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Thread: Texan landowners don't want their land stolen for Trump's wall

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    That homesteading land was there long before the government thefted it away. Your analogy is not to live anywhere govt. decides to draw a line on a map or piece of paper.
    Great way to put it.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I said I don't like eminent domain.. but, like angela said, this is also constitutional.. it's probably one of the more legitimate forms of eminent domain, maybe the only one really.. we are trying to prevent an invasion of our country. Sorry if I don't want to live in an even more socialist country than I already do..
    Ok, never mind your government-induced fears... You can make that case. But to go after this guy saying he must be profiting from trafficking illegals??! That was low. What do you know about him? Maybe he just thinks he owns his land.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Times have changed, for the worse.
    Thanks for finally noticing.

  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Ok, never mind your government-induced fears... You can make that case. But to go after this guy saying he must be profiting from trafficking illegals??! That was low. What do you know about him? Maybe he just thinks he owns his land.
    Even if he is trafficking "illegals" (kind of a silly label, honestly), so what? It's his land. If he's not helping kidnappers or something, more power to him. The government has no business interfering. And the very fact that there is demand for such an enterprise only attests to the way the government has corrupted the market by trying to keep immigration suppressed below a level the market demands. If they would just let as many people as want to come in through legal ports of entry and stay here and work as long as they want legally, then there wouldn't exist a need for anyone to traffic "illegals" except in cases where they were actually doing something that warranted violent action to stop them.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 01-10-2019 at 12:34 PM.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post


    It isn't?

    Really ?

    What is it about? Is this guy illegally corroborating with the invaders?

    I don't like eminent domain, but I can't imagine buying land on the border and thinking that there would never be a fence or a wall built.. and when it is, they get a big cash payment and better protection of their private property. For free.. really doesn't sound so horrible.

    I also would be willing to bet the vast majority of landowners would prefer a wall or fence be built, unless they are getting payoffs from the cartels and smugglers.. which may be the case here. Could also be that he is a Democrat and this is an ideological thing as well, since apparently money is not the primary driver.

    Wouldn't surprise me if the media is reaching out to the tiny minority of landowners who have deals setup with the cartels..


    You actually enlarged the text on that statist spin, holy hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post


    It isn't?

    Really ?

    What is it about? Is this guy illegally corroborating with the invaders?

    I don't like eminent domain, but I can't imagine buying land on the border and thinking that there would never be a fence or a wall built.. and when it is, they get a big cash payment and better protection of their private property. For free.. really doesn't sound so horrible.

    I also would be willing to bet the vast majority of landowners would prefer a wall or fence be built, unless they are getting payoffs from the cartels and smugglers.. which may be the case here. Could also be that he is a Democrat and this is an ideological thing as well, since apparently money is not the primary driver.

    Wouldn't surprise me if the media is reaching out to the tiny minority of landowners who have deals setup with the cartels..


    Exactly.

    I'm against eminent domain, but you can't expect to have land on the border of your country and never have an eminent domain issue. That's just ridiculous.

    And as far as removing incentives, of course! We need BOTH.
    Just removing incentives is NOT going to stop the human traffickers, gangs, and others pouring into the country. The incentives make it more attractive to a lot of these people, but without them they would STILL be coming here. Without a doubt.

    This isn't some sort of free, beautiful, loving, wonderful, civilized world where all libertarian ideals are met.
    Not happening. This is reality and you have to do the best with what you have.
    Yes, we absolutely need a wall. AND we need to cut off all incentives. Both.
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    and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it. -Ron Paul

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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    You actually enlarged the text on that statist spin, holy hell.

    Welcome to the New and Improved "Liberty Movement" (TM). Now with 70% more authoritarian bull$#@!.
    Chris

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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    Exactly.

    I'm against eminent domain, but you can't expect to have land on the border of your country and never have an eminent domain issue. That's just ridiculous. snip
    Why is that? How many years, decades, centuries has that property been there without this issue coming up?
    "The Patriarch"

    willie with tan lines: enjoy the shots and the woman
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    You actually enlarged the text on that statist spin, holy hell.
    If there was a "normalize" text I would use that, but it came out something like this originally.
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  12. #40
    I wonder what the goobermint would see as 'just compensation'?

    A 50' high wall in your back yard... it would obscure the view.


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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Why is that? How many years, decades, centuries has that property been there without this issue coming up?
    Because no-one else has addressed and tried to fix the problems.
    There is only one kind of freedom and that's individual liberty. Our lives come from our creator
    and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it. -Ron Paul

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  15. #42
    I remember, not all that long ago, when the overwhelming majority of people here were arguing vehemently AGAINST eminent domain seizures to build the NAFTA Superhighway, which I hasten to add were every bit as CONstitutional as those for Trump's big beautiful wall. I guess things are different when some people like the reason for which government seizes other people's property.
    Last edited by CCTelander; 01-10-2019 at 12:59 PM.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    Because no-one else has addressed and tried to fix the problems.
    The (generally hyped up, and not so bad in reality) "problems" you refer to are the result of government action, generally government actions that have come about fairly recently in history. They didn't exist or need to be addressed until the government created them. The solution is to undo those actions, not to create more big-government bandaids to supposedly fix them only to create more government-created problems that will become your excuse for another big-government solution the year after that, and so on in an endless cycle.
    Last edited by Superfluous Man; 01-10-2019 at 01:14 PM.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by PursuePeace View Post
    Because no-one else has addressed and tried to fix the problems.
    I'm thinking you may be severely disappointed my friend, and that statement is not accurate.
    "The Patriarch"

    willie with tan lines: enjoy the shots and the woman
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I remember, not all that long ago, when the overwhelming majority of people here were arguing vehemently AGAINST eminent domain seizures to build the NAFTA Superhighway, which I hasten to add were every bit as CONstitutional as those for Trump's big beautiful wall. I guess things are different when some people like the reason for which government seizes other people's property.
    Completely different issues present different responses. Wow thanks Mr. Confucius.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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  19. #46
    OK, so let's use private funds (I think that "Build The Wall go fund me is up to 30 or 40 million so far) to buy the deeded rights of way along which to build said wall.

    Problem solved, right?

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    Completely different issues present different responses. Wow thanks Mr. Confucius.
    Did you notice that whizzing sound just over your head?
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    The "problems" you refer to are the result of government action, generally government actions that have come about fairly recently in history. They didn't exist or need to be addressed until the government created them. The solution is to undo those actions, not to create more big-government bandaids to supposedly fix them only to create more government-created problems that will become your excuse for another big-government solution the year after that, and so on in an endless cycle.
    EXACTLY.

    Heaven forbid we should have free trade, no entitlements & local charity instead of federal.

    Plus the WoD is the reason for cartels etc. It is a big money maker for the alphabets- not to mention .gov actions of coups in C & S America & military bases all over.

    This immigrant "problem" is a distraction- illegals have not increased- it's only to have people run around screaming "Muh culture!" while other real insidious freedom losses are taking place
    Last edited by Ender; 01-11-2019 at 04:06 PM.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    OK, so let's use private funds (I think that "Build The Wall go fund me is up to 30 or 40 million so far) to buy the deeded rights of way along which to build said wall.

    Problem solved, right?
    Nope, the government is already making very fair offers to the landowners and the guy in the article said he wouldn't take a trillion dollars if it were offered to him...

    I was pondering why the guy in the article wouldn't take a trillion dollars. He said it isn't about money.. so what is it is about? Is he a cartel member? Operating with the cartel? Or maybe he is pro-invasion? Democrat SJW?

    Or maybe Mr. Cavazos just wants to keep his nice view of the rio grande..
    Last edited by dannno; 01-10-2019 at 01:18 PM.
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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    OK, so let's use private funds (I think that "Build The Wall go fund me is up to 30 or 40 million so far) to buy the deeded rights of way along which to build said wall.

    Problem solved, right?
    Very good idea.

    Give the immigration restrictionists a chance to put their money where their mouth is.

    That may be the only way to get them to do the cost-benefit analysis that would show them how stupid of a waste of money it is.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    OK, so let's use private funds (I think that "Build The Wall go fund me is up to 30 or 40 million so far) to buy the deeded rights of way along which to build said wall.

    Problem solved, right?
    How do you buy something that is not for sale?

  28. #54
    I'd give folks a choice. If they don't want the wall then they must take personal responsibility for enforcing the border along their property. That or, give out MapQuest directions to the homes of every libertarian here who makes the claim that they have the right to invite whoever they want onto their property.

    We'll see which option is more practical.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    How do you buy something that is not for sale?
    In this case, you buy the land that is for sale, or would be for sale at a high enough price, surrounding the property of the stick in the mud, and just build the wall on the north side of his land, rather than the south.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    In this case, you buy the land that is for sale, or would be for sale at a high enough price, surrounding the property of the stick in the mud, and just build the wall on the north side of his land, rather than the south.
    Hah, that would be funny.. he wouldn't be able to get into the US tho..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Nope, the government is already making very fair offers to the landowners and the guy in the article said he wouldn't take a trillion dollars if it were offered to him...

    I was pondering why the guy in the article wouldn't take a trillion dollars. He said it isn't about money.. so what is it is about? Is he a cartel member? Operating with the cartel? Or maybe he is pro-invasion? Democrat SJW?

    Or maybe he just wants to keep his nice view of the rio grande..
    Or maybe he's like the Bundys & considers this is "home" & wants to keep his own property?

    LOL- property rights are the basis of freedom- unless it's something that affects someone else over something we want to scream about- amirite?
    There is no spoon.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Hah, that would be funny.. he wouldn't be able to get into the US tho..
    And really, why should he think he has any right to do that anyway?

  34. #59
    I just figured it out. Treat the border wall like a sidewalk. The property owner has to pay to put in a sidewalk and has to keep it clean and unobstructed. If the property owner fails to shovel snow off of said sidewalk the property owner gets fined. Very simple solution. Legislate that all property on southern border must have approved fencing. Property owners must put in the fence or have lien for cost of fence put on the property. Put all illegal immigration entry issues on the property owner. If someone crosses into USA on your property, property owner gets fined. Government could offer a one time deal to have fence erected with tax subsidy. If Property owner refuses, slap them with fines, penalties, and build the fence anyway for them and charge them for it.
    As the creative juices of legislation flow from my brain to my keyboard it even gets simpler. It is even easier than that for the federal government. Legislate that states are required to make sure that the border has fencing and is maintained. Fine the states if they don't maintain the fencing. Have the states deal with the property owners. Don't worry about the wall. Monitor and document illegal crossings via satellite or drones. Fine the state for every illegal they allow to cross said line in the sand. States can then legislate that individual property owners need to do....... and fine individual property owners. Levy fines and take over properties when tax liens are not paid.
    Could legislate a new alphabet organization. The BMA. Border Management Authority.

    The key to border security is more legislation! Taxes! Fines! Even Imprisonment!

    Why should someone in Kansas have to pay for a wall or fence in Texas or California. Those people own their property! Have them care for it and secure it!

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Or maybe he's like the Bundys & considers this is "home" & wants to keep his own property?

    LOL- property rights are the basis of freedom- unless it's something that affects someone else over something we want to scream about- amirite?
    This isn't at all like the Bundy's.. they were trying to take ALL his grazing land. In this case they are just putting a fence up along the edge of your property, and paying you for it.. giving you more security over your property.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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