasty.
"The Patriarch"
I did. Somebody needs to lead the GOP in 2024.
Imagine Rand being Trump's best friend.
Instead of cringing, imagine the potential.
Imagine the potential of Actually having a president Rand Paul.
His father is healthy enough, he might make it to see it too.
Really, could a man like Ron Paul not find peace and joy in any better way with his last breaths?
They would all be dead. Iraq was once teeming with Christians. Now there are less than 100,000. These are the people who are desperately seeking asylum in the US and elsewhere, yet are denied.
#NashvilleStrong
“I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi
How were they doing before we toppled Saddam? Before we decided there had to be "regime change" in Syria?
"The Patriarch"
It was our invasion that led to their near extermination, Assad is quite friendly to them and bad as Saddam was he left them alone for the most part.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Ron is a pretty healthy dude, he could easily make it past 8 years of Trump and Rand.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I’m not agreeing with the illegal wars. Our foreign policy has tunnel vision and leaves a vacuum of leadership that leaves a huge opening for oppressive Muslim leaders to step through and put the fatwa in motion. The media does not cover the violence against Christians very well. One has to be looking for sources outside the mainstream media for that. Centuries-old churches and priceless relics have been completely destroyed. Christians are being sought out and killed.
#NashvilleStrong
“I’m a doctor. That’s a baby.”~~~Dr. Manny Sethi
too dangerous for the US. After all, we did directly kill many of their family members. There is tribal and familial hatreds of the US that were born of that war, that will not die for hundreds of years, if true peace started today. And they would do anything to come in, network, and exact revenge. Any man worth his salt, when so unjustly treated by the US, and it's Iraqi collaborators, would. Count of Monte Cristo, when men live simply for revenge. Especially men in power, or who came close, but never quite made it. Real power. Power of war, and armies. Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Yes, it is bad.
But it wasn't that way before we invaded, had we not invaded most of it would never have happened, Assad is a member of a minority sect that has as much to fear from mainstream islamists as the Christians do and he considers them political allies and Saddam was a secularist who may not have made allies of them but did make sure to suppress any islamists that posed a threat to them as well as him.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Right. And they weren't before we decided to "liberate" those countries. So who's fault is it again?
"The Patriarch"
If I were god, I would have nuked the United States for invading Iraq in 2003. I was like Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah. Even the local Libertarian party was like 12 to 4, pro Iraq war. Lowell went to Montana, he and I were chairs, and against it. Everybody around me was parroting war jingoism... except some of the left. It was hell, and it was depressing as hell.
It would have been justice to nuke the Americans at the height of their murderous arrogance.
But that was then, and this is now.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...nistan-pulloutPresident Trump told a group of Republican senators Wednesday evening that he is sticking with his plan to draw down U.S. forces in Syria and Afghanistan, marking a new era in American foreign policy.
Trump’s call to stick with his controversial decision to pull out of Syria and dramatically reduce forces in Afghanistan was praised by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a libertarian conservative who has long criticized American foreign policy for relying too much on military intervention.
“I really am proud of the president for making an argument that really no president in recent history has made and that is that we’ve been at war too long in too many places and he’s really going to make a difference,” Paul said after meeting with Trump at the White House.
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