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    Republican senators roll out bill that would end all future shutdowns

    The automation megatrend now has a role in the debate about the ongoing partial government shutdown, as a group of Republican senators is proposing to make temporary fixes automatic in a bid to avoid futures shutdowns.
    Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and eight other GOP senators on Friday introduced the “End Government Shutdowns Act.”
    “The measure will create an automatic continuing resolution for any regular appropriations bill or existing CR, keeping the federal government open when budget negotiations falter before key spending deadlines,” the lawmakers said in a news release.
    After 120 days, funding would be reduced by 1%, and it then would be cut by 1% again every 90 days “until Congress does its job and completes the annual appropriations process,” the senators added.

    The GOP senators who joined Grassley in rolling out the bill were John Barrasso of Wyoming, Steve Daines of Montana, Mike Enzi of Wyoming, Johnny Isakson of Georgia, Mike Lee of Utah, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Rob Portman of Ohio and Jim Risch of Idaho.

    More at: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/re...wns-2019-01-11

    What is Rand's position on this idea?

    I don't like it, the cuts should happen faster and be larger if you are going to consider this at all.
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    Yes there should be an immediate funding cut and a larger cut each 90 days

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    Automatically spend money? Naaaa, the failures of Congress should hurt. You voted for 'em, now enjoy the fruits of your effort.
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    Lightbulb Just print up more money

    Magical paychecks, what will these debt loving FED ponzi scheme Republicans think of next?

    Their love for big stupid government knows no bounds. Put it on the tab.

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    They should be considered "non-essential" personnel and not get paid if there is shut down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The automation megatrend now has a role in the debate about the ongoing partial government shutdown, as a group of Republican senators is proposing to make temporary fixes automatic in a bid to avoid futures shutdowns.
    Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley and eight other GOP senators on Friday introduced the “End Government Shutdowns Act.”
    “The measure will create an automatic continuing resolution for any regular appropriations bill or existing CR, keeping the federal government open when budget negotiations falter before key spending deadlines,” the lawmakers said in a news release.
    After 120 days, funding would be reduced by 1%, and it then would be cut by 1% again every 90 days “until Congress does its job and completes the annual appropriations process,” the senators added.

    The GOP senators who joined Grassley in rolling out the bill were John Barrasso of Wyoming, Steve Daines of Montana, Mike Enzi of Wyoming, Johnny Isakson of Georgia, Mike Lee of Utah, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Rob Portman of Ohio and Jim Risch of Idaho.

    More at: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/re...wns-2019-01-11

    What is Rand's position on this idea?

    I don't like it, the cuts should happen faster and be larger if you are going to consider this at all.
    I like a bill better that would cut everything except programs that have been pd into by citizens by a permanent 1.9 % per day. No back pay with the exception of military .
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    “The measure will create an automatic continuing resolution for any regular appropriations bill or existing CR, keeping the federal government open when budget negotiations falter before key spending deadlines,” the lawmakers said in a news release.
    After 120 days, funding would be reduced by 1%, and it then would be cut by 1% again every 90 days “until Congress does its job and completes the annual appropriations process,” the senators added.
    Gee, a law that spends money without any human input, being sold as a cut because it only automatically spends at the old rate for four months. And no provision whatsoever for finding the money it spends?

    And Mike Lee is pushing this? I am disappointed by that.

    The Constitution calls for money to be appropriated from us and apportioned only by representatives that we can vote out every two years. It makes no provision for our money being snatched and spent by an automatic provision of some law even after we vote the bums that passed it out.

    It isn't a matter of, does it cut enough of our taxes appropriated and apportioned without representation. It's a matter of...

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    All Mike Lee's good work is being undone with this kind of nonesense...



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    Sounds like an accelerated version of the penny plan. I'd be surprised if Rand didn't go for this, unless I'm missing something. Once passed, stall budget negotiations and let the budget balance itself over time. And since it's incremental, it would be hard for lavish spenders to moan and whine too much since the effects would be so much smaller than a complete shutdown.

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    wuhhh?

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    Eliminate Most of our Alpabet and Redundant Agenices

    ''Temporary Fix....''
    -
    How about a more permanent fix:
    '
    Fully or Partially Defund / Repeal;
    TSA
    NSA
    DHS
    ICE
    Patriot Act
    NDAA
    ATF
    FBI

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    I’m A Senior Trump Official, And I Hope A Long Shutdown Smokes Out The Resistance
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/14/s...ut-resistance/

    This person claims to be a senior trump administration official. I don't believe, and yet, overall, federal government seems fine... ..or as this writer says, it is better, because a lot of the "saboteurs" are gone.
    It is mirroring what I said earlier.
    Trump chose the wall, and this budget, as the showdown.
    Yes, Nancy just won. But now Trump has two years to fight on this hill.
    And he chose the wall, because he knew this is what they would fight or die on.
    And it will not be him, dying on this hill.
    There is going to be a lot of people looking for work soon.
    And as this article says, at the end... No pay for those who left.

    Of course, the real pitfall is congress. Will there be enough votes to override his veto with enough Republican traitors to party?
    When will they begin to crack? Lots of new CIA faces, and some familiar ones, like King Romney of the Mormons.

    Trump should demand $10 billion now. Make them understand. He doesn't have to negotiate. This shutdown is a dream come true for all of us.
    I hope it lasts until 2024.

    But it wont have to. Congress buckles within 90 days. Trump gets his wall, and many "non-essential" government employees are simply let go, or find work elsewhere.

    Rule 1 of this Trumpian tactic:
    It's a rule. Trump is going to get what he wants, because he has the power to do so.
    Rule 2:
    he has set up a dialectic. He makes you think you are fighting the big battle, pulling you out of your fortified positions, so he can win the big war. He was already set up to win the big battle. But he always sets his sights ahead, and is going for the coup de grace.

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    I could understand an idea like this if it only applied to actually essential personnel (pretty much just active duty front line military and a few equivalent civilians) and if it started with an immediate 5% cut to even them and had a 1% cut every month after that, EVERYTHING else should shutdown IMMEDIATELY and stay that way until Congress funds it.
    A bill like that would increase the leverage of a President to threaten a veto and cause a shutdown, the bill being proposed takes almost all of the President's power over the budget away, Trump needs to announce he will veto this.

    I can't imagine why Lee is in favor of this, Rand needs to have a talk with him.
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    Glad to see Amash was against it.


    "This is bad policy. It makes shutdowns more likely to happen and more likely to last longer," Amash said on Twitter.

    In the past, government shutdowns have given federal workers back pay as a part of the larger spending bill. In this case, the bill is being passed as a stand-alone measure while legislators still spar of funding for a border wall.

    Amash said he voted for back pay after previous shutdowns because those bills were limited to those specific shutdowns. "If people will automatically be paid after any future shutdown, as this bill requires, then why send them home and why not pay them on time? This bill was not properly vetted," he said.

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    Why?

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1085644267609944066
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Why?

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1085644267609944066
    Ron needs to talk to Rand:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Why?

    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1085644267609944066
    Did you read it?

    Whatever they don't fund in time, has to take a 1% cut in funding.. if it still isn't funded 90 days later, it gets another 1% cut.

    U.S. Senators Mike Lee (R-UT) and Joni Ernst (R-IA) joined Dr. Paul in introducing the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Did you read it?

    Whatever they don't fund in time, has to take a 1% cut in funding.. if it still isn't funded 90 days later, it gets another 1% cut.
    I read it, I posted the OP, it's a BAD idea, it removes the President's leverage on the issue of the budget and it makes it impossible to do what Trump is doing right now to trim the fat by getting the swamp to drain itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I could understand an idea like this if it only applied to actually essential personnel (pretty much just active duty front line military and a few equivalent civilians) and if it started with an immediate 5% cut to even them and had a 1% cut every month after that, EVERYTHING else should shutdown IMMEDIATELY and stay that way until Congress funds it.
    A bill like that would increase the leverage of a President to threaten a veto and cause a shutdown, the bill being proposed takes almost all of the President's power over the budget away, Trump needs to announce he will veto this.
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    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    Glad to see Amash was against it.


    "This is bad policy. It makes shutdowns more likely to happen and more likely to last longer," Amash said on Twitter.
    ...some of us WANT them to be more likely to happen or to last longer

    I actually thought this was an interesting way to get some (good) Republicans on board with shutting down govt., more often, and having them last longer.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ...some of us WANT them to be more likely to happen or to last longer

    I actually thought this was an interesting way to get some (good) Republicans on board with shutting down govt., more often, and having them last longer.
    I disagree that it makes them more likely to happen, it eliminates them as the title of the act indicates.
    That is what is wrong with it.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I disagree that it makes them more likely to happen, it eliminates them as the title of the act indicates.
    That is what is wrong with it.
    Or maybe they are playing "The Patriot Act" game - titling legislation that does the opposite of the title.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Or maybe they are playing "The Patriot Act" game - titling legislation that does the opposite of the title.
    I see it as a functional elimination of shutdowns, literally NOTHING will shutdown.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Then there is only one thing we can do. Keep the whole $#@!ing thing shutdown.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I see it as a functional elimination of shutdowns, literally NOTHING will shutdown.
    Yes, but it cuts the funding by 1% instead of 'shutting down'. That gives good Republicans incentive not to fund.

    Instead of government shutting down operations over stalled funding in the future, Dr. Paul’s plan would keep government open but institute a one-percent cut to then-current funding levels for any agency, program, and activity that Congress failed to fund by the start of the fiscal year (October 1). Funding would be reduced by another one percent every 90 days thereafter that an agreement is still not enacted.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Yes, but it cuts the funding by 1% instead of 'shutting down'. That gives good Republicans incentive not to fund.
    How is that any better than cutting off funds to nonessential agencies entirely?

    It cuts too little too slowly and weakens the President's hand.
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    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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