Pastor Loses Job After Church Sign Stating ‘Homosexuality Is Still A Sin’ Causes Uproar

[donnay]

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Mark 10:6-9 (KJV)

6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;

8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.


1 Timothy 1:10-11 (KJV)

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.


2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[fedupinmo]

''Bruce Jenner is still a man''
Fact.

Caitlyn Jenner is still a man. He has the right to change his name.

[Stratovarious]

Caitlyn Jenner is still a man. He has the right to change his name.

ha ha I forgot; Caitlyn, Susan, Jenner....
Good Lord, what on earth will they come up with next?

[euphemia]

I think the pastor was wrong in what he did and how he did it. The Bible is very clear that we don’t transform culture by forcing people to behave a certain way. People are transformed when their hearts are changed.

As it happens, some of the Jenners and Kardashians have been attending a church in Los Angeles. I would hate to think one pastor’s unkind and unbiblical behavior was a stumbling block to people who really need to know the love and grace of God.

[AuH20]

Homosexuality isn't a sin. Promoting homosexuality is!

[Swordsmyth]

I think the pastor was wrong in what he did and how he did it. The Bible is very clear that we don’t transform culture by forcing people to behave a certain way. People are transformed when their hearts are changed.

As it happens, some of the Jenners and Kardashians have been attending a church in Los Angeles. I would hate to think one pastor’s unkind and unbiblical behavior was a stumbling block to people who really need to know the love and grace of God.

Proclaiming the truth and calling sinners to repentance is quite biblical and it is what our society is desperately in need of.
Failure to do so will bring the sins of the wicked on the heads of the "religious authorities" who fail to do it.

[Swordsmyth]

Homosexuality isn't a sin. Promoting homosexuality is!

Both are.

[AuH20]

Both are.

Nah. God created homosexuals? Right? It's a genetic malady like any disease. But knowingly promoting this lifestyle is a sin, in my eyes. I don't consider homosexuals who aren't bothering or corrupting anyone a problem.

[euphemia]

You all can get bent out of shape over this one issue if you want, but I think you really need to go back to the Bible and compare that with how culture has chipped away at sexual morality. How many adult Christian singles do you know are virgins? Fornication is a sin.

[Swordsmyth]

Nah. God created homosexuals? Right? It's a genetic malady like any disease. But knowingly promoting this lifestyle is a sin, in my eyes. I don't consider homosexuals who aren't bothering or corrupting anyone a problem.

If there is any genetic basis then acting on it is a sin, it would be a stumbling block that they would be expected to overcome, there are similar conditions related to other sins but none of them justify acting on the temptation.

[Swordsmyth]

You all can get bent out of shape over this one issue if you want, but I think you really need to go back to the Bible and compare that with how culture has chipped away at sexual morality. How many adult Christian singles do you know are virgins? Fornication is a sin.

I oppose all sins.
GOD's servants are commanded to call on people to repent of all of them.

[euphemia]

If there is any genetic basis then acting on it is a sin, it would be a stumbling block that they would be expected to overcome, there are similar conditions related to other sins but none of them justify acting on the temptation.

Does that mean you have a genetic predisposition to self-righteousness? Does God have an expectation about that?

[AuH20]

If there is any genetic basis then acting on it is a sin, it would be a stumbling block that they would be expected to overcome, there are similar conditions related to other sins but none of them justify acting on the temptation.

I have a hard time believing it's a voluntary choice, given the scientific data that we have at our disposal.

[Swordsmyth]

Does that mean you have a genetic predisposition to self-righteousness? Does God have an expectation about that?

I'm not self righteous, I have never claimed to be perfect, I have committed sins in my life and I have done my best to repent of them.
None of that means that other sinners shouldn't be called on to repent.

[Swordsmyth]

I have a hard time believing it's a voluntary choice, given the scientific data that we have at our disposal.

I have yet to see convincing evidence that it is genetic but I am willing to consider the possibility.

Acting on any such weakness is a choice however.

[euphemia]

I have a hard time believing it's a voluntary choice, given the scientific data that we have at our disposal.

Science is malleable and inconsistent. There is no scientific data proving anything about sexuality. It is just as reasonable to assume the behavior affects brain chemistry, not the other way around. If science started with that presupposition, I’m pretty sure they could arrange the data to prove it. They haven’t started out to prove it.

[Superfluous Man]

You all can get bent out of shape over this one issue if you want, but I think you really need to go back to the Bible and compare that with how culture has chipped away at sexual morality. How many adult Christian singles do you know are virgins? Fornication is a sin.

Would you object to a sign like the one mentioned in the OP that calls out the sin of fornication, in place of homosexuality?

[Superfluous Man]

I have a hard time believing it's a voluntary choice, given the scientific data that we have at our disposal.

If you're suggesting that something can't be a sin if people are born with a natural predisposition to do it, then you're not coming from a starting point that meshes with the Christian view of sin in the first place.

That said, what you said earlier about homosexuality being entirely genetic is a hypothesis that used to be popular 20+ years ago. But in the ensuing time of scientists studying it, they have disproved and abandoned it. Even the APA, an organization that still today actively promote the gay agenda, had to change its official position on homosexuality 10-15 years ago in order to reflect the conclusion that they could no longer call it genetic, like they had previously.

[Schifference]

The brain of each individual is what is responsible for an individuals perception. Perception becomes reality. A healthy brain would equate to a healthy individual. A brain is malleable. Societies create sick brains.

[Schifference]

Men or women identifying as the opposite sex would have been accurately diagnosed as mental illness in years past. Now society is mandating that the masses change to adapt to the ill.

[Anti Federalist]

I have a hard time believing it's a voluntary choice, given the scientific data that we have at our disposal.

Seriously?

I'd reckon three quarters of people who identify as weirdosexuals of some sort, are only doing it because it's hip, cool, progressive, woke and "with it".

[specsaregood]

Seriously?
I'd reckon three quarters of people who identify as weirdosexuals of some sort, are only doing it because it's hip, cool, progressive, woke and "with it".

Meh, I reckon perversions are just natural part of freewill and having an active imagination. People have probably always had these perversions but kept them private or didn't act on them for moral reasons. The problem I see is people taking their sexuality and making it the entire definition of who they are. If anything, its demeaning to themselves, not empowering. I may like being pegged with a frozen zucchini by somebody wearing a pony outfit, but its not who I am, its just something I enjoy doing, in private.

[Origanalist]

Meh, I reckon perversions are just natural part of freewill and having an active imagination. People have probably always had these perversions but kept them private or didn't act on them for moral reasons. The problem I see is people taking their sexuality and making it the entire definition of who they are. If anything, its demeaning to themselves, not empowering. I may like being pegged with a frozen zucchini by somebody wearing a pony outfit, but its not who I am, its just something I enjoy doing, in private.

Is there a website for that? (asking for a freind)

[dannno]

Seriously?

I'd reckon three quarters of people who identify as weirdosexuals of some sort, are only doing it because it's hip, cool, progressive, woke and "with it".

If you thought it was the hip thing to do and you wanted to do things that were hip, could you do it?

[RJB]

The problem I see is people taking their sexuality and making it the entire definition of who they are. If anything, its demeaning to themselves, not empowering. I may like being pegged with a frozen zucchini by somebody wearing a pony outfit, but its not who I am, its just something I enjoy doing, in private.

That's how I see it. CS Lewis said that we don't have a soul, instead, we are a soul and we have a body. I have always seen myself as a soul occupying my body. This body is what God gave me to work with. There are limitations I wish I didn't have. There are talents that I wish I did, but I do the best with what I have.

With this outlook, I never understood the gender dysphoria. God made me as a man. I do what I can with what I was gifted, and I am rocking it, if I do say so myself. If God had made me into a woman instead, I would still rock it, I would just take a slightly different approach. Same with a difference in race, athletic ability, intelligence, etc.

[RonPaulIsGreat]

He's right.

This is really why I don't go to any church, they don't have any real values. IF it's okay to be homosexual in a christian church then that church is not following what the bible says, so what kind of "Church" is it really. And yes Bruce Jenner is a mentally ill man. That's the truth.

I read an article a while back about how thousands of churches were closing every year, that's good I guess seeing they offer nothing, they apparently don't even teach the bible at all, or recognize that human DNA does not change even if you mutilate your genitals.

I'll state it unequivocally, ALL genetically male men that mutilate their bodies are still male, even if they take hormones to grow tits.


I hope we are in the last days, I don't think I can take the insanity for another 40 years. Seriously we already have a 10 year old prancing around a stage for the amusement of dozens of homesexual men, they treat him like a stripper, and this is condoned. WTF... If that is our society then it deserves to fall. I call that child abuse, but what do I know.

Just google lactatia , that's the boys "stripper" name more or less.