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    Jeff Deist

    Why does support for socialism persist?

    The short answer may be simple human nature, our natural tendency toward dissatisfaction with the present and unease about the future. Even in the midst of almost unimaginable material comforts made possible only by markets and entrepreneursóboth derided by socialistsówe cannot manage to conclusively defeat the tired but deadly old arguments for collective ownership of capital. We're so rich that socialists imagine the material wealth all around us will continue to organize itself magically, regardless of incentives.


    Rand Paul and Thomas Massie are outliers on the Right. Ocasio-Cortez and de Blasio are not outliers on the Left.

    How is this possible, even as markets and semi-capitalism lift millions out of poverty? Why does socialism keep cropping up, and why do many well-intentioned (and ill-intentioned) people keep falling for something so patently evil and unworkable? Why do some battles have to be fought over and over?

    These most recent spasms of support for the deadly ideology of socialism remind us that progressives aren't kidding. They may not fully understand what socialism means, but they fully intend to bring it about. Single-payer health care, "free" education, wealth redistribution schemes, highly progressive income taxes, wealth taxes, gun bans, and radical curbs on fossil fuels are all on the immediate agenda. They will do this quickly if possible, incrementally if they have to (see, again, the 20th century). They will do it with or without popular support, using legislatures, courts and judges, supranational agencies,university indoctrination, friendly media, or whatever political, economic, or social tools it takes (including de-platforming and hate speech laws). This is not paranoia; all of this is openly discussed. And say what you will about progressivism, it does have a central if false ethos: egalitarianism.

    Conservatives, by contrast, are not serious. They have no animating spirit. They don't much talk about liberty or property or markets or opportunity. They don't mean what they say about the Constitution, they won't do a thing to limit government, they won't touch entitlements or defense spending, they won't abolish the Department of Education or a single federal agency, they won't touch abortion laws, and they sure won't give up their own socialist impulses. Trumpism, though not conservative and thoroughly non-intellectual, drove a final stake through the barely beating heart of Right intellectualism, from the Weekly Standard to National Review. Conservatism today is incoherent, both ideologically and tactically incapable of countering the rising tide of socialism.

    Generals always fight the last war, and politics is no different. We all tend to see the current political climate in terms of old and familiar divisions, long-faded alliances, and obsolete rhetoric. We all cling to the comfortable ideology and influences that help us make sense of a chaotic world. As one commenter recently put it, liberal Baby Boomers still think it's 1968 and conservative Baby Boomers still think it's 1985. Generation X and Millennials will exhibit the same blinders. It may be disheartening to keep fighting what should be a long-settled battle against socialism, but today we have no other choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
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    Democrats More Positive About Socialism Than Capitalism

    From Gallup poll

    Positive view of capitalism Positive view of socialism
    % %
    2018 47 57
    2016 56 58
    2012 55 53
    2010 53 53
    2018 71 16
    2016 68 13
    2012 72 23
    2010 72 17

    The average Democrat is not a capitalist who wants a slightly expanded welfare state like Denmark. The average Democrat is borderline as bad as the average Nazi. Democrats fundamentally think Marx is right and the only problem with Stalin, Mao, and Castro is that they were authoritarians who weren't Democratically elected.

    This is the Democratic Party.

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    Yes, we are likely fighting the last war. We have to make people care about liberty, and make people realize we have a chance to make major change like abolishing departments. But nobody wants to feel the guilt of undoing a fragile semi-socialist system. We need the fundamental drive of liberty.

    IMO the liberty movement needs to go into desperation mode. We need to sacrifice some of our pride to actually have a chance of survival. But while doing so, we must remain ourselves at least on the inside.

    We should register as Republicans so that we can vote in the presidential primaries for the next Rand Paul. Let's have an actual voting impact. The socialists did this for Democrats.

    We should ally ourselves with the conservatives who have that genuine liberty drive but seem "flawed" for wanting a big military or something (e.g. Ben Shapiro). The genuine desire for actual small government and fiscal responsibility is much needed and we should never take it for granted that someone has it.

    We need to make the idea of actual small government capitalism somehow exist in people's heads as an option, rather than just a fantasy. Socialism isn't seen as a fantasy because it is all around the world.

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    They prostituted themselves pro socialism in the last election.

    I guess they think their normal audience will forget; and I guess they will.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Why does socialism persist ? Because they were let to flourish in public . They should have been shamed and forced to hide in underground covens .
    Do something Danke

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    When Socialism starts gaining a foothold, the first thing they do is start editing history to remove all the negative consequences of Socialism.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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