Texan landowners don't want their land stolen for Trump's wall

[PAF]

When you are losing the argument you resort to insults and partial quotes.

You leftists are all the same.

I support the preservation of liberty, you support the invaders who want to take away my liberty.

I support my own liberty, which also preserves other individuals liberty. This you do not get, nor ever will.

[Swordsmyth]

I support my own liberty, which also preserves other individuals liberty. This you do not get, nor ever will.

No, you support the invaders and their intent to interfere with my liberty, I support my own liberty and the liberty of my fellow Americans, I also support not interfering in the liberty of others.

[Stratovarious]

Remove the incentive and we dont need a wall, much less the need to exercise eminent domain. Taking away incentives also addresses other issues, beyond illegal immigration.

I've been saying that for years, however its flawed I realize this year;
Gang bangers like ms13 thrive off of criminal enterprise, you can't remove that incentive,
felons coming here to avoid Mexican Jails, can't remove that incentive, terrorists wanting
to infiltrate , disease ridden that already have a connection here, you just can't keep these
and many other undesirables and plain dangerous people out, we do need to kill All Incentives
for sure, the wall is not enough but it is definitely part of a comprehensive pkg , INV.

[Stratovarious]

As Trump visits border, Texas landowners prepare wall fight

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...-fight-n957191

Texas Landowners Prepare Wall Fight Texan landowners don't want their land stolen for Trump's wall

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...ps-border-wall

''well now Andy'' wus' you this vocal about Obama's land Grabs, millions of acres ?

[Stratovarious]

I just figured it out. Treat the border wall like a sidewalk. The property owner has to pay to put in a sidewalk and has to keep it clean and unobstructed. If the property owner fails to shovel snow off of said sidewalk the property owner gets fined. Very simple solution. Legislate that all property on southern border must have approved fencing. Property owners must put in the fence or have lien for cost of fence put on the property. Put all illegal immigration entry issues on the property owner. If someone crosses into USA on your property, property owner gets fined. Government could offer a one time deal to have fence erected with tax subsidy. If Property owner refuses, slap them with fines, penalties, and build the fence anyway for them and charge them for it.
As the creative juices of legislation flow from my brain to my keyboard it even gets simpler. It is even easier than that for the federal government. Legislate that states are required to make sure that the border has fencing and is maintained. Fine the states if they don't maintain the fencing. Have the states deal with the property owners. Don't worry about the wall. Monitor and document illegal crossings via satellite or drones. Fine the state for every illegal they allow to cross said line in the sand. States can then legislate that individual property owners need to do....... and fine individual property owners. Levy fines and take over properties when tax liens are not paid.
Could legislate a new alphabet organization. The BMA. Border Management Authority.

The key to border security is more legislation! Taxes! Fines! Even Imprisonment!

Why should someone in Kansas have to pay for a wall or fence in Texas or California. Those people own their property! Have them care for it and secure it!

To the best of my recollection Border issues are one of few areas where the Fed actually has responsibility
accordin' to our Constitution. I think states also have the right, but the Fed is responsible.

[Origanalist]

I've been saying that for years, however its flawed I realize this year;
Gang bangers like ms13 thrive off of criminal enterprise, you can't remove that incentive,
felons coming here to avoid Mexican Jails, can't remove that incentive, terrorists wanting
to infiltrate , disease ridden that already have a connection here, you just can't keep these
and many other undesirables and plain dangerous people out, we do need to kill All Incentives
for sure, the wall is not enough but it is definitely part of a comprehensive pkg , INV.

End the war on drugs and quit bombing other countries that aren't attacking us, that would solve much of your worries.

[Stratovarious]

I don't think anyone here is wildly ecstatic about eminent domain , however as I've seen mentioned
here recently, how would we ever be able to build transportation infrastructure, a seawall, certainly
protecting our border must weigh in there somewhere, Obama stole land from the people
for ridiculous reasons, millions of acres, in fact he used eminent domain for border fencing and security,
you don't hear about that on CNN et al. But now the GINORMOUS WHINE , thems' poor beat down
border families has' to sell off some acreage to the fed , I'll bet some of the, beaten , murdered, and
raped, border residents would have been ok with the implementation of eminent domain for a wall.

[Origanalist]

I don't think anyone here is wildly ecstatic about eminent domain , however as I've seen mentioned
here recently, how would we ever be able to build transportation infrastructure, a seawall, certainly
protecting our border must weigh in there somewhere, Obama stole land from the people
for ridiculous reasons, millions of acres, in fact he used eminent domain for border fencing and security,
you don't hear about that on CNN et al. But now the GINORMOUS WHINE , thems' poor beat down
border families has' to sell off some acreage to the fed , I'll bet some of the, beaten , murdered, and
raped, border residents would have been ok with the implementation of eminent domain for a wall.

End the war on drugs and quit bombing other countries that aren't attacking us, that would solve much of your worries.

[Swordsmyth]

End the war on drugs and quit bombing other countries that aren't attacking us, that would solve much of your worries.

We would be much richer and they would still come and they would still vote communist.

[Stratovarious]

End the war on drugs and quit bombing other countries that aren't attacking us, that would solve much of your worries.

It ain't da' drugs that troubles me, but yea, I've written this at least a thousand times
on the interweb;
Become self sufficient in all sectors from agriculture to energy , let the middle east piss on each other
till they turn blue. We are not constitutionally authorized to take on the roll as world police.
We facilitated the deaths of a million Iraqi citizens, people are gonna hate us for that sort
of thing, we need to oust the war hawks.
Drug laws are unconstitutional and not needed, they need to be repealed, but that is not
the only criminal enterprise incentive that can never be solved by removing 'incentives' .

We do need to kill all sanctuary cities, all freebies, but that alone is not enough to keep
out Ebola, tuberculosis, hepatitis, murderers , rapists, terrorists.

[Origanalist]

We would be much richer and they would still come and they would still vote communist.

[Swordsmyth]

We wouldn't be much richer if we didn't waste money on the WoD and the other wars?

[Origanalist]

It ain't da' drugs that troubles me, but yea, I've written this at least a thousand times
on the interweb;
Become self sufficient in all sectors from agriculture to energy , let the middle east piss on each other
till they turn blue. We are not constitutionally authorized to take on the roll as world police.
We facilitated the deaths of a million Iraqi citizens, people are gonna hate us for that sort
of thing, we need to oust the war hawks.
Drug laws are unconstitutional and not needed, they need to be repealed, but that is not
the only criminal enterprise incentive that can never be solved by removing 'incentives' .

We do need to kill all sanctuary cities, all freebies, but that alone is not enough to keep
out Ebola, tuberculosis, hepatitis, murderers , rapists, terrorists.

I have no problem with screening for diseases, or coordinating with Mexico to keep out "murderers , rapists, terrorists"

What I am saying is, again, end the war on drugs and quit bombing other countries that aren't attacking us, that would solve much of your worries.

We do NOT need the middle easts oil, and they would sell it to us quite freely regardless. I don't think we have to drop bombs there to purchase oil. Take away the drugs and you take most of the power away from the gangs you're worried about. Everybody knows this whether they will admit it or not. You don't see gang wars over alcohol anymore for that simple reason.

[Anti Federalist]

End the war on drugs and quit bombing other countries that aren't attacking us, that would solve much of your worries.

The prison reform bill that Trump signed and supported goes a long way toward doing that.

The Syrian pullout goes a long way toward doing that.

Pointing that out to people and supporting these actions does not make one a "Trump Humper".

[Origanalist]

We wouldn't be much richer if we didn't waste money on the WoD and the other wars?

I don't know that we would be that much richer, somewhat, yes. Social services take up a huge amount of money, that and the huge bloated bureaucracies.

[Anti Federalist]

It’s all about agendas and priorities. And most people just inherit and preach the current dogma of their group. Democrats have done a 180 on the issue in recent decades, so you know there is no principle involved there. It actually contradicts and makes worse many of their other issues, like wages, jobs, housing and carbon footprint (climate change).

Their primary issue is the gaining of power.

From that standpoint, migrant invasion makes perfect sense.

[Swordsmyth]

I don't know that we would be that much richer, somewhat, yes. Social services take up a huge amount of money, that and the huge bloated bureaucracies.

We would be much richer, the DoD budget and the WoD budget are HUGE.

[Stratovarious]

I have no problem with screening for diseases, or coordinating with Mexico to keep out "murderers , rapists, terrorists"

What I am saying is, again, end the war on drugs and quit bombing other countries that aren't attacking us, that would solve much of your worries.

We do NOT need the middle easts oil, and they would sell it to us quite freely regardless. I don't think we have to drop bombs there to purchase oil. Take away the drugs and you take most of the power away from the gangs you're worried about. Everybody knows this whether they will admit it or not. You don't see gang wars over alcohol anymore for that simple reason.

I agree with all you said there , but we still need something magical to happen at the border, status quo will
never work there, and look to the mob to understand how criminal enterprise expands into other
markets as one dries, up; extortion, murder, numbers (well they may not be that smart) , but they are not
going to suddenly go away because pot is legal, plus we know very well that we are talking about
a pipe dream when we talk about repealing drug laws , that's not going to happen within the next
five or ten years , we know that, so we need to deal with what we have on the table.
I would say that with Trump, especially with the latest Syria announcement we may have solved,
one piece of the puzzle, well it's a start.

[Origanalist]

The prison reform bill that Trump signed and supported goes a long way toward doing that.

The Syrian pullout goes a long way toward doing that.

Pointing that out to people and supporting these actions does not make one a "Trump Humper".

No, I'm on board with both. I may be more impatient than I should be with all the cross talk and confusion surrounding the Syria issue but I'm on record here saying I'll support him in 2020 if he pulls us out of there and Afghanistan. That's way beyond what my expectations were.

[Stratovarious]

We would be much richer, the DoD budget and the WoD budget are HUGE.

And don't forget , we can lose 1.2 trillion under the carpets of the Pentagon, with barely a raised brow, there is money available to be sure, it may not ease inflation lol, but its there.

[Origanalist]

I agree with all you said there , but we still need something magical to happen at the border, status quo will
never work there, and look to the mob to understand how criminal enterprise expands into other
markets as one dries, up; extortion, murder, numbers (well they may not be that smart) , but they are not
going to suddenly go away because pot is legal, plus we know very well that we are talking about
a pipe dream when we talk about repealing drug laws , that's not going to happen within the next
five or ten years , we know that, so we need to deal with what we have on the table.
I would say that with Trump, especially with the latest Syria announcement we may have solved,
one piece of the puzzle, well it's a start.

Well, thinking the gangs will go away or even greatly diminish because of a wall is also a pipe dream. The only thing that's effective is to take away their income.

[Anti Federalist]

"Clear a path you mother $#@!er, I'm going home!!!"

D-Fense has become my spirit guide.

[Anti Federalist]

No, I'm on board with both. I may be more impatient than I should be with all the cross talk and confusion surrounding the Syria issue but I'm on record here saying I'll support him in 2020 if he pulls us out of there and Afghanistan. That's way beyond what my expectations were.

I know you are, I'm just using the chance to point it out.

I will as well.

[Stratovarious]

Well, thinking the gangs will go away or even greatly diminish because of a wall is also a pipe dream. The only thing that's effective is to take away their income.

Of course, there is no argument there, we are looking at a border that is pretty wide open,
leaving it that way is not going to work out well for us.
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I yield my remaining minutes back to Origanalist.

[Slave Mentality]

The (generally hyped up, and not so bad in reality) "problems" you refer to are the result of government action, generally government actions that have come about fairly recently in history. They didn't exist or need to be addressed until the government created them. The solution is to undo those actions, not to create more big-government bandaids to supposedly fix them only to create more government-created problems that will become your excuse for another big-government solution the year after that, and so on in an endless cycle.

You would think folks around here could spot it easily - PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION. I can guarantee that any “solution” involving more of Uncle is not going to end up a win for liberty.

[Swordsmyth]

You would think folks around here could spot it easily - PROBLEM, REACTION, SOLUTION. I can guarantee that any “solution” involving more of Uncle is not going to end up a win for liberty.

I guarantee that the problem if left unchecked will be much worse, I have a different solution that I prefer but I'm not going to try and preserve the problem until it kills me.

[A Son of Liberty]

Exactly.

I'm against eminent domain gun control laws, but you can't expect to have land a gun on the border of your country in a highly populated area and never have an eminent domain gun control issue. That's just ridiculous.

Hmmph. Look at that, would ya... Isn't that something?

[Swordsmyth]

Hmmph. Look at that, would ya... Isn't that something?

Apples to billiard balls.

[A Son of Liberty]

Apples to billiard balls.

Says you.

[Anti Globalist]

OK, so let's use private funds (I think that "Build The Wall go fund me is up to 30 or 40 million so far) to buy the deeded rights of way along which to build said wall.

Problem solved, right?

This.