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"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat
"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire
Even if he is trafficking "illegals" (kind of a silly label, honestly), so what? It's his land. If he's not helping kidnappers or something, more power to him. The government has no business interfering. And the very fact that there is demand for such an enterprise only attests to the way the government has corrupted the market by trying to keep immigration suppressed below a level the market demands. If they would just let as many people as want to come in through legal ports of entry and stay here and work as long as they want legally, then there wouldn't exist a need for anyone to traffic "illegals" except in cases where they were actually doing something that warranted violent action to stop them.
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 01-10-2019 at 12:34 PM.
Exactly.
I'm against eminent domain, but you can't expect to have land on the border of your country and never have an eminent domain issue. That's just ridiculous.
And as far as removing incentives, of course! We need BOTH.
Just removing incentives is NOT going to stop the human traffickers, gangs, and others pouring into the country. The incentives make it more attractive to a lot of these people, but without them they would STILL be coming here. Without a doubt.
This isn't some sort of free, beautiful, loving, wonderful, civilized world where all libertarian ideals are met.
Not happening. This is reality and you have to do the best with what you have.
Yes, we absolutely need a wall. AND we need to cut off all incentives. Both.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
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"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I wonder what the goobermint would see as 'just compensation'?
A 50' high wall in your back yard... it would obscure the view.
Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows
I remember, not all that long ago, when the overwhelming majority of people here were arguing vehemently AGAINST eminent domain seizures to build the NAFTA Superhighway, which I hasten to add were every bit as CONstitutional as those for Trump's big beautiful wall. I guess things are different when some people like the reason for which government seizes other people's property.
Last edited by CCTelander; 01-10-2019 at 12:59 PM.
Chris
"Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon
"...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul
The (generally hyped up, and not so bad in reality) "problems" you refer to are the result of government action, generally government actions that have come about fairly recently in history. They didn't exist or need to be addressed until the government created them. The solution is to undo those actions, not to create more big-government bandaids to supposedly fix them only to create more government-created problems that will become your excuse for another big-government solution the year after that, and so on in an endless cycle.
Last edited by Superfluous Man; 01-10-2019 at 01:14 PM.
I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.
Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
OK, so let's use private funds (I think that "Build The Wall go fund me is up to 30 or 40 million so far) to buy the deeded rights of way along which to build said wall.
Problem solved, right?
Who cares if they take away other peoples guns, I don't have any.
EXACTLY.
Heaven forbid we should have free trade, no entitlements & local charity instead of federal.
Plus the WoD is the reason for cartels etc. It is a big money maker for the alphabets- not to mention .gov actions of coups in C & S America & military bases all over.
This immigrant "problem" is a distraction- illegals have not increased- it's only to have people run around screaming "Muh culture!" while other real insidious freedom losses are taking place
Last edited by Ender; 01-11-2019 at 04:06 PM.
There is no spoon.
Nope, the government is already making very fair offers to the landowners and the guy in the article said he wouldn't take a trillion dollars if it were offered to him...
I was pondering why the guy in the article wouldn't take a trillion dollars. He said it isn't about money.. so what is it is about? Is he a cartel member? Operating with the cartel? Or maybe he is pro-invasion? Democrat SJW?
Or maybe Mr. Cavazos just wants to keep his nice view of the rio grande..
Last edited by dannno; 01-10-2019 at 01:18 PM.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I'd give folks a choice. If they don't want the wall then they must take personal responsibility for enforcing the border along their property. That or, give out MapQuest directions to the homes of every libertarian here who makes the claim that they have the right to invite whoever they want onto their property.
We'll see which option is more practical.
T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato
We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me
Originally Posted by Philhelm
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I just figured it out. Treat the border wall like a sidewalk. The property owner has to pay to put in a sidewalk and has to keep it clean and unobstructed. If the property owner fails to shovel snow off of said sidewalk the property owner gets fined. Very simple solution. Legislate that all property on southern border must have approved fencing. Property owners must put in the fence or have lien for cost of fence put on the property. Put all illegal immigration entry issues on the property owner. If someone crosses into USA on your property, property owner gets fined. Government could offer a one time deal to have fence erected with tax subsidy. If Property owner refuses, slap them with fines, penalties, and build the fence anyway for them and charge them for it.
As the creative juices of legislation flow from my brain to my keyboard it even gets simpler. It is even easier than that for the federal government. Legislate that states are required to make sure that the border has fencing and is maintained. Fine the states if they don't maintain the fencing. Have the states deal with the property owners. Don't worry about the wall. Monitor and document illegal crossings via satellite or drones. Fine the state for every illegal they allow to cross said line in the sand. States can then legislate that individual property owners need to do....... and fine individual property owners. Levy fines and take over properties when tax liens are not paid.
Could legislate a new alphabet organization. The BMA. Border Management Authority.
The key to border security is more legislation! Taxes! Fines! Even Imprisonment!
Why should someone in Kansas have to pay for a wall or fence in Texas or California. Those people own their property! Have them care for it and secure it!
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
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