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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Federal Dictatorship.. Marx wasn't even well known yet.
    Marxist:
    Was Lincoln a Marxist?

    Marx had just led revolutions in the 1840's:

    "The year 1848 is turning out well", wrote Engels. "By this glorious revolution the French proletariat has again placed itself at the head of the European movement. All honour to the workers of Paris!" That revolution spread across the whole of Europe, marking an important development in the class struggle. "A spectre is haunting Europe - the spectre of Communism", wrote Marx and Engels in the opening passage of the Communist Manifesto. "All powers of old Europe have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: Pope and Tsar, Metternich and Guizot, French Radicals and German police spies." Prophetically, on the day of the Manifesto's publication in London, Europe was ablaze with revolution.
    King Louis-Phillipe of France abdicated immediately. Guizot the French Prime Minister was dismissed and Prince Metternich of Austria fell within a few weeks. Marx and Engels hoped that the revolution would only serve as "the immediate prelude to the proletarian revolution." They immediately hailed the revolution which first broke out in France on 24th February 1848.
    "The year 1848 is turning out well", wrote Engels. "By this glorious revolution the French proletariat has again placed itself at the head of the European movement. All honour to the workers of Paris!
    "Our age, the age of democracy, is breaking. The flames of the Tuileries and the Palais Royal are the dawn of the proletariat. Everywhere the rule of the bourgeoisie will now come crashing down, or be dashed to pieces." (Marx Engels Collected Works, vol.6, p.558)
    After a prolonged period of reaction with the defeat of the 1830 revolutions, the revolutionary masses of Paris, guns and red flags in hand, took to the streets, built barricades, drove out the monarchy and forced the Provisional government to declare a Republic. The worker Guibert burst into the Chamber brandishing a pistol, bringing the debate to an abrupt end with the words, "No more deputies, we are the masters."
    It was the workers and the lower middle class that propelled the revolution forward. The bourgeoisie, who would eventually gain from the revolution, had not expected or wanted such an outcome. "We wanted to climb from step to step", said one, "but we were forced to leap over a whole flight of stairs."
    Above all, the bourgeoisie feared the working class, who pushed forward their own independent class demands: the right to work, a minimum wage, shorter hours, pensions for the disabled, the creation of workshops, compulsory universal education, universal suffrage, progressive taxation, and other working-class demands. In turn, the working class did not trust the bourgeoisie deputies, who wanted an accommodation with the monarchy. As a result, on the walls of Paris revolutionary posters urged the masses: "Let us keep our arms!"
    The new bourgeois republican administration was forced to bring in two socialists into the government, one of whom was Louis Blanc, a popular workers' leader. His role, however, became that of class conciliator, struggling to keep the revolutionary movement within acceptable legal limits. Under the pressure from the radical masses, some reforms were introduced, including the establishment of national workshops, in effect, poor law relief for the unemployed.
    The elections to the Constituent Assembly were held in late April and recorded big gains for the bourgeois parties, largely due to the support of the conservative peasantry which made up 84% of the new electorate. The new government failed to address the plight of the workers and attempted to undermine the revolution by attacking the workers' leaders, particularly Blanqui and Cabet, as "communists". Trust in the bourgeois government melted away. It was becoming obvious that growing frustration was preparing a new showdown. The government's announced closure of the national workshops in Paris was the last straw. "The February revolution raised the problem of property and labour", stated the revolutionary Paul-Louis Deflotte. "This problem must be solved."
    However, the government was making its own plans to teach the workers a lesson by sending them to the school of General Cavaignac who was brought back from butchering the peoples of Algiers, a faithful servant of the counter-revolution.
    On 21st June a decree was promoted, abolishing the national workshops. That day the workers of Paris arose again and threw up barricades throughout the capital. Flags were raised with the inscriptions: "Bread or Death!" and "Work or Death!" It was a purely workers' uprising, devoid of the carnival atmosphere of the February revolution. "The insurrection [is] growing into the greatest revolution that has ever taken place", wrote Marx, "into a revolution of the proletariat against the bourgeoisie." (MECW, vol.7, p.128, emphasis in original.)
    The fighting was ferocious. The bourgeois counter-revolution gave no quarter. The workers were shot down like wild beasts. "The bourgeoisie, fully conscious of what it is doing, conducts a war of extermination against them", wrote Marx. He went on to quote a captain of the republican guard, describing events on 23rd and 24th June. "The cannon replied and until 9 o'clock windows and bricks were shattered by the thunder of artillery. The firing was terrible. Blood flowed in streams while at the same time a tremendous thunderstorm was raging. The cobblestones were red with blood as far as one could see... The number of dead is immense and the number of injured much greater still." (ibid, p.138)
    The workers, on the other hand, fought for four solid days with unequalled bravery. "The courage with which the workers have fought is truly marvelous", wrote Marx. For three full days, 30,000 to 40,000 workers were able to hold their own against more than 80,000 soldiers and 100,000 men of the national guard, against grape-shot, shells, incendiary rockets and the glorious war experiences of generals who did not shrink from using these methods employed in Algeria! They have been crushed and in large part massacred. Their dead will not be accorded the honour that was bestowed upon the dead of July and February. History, however, will assign an entirely different place to them, the martyrs of the first decisive battle of the proletariat." (ibid, p.143)
    After almost a week of battles and street-fighting, the full might of the state was used to crush the movement in blood. A frenzy of shootings and torture were on the order of the day. Some 15,000 were killed and wounded during and after the uprising. The ruling class exacted its revenge for the independent movement of the French workers. The workers' demand "contained a threat to the existing order of society; the workers who put it forward were still armed; therefore, the disarming of the workers was the first commandment for the bourgeois, who were at the helm of the state." (Engels)
    The revolutions of 1848 were essentially bourgeois-democratic in the tasks they attempted to solve. Their fundamental aspect was the destruction of the old feudal structures and the creation of the independent nation state. While Marx and Engels hoped that this bourgeois revolution would be the immediate prelude to the proletarian revolution, given the weakness of the Communist League, they had no alternative but to form in Germany the extreme proletarian wing of the democratic movement. Its aim was to destroy absolutism and to unity the backward states into one democratic republic. This could only be brought about by revolutionary means. The daily paper, Neue Rheinische Zeitung, edited by Marx, was the organ of democratic revolution, but, as Engels wrote, of "a democracy which everywhere emphasized in every point the specific proletarian character." The paper, which had widespread support, became the true headquarters of the militant proletariat, the leading centre of the Communist League.
    Not only did Marx and Engels fight for national independence for the oppressed nationalities, but put forward a genuinely internationalist approach. There were other nations oppressed by reactionary German states, such as the Poles in Prussia, the Italians, Czechs and others in Austria, as well as Russian Tsarism. At this time Tsarism was the most counter-revolutionary force in Europe in the same way that American imperialism is on a world stage today.
    Marx and Engels sharply criticized the cowardly bourgeois leaders for failing to support the struggles of oppressed nations such as the Poles, Czechs, Hungarians and Italians against Prussian and Austrian despotism. The leadership of the revolution will fall to the working class. "... not the cowardly German burghers but the German workers; they will rise up, put an end to the whole filthy, muddled official German rule and with a radical revolution restore the honour of Germany", explained Engels. "Germany will liberate herself to the extent to which she sets free neighbouring nations."
    Revolution broke out in Germany on 18th March with fighting in nearly every town and barricades erected in Berlin and Vienna. The people won a series of democratic rights but control passed into the hands of the big bourgeoisie, which quickly betrayed the struggle.
    It was out of these experiences that Marx and Engels were to raise the idea of permanent revolution. The bourgeoisie were more afraid of the working class than the forces of feudal despotism. They were to play an increasingly counter-revolutionary role. They were incapable of bringing about genuine national unification, as history proved. Marx and Engels put their confidence in the working class. They believed that a successful bourgeois-democratic revolution, under the leadership of the workers, would become the prologue of the proletarian revolution and the transformation of Europe. "Before reaction can be destroyed in Italy and Germany, it must be routed in France", explained Engels. "A democratic social republic must first be proclaimed in France and the French proletariat must first subjugate its bourgeoisie before a lasting victory of democracy is conceivable in Italy, Germany, Poland, Hungary and other countries." (ibid, p.403) Marx agreed: "The Hungarian shall not be free, nor the Poles, nor the Italians, as long as the work remains a slave."
    The defeat of the 1848 revolutions removed any threat of proletarian revolution. The forces of capitalism were still maturing. It took a further 23 years before the glorious Paris Commune (the first workers' state in history) would place proletarian revolution once again on the agenda of the European continent.

    https://www.marxist.com/1848-revolutions.htm
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  3. #182
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Trump devotes seem to be..
    Sure...........

    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    and I am free to point out the flaws in your religion.
    Feel free, maybe you can engage in a debate of the facts and logic without resorting to insults and baseless accusations.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  4. #183
    You $#@!ers trampled overtop my brilliant and reasonable post to pull each other's hair and fight more.

    Like casting tits before a Spacey, I swear to God.

    Dead to me.

  5. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Marxist:


    "The year 1848 is turning out well", wrote Engels.
    Friedrich Engels..

    He put the writings of a Madman into practice.

    Lincoln Killed the Republic..and created a Federalist State. He killed the Union and created a union.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  7. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    Like casting tits before a Spacey, I swear to God.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  8. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    *citation needed*
    California 2019

  9. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    You $#@!ers trampled overtop my brilliant and reasonable post to pull each other's hair and fight more.

    Like casting tits before a Spacey, I swear to God.

    Dead to me.
    I wanted to rep your post but I have to spread more around first.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  10. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Friedrich Engels..

    He put the writings of a Madman into practice.

    Lincoln Killed the Republic..and created a Federalist State. He killed the Union and created a union.
    Lincoln was a marxist and the Republicans were a marxist party as the thread I linked to shows.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  11. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I wanted to rep your post but I have to spread more around first.
    Dead to me.
    Dead. To. Me.

  12. #190
    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    Dead to me.
    Dead. To. Me.
    I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm under attack here today and I feel the need to defend myself.
    I don't feel that way about you.
    I like your posts.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  13. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm under attack here today and I feel the need to defend myself.
    I don't feel that way about you.
    I like your posts.
    LOL

    You're fine. I'm just funnin'.
    BTW, best defense is a good offense, ya know? I'd recommend finding the thing pcosmar loves most in this world...
















    then IMMEDIATELY report that illegal male prostitute to an ICE officer!

    j/k pco. I'm a little giddy and jabberwocky with fever. Ignore me.

  14. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    LOL

    You're fine. I'm just funnin'.
    BTW, best defense is a good offense, ya know? I'd recommend finding the thing pcosmar loves most in this world...
















    then IMMEDIATELY report that illegal male prostitute to an ICE officer!

    j/k pco. I'm a little giddy and jabberwocky with fever. Ignore me.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  16. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm under attack here today and I feel the need to defend myself.
    I don't feel that way about you.
    I like your posts.
    Actually,, the Clown prince Trump is under attack..
    You are attempting to defend Trump and think you are defending yourself.

    and that sort of mental confusion is why people think you are a Cultist.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  17. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm under attack here today and I feel the need to defend myself.
    Now put yourself in the shoes of 3 Million residents and business owners along that 2,000 mile stretch.

  18. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Actually,, the Clown prince Trump is under attack..
    You are attempting to defend Trump and think you are defending yourself.

    and that sort of mental confusion is why people think you are a Cultist.
    No, if you read the posts directed at ME today you would see that I am the one who is being attacked personally.
    But you didn't bother to look at what I was talking about before posting.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  19. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Now put yourself in the shoes of 3 Million residents and business owners along that 2,000 mile stretch.


    1 I don't support the wall
    2 Put yourself into the shoes of the Hundreds of millions of Americans whose rights are under attack by the invaders and the collaborators
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  20. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post
    LOL

    You're fine. I'm just funnin'.
    BTW, best defense is a good offense, ya know? I'd recommend finding the thing pcosmar loves most in this world...
















    then IMMEDIATELY report that illegal male prostitute to an ICE officer!

    j/k pco. I'm a little giddy and jabberwocky with fever. Ignore me.
    What if America is what he loves most in the world?

  21. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Wooden Indian View Post

    j/k pco. I'm a little giddy and jabberwocky with fever. Ignore me.
    Hope you feel better.
    still looking for a battle of wit, but finding only light fencing.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  22. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Now put yourself in the shoes of 3 Million residents and business owners along that 2,000 mile stretch.
    https://www.henrycuellar.com/news-cl...tional-average

    STATISTICS SHOW CITIES ALONG BORDER HAVE LOWER CRIME RATE THAN NATIONAL AVERAGE


    WASHINGTON, D.C. - Rep. Henry Cuellar released Wednesday the latest statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation that show lower violent crime rates in cities along the Texas-Mexico border than in other major metropolitan areas across Texas and the U.S.

    The data released by the FBI shows information gathered for 2015.

    "The border is often painted in an unfair light," Cuellar said. "The people who characterize the border as a violent and crime-ridden place often have never visited, or lived here. The FBI's official crime statistics for yet another year demonstrate that the border is home to some of the safest cities in the United States. Violent crimes like murder and aggravated assault are much higher even in our nation’s capital than on the Texas border. These unfounded stereotypes about the border have the potential to hurt business, and we need to stop this misinformation about the border."

    The latest FBI crime statistics (2015) show:

    The murder rates in Detroit and Washington, D.C., were more than twice the murder rates in Laredo, McAllen, Brownsville and El Paso combined.

    The aggravated assault rate was lower in border cities compared to other Texas and U.S. cities. The statistics show Detroit's aggravated assault rate was almost 19 times the rate in McAllen, Texas. Washington, D.C., was more than 10 times the rate of McAllen.

    The murder rates in Houston, Dallas and San Antonio were more than twice the murder rate of Laredo, McAllen, Brownsville and El Paso, respectively.

    The robbery rates in border cities were less than half of the rates in Detroit and Washington, D.C., and significantly lower than Dallas, Houston, or San Antonio.

    The rape rate was significantly lower, often by half or more, in Brownsville and McAllen than in most major cities in Texas, and in major cities like Chicago, Washington and Detroit.

  23. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    What if America is what he loves most in the world?
    America is a Male Prostitute?

    Woah !
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom



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  25. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    What if America is what he loves most in the world?
    That would explain why America's been walking funny.

  26. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    No, if you read the posts directed at ME today you would see that I am the one who is being attacked personally.
    But you didn't bother to look at what I was talking about before posting.
    No,, I responded to the Lincoln as Marxist comment..

    and it is ridiculous,, Though Socialism in many forms was infecting the world at the time...
    Lincoln took the Federalist Arguments position. and turned this into the Federalist states of America.. No longer a Union of Free States but a Centralized Federal Government dictating to the states.. It prepared the way for the Socialist Coup of 1913.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  27. #203
    The invaders don't stay in the border towns and there are other groups with higher crime rates that are concentrated in other areas.

    Also an awful lot of crime goes unreported in the illegal community.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  28. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post


    1 I don't support the wall
    2 Put yourself into the shoes of the Hundreds of millions of Americans whose rights are under attack by the invaders and the collaborators
    1. ??? I don’t think you know the answer to that.
    2. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for most government programs. I feel no different than I did last year, I am still supporting Section 8 recipients, most of which in my daily encounters are multi-generational Americans. In two states, since I live near the border.
    3. I will not compound problems by adding to government induced problems by supporting non-liberty initiatives. Certainly not giving what does not belong to me to the Fed.
    4. Private Property Rights is the essence of Liberty. Which this forum should be advocating - how we can regain that back, not move away from it.

  29. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    No,, I responded to the Lincoln as Marxist comment..
    That has nothing to do with the fact that I have been under personal attack today and you claimed that only Trump was being attacked.

    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    and it is ridiculous,, Though Socialism in many forms was infecting the world at the time...
    Lincoln took the Federalist Arguments position. and turned this into the Federalist states of America.. No longer a Union of Free States but a Centralized Federal Government dictating to the states.. It prepared the way for the Socialist Coup of 1913.
    Go to the thread and read, I'm not going to re post its contents here.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Now the marxists believe in private property?

  31. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    1. ??? I don’t think you know the answer to that.
    2. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for most government programs. I feel no different than I did last year, I am still supporting Section 8 recipients, most of which in my daily encounters are multi-generational Americans. In two states, since I live near the border.
    3. I will not compound problems by adding to government induced problems by supporting non-liberty initiatives. Certainly not giving what does not belong to me to the Fed.
    4. Private Property Rights is the essence of Liberty. Which this forum should be advocating - how we can regain that back, not move away from it.
    Illegal immigrants are not eligible for federal government programs. Legal immigrants must be in the country at least five years before they are eligible for any. "If we just ended benefits they would stop coming! They are only here for the free stuff!" If they are lazy and want free stuff, it is easier to stay where they were.

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    As soon as the IRS is abolished, i'll agree that we dont need a barrier. But right now i pay into this cluster$#@!, so technically i am a common owner.



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  34. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    1. ??? I don’t think you know the answer to that.
    2. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for most government programs. I feel no different than I did last year, I am still supporting Section 8 recipients, most of which in my daily encounters are multi-generational Americans. In two states, since I live near the border.
    3. I will not compound problems by adding to government induced problems by supporting non-liberty initiatives. Certainly not giving what does not belong to me to the Fed.
    4. Private Property Rights is the essence of Liberty. Which this forum should be advocating - how we can regain that back, not move away from it.
    1. They get welfare and they vote for it at higher rates than the natives, that has been proven and I have shown you the proof before.
    2. I don't support the wall
    3. property rights will be lost entirely if something isn't done and while I prefer increased patrols the wall will help to stop that and it is Constitutional and legal
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  35. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    .... still looking for a battle of wit, but finding only light fencing.
    Nice... that was boarder'line o-fence'ive and packed a real wall'op.


    ....eh... I'll see myself out.

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