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    Texan landowners don't want their land stolen for Trump's wall

    As Trump visits border, Texas landowners prepare wall fight

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...-fight-n957191

    Texas Landowners Prepare Wall Fight

    https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...ps-border-wall



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    Move along. Nothing to see here.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Move along. Nothing to see here.

    Private property rights are a small price to pay for something so critically important as this immigration "crisis." Can't make an omelette...
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Undocumented immigrants don’t qualify for most government programs, so the Fed wants control so that bankrupted businesses and those it used to employ can pick up the slack and rely on government assist.

    Makes sense.

    Wait until the UN/IUO USMCA goes into affect to really see prices skyrocket in this country, and others.

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    "You could give me a trillion dollars and I wouldn't take it," said Cavazos, whose land sits along the Rio Grande, the river separating the U.S. and Mexico in Texas. "It's not about money."


    It isn't?

    Really ?

    What is it about? Is this guy illegally collaborating with the invaders?

    I don't like eminent domain, but I can't imagine buying land on the border and thinking that there would never be a fence or a wall built.. and when it is, they get a big cash payment and better protection of their private property. For free.. really doesn't sound so horrible.

    I also would be willing to bet the vast majority of landowners would prefer a wall or fence be built, unless they are getting payoffs from the cartels and smugglers.. which may be the case here. Could also be that he is a Democrat and this is an ideological thing as well, since apparently money is not the primary driver.

    Wouldn't surprise me if the media is reaching out to the tiny minority of landowners who have deals setup with the cartels..


    Last edited by dannno; 01-10-2019 at 02:41 PM.
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    It's Constitutional.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post


    It isn't?

    Really ?

    What is it about? Is this guy illegally corroborating with the invaders?

    I don't like eminent domain, but I can't imagine buying land on the border and thinking that there would never be a fence or a wall built..

    I also would be willing to bet the vast majority of landowners would prefer a wall or fence be built, unless they are getting payoffs from the smugglers.. which is probably the case here.

    Wouldn't surprise me if the media is reaching out to the tiny minority of landowners who have deals setup with the cartels..


    That’s why Private Property is so essential to Liberty... it’s none of your business what he/she/somebody else does.

    Once Private Property is forfeited to the Fed, you are no longer a 60% slave, but a 100% owned one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post


    It isn't?

    Really ?

    What is it about? Is this guy illegally corroborating with the invaders?

    I don't like eminent domain, but I can't imagine buying land on the border and thinking that there would never be a fence or a wall built..

    I also would be willing to bet the vast majority of landowners would prefer a wall or fence be built, unless they are getting payoffs from the smugglers.. which is probably the case here.

    Wouldn't surprise me if the media is reaching out to the tiny minority of landowners who have deals setup with the cartels..


    Really, dannno? You impugn the integrity of a landowner?? Can't a guy just say, "It's my property - that's why!"? I'm seriously starting to question you Trump guys...

    Since when does it matter the reason why you want liberty?? You guys seem to think you only get liberty if it's for a reason you approve of.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire



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    The Greater Good hath infected the RPFs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    It's Constitutional.

    So was chattel slavery.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    It's Constitutional.
    Oh. Well. As long it's "legal".
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Remove the incentive and we dont need a wall, much less the need to exercise eminent domain. Taking away incentives also addresses other issues, beyond illegal immigration.

    Gulag Chief:
    "Article 58-1a, twenty five years... What did you get it for?"
    Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
    Gulag Chief: "You're lying... The sentence for nothing at all is 10 years"



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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    It's Constitutional.
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    So was chattel slavery.

    And keeping women and coloreds from voting, wars all over the world, indefinite detention, enhanced interrogation. I could go on for hours.

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    Personally I see only two major reasons to oppose added security . One is any loss of private property and the other being afraid you cannot go over to the other side if you want . As far as I know mexico is not refusing the dollars you want to spend in Mexico . So really we are down to one . Build it on the Mexican side . The problems arise from there so .......
    Do something Danke

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    Well I am not a land owner so why should it bother me if the government can take away other peoples land?

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    What would happen in a libertarian utopia? Are these land owners willing to repel invaders themselves with physical barriers and patrols? Highly unlikely, they pass along that burden to the government, thus the government takes action.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Oh. Well. As long it's "legal".
    I'm not a fan, but I'm not about to yammer about "stealing land" when I openly identify as a constitutional conservative. The government is allowed to take land for public use as long as they compensate the land owners.

    If you don't like it, change the constitution.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Immigration restrictionism is based on the premise that, not just along the border, but all land within the jurisdiction of the federal government, belongs to the federal government, and anybody who is nominally the private owner of any parcel of it is just a tenant on that government land.

    It's logically impossible to believe in such a thing as private land ownership while also supporting immigration restriction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Really, dannno? You impugn the integrity of a landowner?? Can't a guy just say, "It's my property - that's why!"? I'm seriously starting to question you Trump guys...

    Since when does it matter the reason why you want liberty?? You guys seem to think you only get liberty if it's for a reason you approve of.

    Three cheers for "compromise!"
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikcers View Post
    Well I am not a land owner so why should it bother me if the government can take away other peoples land?
    Yep , I am a land owner and would fight to keep mine That said it is tiring to think people want to pretend congress will eliminate the incentives . So I really have no side to take . If I owned a ranch there I may not want it on my property depending on the location , the guy who owns the ranch north of me would probably be happy if it did exist . What they would both agree on is congress will not take freebies away .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Really, dannno? You impugn the integrity of a landowner?? Can't a guy just say, "It's my property - that's why!"? I'm seriously starting to question you Trump guys...

    Since when does it matter the reason why you want liberty?? You guys seem to think you only get liberty if it's for a reason you approve of.
    I said I don't like eminent domain.. but, like angela said, this is also constitutional.. it's probably one of the more legitimate forms of eminent domain, maybe the only one really.. we are trying to prevent an invasion of our country. Sorry if I don't want to live in an even more socialist country than I already do..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    What would happen in a libertarian utopia? Are these land owners willing to repel invaders themselves with physical barriers and patrols? Highly unlikely, they pass along that burden to the government, thus the government takes action.
    I see no reason they should not be allowed to if they so wish , but you are right , the majority would defer .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Immigration restrictionism is based on the premise that, not just along the border, but all land within the jurisdiction of the federal government, belongs to the federal government, and anybody who is nominally the private owner of any parcel of it is just a tenant on that government land.

    It's logically impossible to believe in such a thing as private land ownership while also supporting immigration restriction.
    The Fed govt should not own all the land they do most certainly but I doubt they are going to change that .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    That’s why Private Property is so essential to Liberty... it’s none of your business what he/she/somebody else does.

    Once Private Property is forfeited to the Fed, you are no longer a 60% slave, but a 100% owned one.
    If you don't want a wall or a fence on the edge of your property, I recommend not buying property RIGHT ON the border of the country you live in. Any other time I will defend the landowner to the end, but this is kind of silly. They are getting a big payout, they are getting better protection of their property, and they live on the border where they should sort of expect to have a barrier..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    Quote Originally Posted by spudea View Post
    What would happen in a libertarian utopia? Are these land owners willing to repel invaders themselves with physical barriers and patrols? Highly unlikely, they pass along that burden to the government, thus the government takes action.
    On your Private Property put your own fence up on your own dime. What I do/don’t do with my own property is my own business. I don’t rely on socialism/welfare, certainly not the FedGov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    they live on the border where they should sort of expect to have a barrier.
    Before 9/11 a statement like this would have sounded ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brushfire View Post
    Remove the incentive and we dont need a wall, much less the need to exercise eminent domain. Taking away incentives also addresses other issues, beyond illegal immigration.
    Yeah. Make everybody poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Before 9/11 a statement like this would have sounded ludicrous.
    What a difference 18 years of being $#@!ed with can make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    If you don't want a wall or a fence on the edge of your property, I recommend not buying property RIGHT ON the border of the country you live in. Any other time I will defend the landowner to the end, but this is kind of silly. They are getting a big payout, they are getting better protection of their property, and they live on the border where they should sort of expect to have a barrier..
    That homesteading land was there long before the government thefted it away. Your analogy is not to live anywhere govt. decides to draw a line on a map or piece of paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Before 9/11 a statement like this would have sounded ludicrous.

    Three years ago, on this very forum, such a statement would have been roundly condemned by almost everyone, and the person who uttered it would have been excoriated. Times have changed, for the worse.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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