Texan landowners don't want their land stolen for Trump's wall

[Zippyjuan]

People falling through the cracks in the wall? Falling out of the bottom of the country? We must do something! Americans going missing!

[Brian4Liberty]

Illegal immigrants are not eligible for federal government programs. Legal immigrants must be in the country at least five years before they are eligible for any. "If we just ended benefits they would stop coming! They are only here for the free stuff!" If they are lazy and want free stuff, it is easier to stay where they were.

That is quite analogous to saying that marijuana is illegal at the Federal level, therefore no one smokes marijuana.

[Swordsmyth]

That is quite analogous to saying that marijuana is illegal at the Federal level, therefore no one smokes marijuana.

Zippy believes in Gun Free Zones.

[brushfire]

Most terrorists enter the US legally through Canada. Should we build a wall there too? But when was the last terrorist attack in the US? You are more likely to die simply walking down the street than from a terrorist attack.

On visa's - it doesnt even matter if they come here through Canada. They can land at Dulles... Take a direct flight to Ohare, and rent a car - see the country before destroying it.

You're right about the risk - statistically, one is more likely to killed by the police while walking down the street, than by a terrorist.

[Swordsmyth]

Is that what you got from my argument? Really? I suspect that you are being intellectually dishonest with me - perhaps even with yourself.

Ok, so I'll play along... That's exactly what you're doing with your wall. Have you been paying attention to the deficit? To our national debt? How about the fed balance sheet? Inflation?

If we dont take away the incentives that our government is handing out to these illegals, our reckless spending will. Better warm up to the idea of being poor. Your boy trump, and his wall, will only accelerate this fact. No tariff is going to save you either. Personal welfare, illegal immigrant welfare, corporate welfare, foreign welfare, nation building - its going to make a you a poor motherfker - trust me. Then, where will your trump be - fking asia baby... He and all his rich friends will be up and out of this b!tch.

This wall is a waste of time, and a typical political distraction. Dont be manipulated - you have a lot of useful energy, dont waste it on this.

I don't support the wall, I want to end the incentives and increase patrols but the wall is nothing compared to our debt or the budget:

After President Trump requested $5.7 billion to fund the border wall he campaigned on in 2016, Democrats have dug in, refusing to appropriate the funds that the administration says are needed to better manage the flow of immigration across the southern border.
Democrats are not traditionally known for their fiscal rectitude but are being particularly parsimonious over what ultimately amounts to a very small percentage of the federal budget. (In 2018, the feds spent $4.173 trillion overall, meaning the border wall would amount to just 1/10th of 1 percent of current annual federal spending.)
Indeed, these lawmakers have happily funded various projects over the years that cost far more than the border wall — many of which had very questionable value. Below are some examples of wasteful federal spending projects that individually cost more than the proposed border wall (some data courtesy of Citizens Against Government Waste):

• “Rural Utility Service.” This program costs taxpayers $8.2 billion/year and has no actual purpose after its original intent — bringing electricity to rural communities — was long ago achieved. It’s now being used to bring broadband access to small communities (usually with populations of less than 20,000). However there’s no indication the “beneficiaries” of this expensive government agency actually appreciate the program and the majority of its projects are not completed on time or within budget.
• Sugar Subsidies. America, as Democrats frequently intone, faces a health crisis. What they don’t tell us is that it’s largely of their own making, as Congress subsidizes the production of unhealthy foods like sugar and high-fructose corn syrup. Eliminating sugar subsidies alone would save $6 billion, enough to fund the border wall; it would also have the added benefit of helping curb the nation’s obesity epidemic.
• Community Development Grants. These grants were created in the 70s to revitalize failing American cities. The program has almost always been plagued with dysfunction, with grants going to wealthy communities and other recipients failing to produce accountability or results. Citizens Against Government Waste reports that even President Obama called for reining in the program. It’s elimination would save $15 billion over 5 years.
• The United Nations. As the United Nation’s largest contributor, the U.S. in 2016 donated $10 billion to the U.N. As CAGW notes, reducing these contributions just 25 percent would create a savings of $12.5 billion over 10 years. Of the money Congress appropriates for the United Nations, 5 million taxpayer dollars are itemized for abortions in foreign countries.
• Amtrak. Congress could sell Amtrak to the private sector where it would almost certainly be operated more efficiently, but instead it’s showered in billions of dollars of taxpayer subsidies. Over the next five years, these subsidies will cost $9.7 billion.
• Unused Real Estate. Congress appropriates money to maintain federal real estate that’s not actually being used. Per CAGW, an October 31, 2017, CRS report found that, “In FY2016, federal agencies owned 3,120 buildings that were vacant (unutilized), and another 7,859 that were partially empty (underutilized).” Current laws require the government to undergo a series of steps before considering a sale of these buildings. Were selling this unused property prioritized, the 5-year savings are estimated at $15 billion. Simply maintaining the unused buildings annually costs $1.7 billion.
• Foreign Aid. American taxpayers currently spend more than $50 billion a year helping develop foreign countries. Many of the recipients are not known for being America’s closest allies — such as Egypt, South Sudan, Uganda, South Africa, Russia, the Congo, Sudan, and Zambia — which raises the question of what Americans are receiving in exchange for all of this aid. Cutting these donations back just 10 percent would be enough to fund the wall.
• Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. The Government Accountability Office estimates taxpayers are spending more than $137 billion annually on “payment errors,” which covers all manner of waste, fraud, and abuse within Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. The feds could implement the same kind of fraud protections credit card companies used to ensure against abuse, but don’t. In fact, Congress has gone in the opposite direction, winding down the program intended to police fraud within Medicare, the so-called Recovery Audit Contractor. In other words, Congress is knowingly funding tens of billions of dollars of fraud annually.

Despite many of of the above projects having arguably negative value, Congress continues to fund them. Eliminating any one of the above would create more than enough savings to fund the White House’s border wall appropriation request.


More at: https://news.grabien.com/story-thing...re-border-wall

[Brian4Liberty]

People falling through the cracks in the wall? Falling out of the bottom of the country? We must do something! Americans going missing!

He left out the heroin part. It should read “We lose 300 Americans a week to heroin”.

[Zippyjuan]

Maybe we don't need the wall after all. Trump says so. No crisis at the border- everything is under control.

[Swordsmyth]

On visa's - it doesnt even matter if they come here through Canada. They can land at Dulles... Take a direct flight to Ohare, and rent a car - see the country before destroying it.

You're right about the risk - statistically, one is more likely to killed by the police while walking down the street, than by a terrorist.

But Communism is the greatest threat:

[Brian4Liberty]

Zippy believes in Gun Free Zones.

By definition, there are no guns in “gun free zones”. And it’s illegal. There is a government chart somewhere that illustrates this fact.

[Zippyjuan]

He left out the heroin part. It should read “We lose 300 Americans a week to heroin”.

Drugs are mostly smuggled hidden in vehicles going through legal border crossings. Wall does nothing about that.

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe we don't need the wall after all. Trump says so. No crisis at the border- everything is under control.

Relative to O'Bummer throwing open the gates and inviting them to come.

[brushfire]

But Communism is the greatest threat:

Amen. They're here too, and their waiting. There will be lots of angry "victims" to exploit.

[Zippyjuan]

"Commie" is sooo 1950's. Time to update your play book.

[Swordsmyth]

Amen. They're here too, and their waiting. There will be lots of angry "victims" to exploit.

So why should we let them import reinforcements?

[Swordsmyth]

"Commie" is sooo 1950's.

Your buddies are bringing it back:

Democratic Socialists Openly Calling For Communism

[brushfire]

So why should we let them import reinforcements?

Import? They're making them every day, domestically. There's an entire education system designed to pump them out... You've got them all around you.



69% of voters under 30 would vote for a socialist. 43% of millennials prefer socialism to capitalism.

[Swordsmyth]

Import? They're making them every day, domestically. There's an entire education system designed to pump them out... You've got them all around you.



69% of voters under 30 would vote for a socialist. 43% of millennials prefer socialism to capitalism.

And why should we let them import even more?

If it does come down to a civil war I would like to have a fighting chance and if we can win politically I would like to not lose by a handful of illegal votes instead.

[Origanalist]

And why should we let them import even more?

If it does come down to a civil war I would like to have a fighting chance and if we can win politically I would like to not lose by a handful of illegal votes instead.

If we can't clean up our own house, squatters aren't really going to make much difference.

[Swordsmyth]

If we can't clean up our own house, squatters aren't really going to make much difference.

Yes they will.

They could very well be the deciding factor.

[Origanalist]

Yes they will.

They could very well be the deciding factor.

Well, I guess it depends on your starting point.

[brushfire]

And why should we let them import even more?

If it does come down to a civil war I would like to have a fighting chance and if we can win politically I would like to not lose by a handful of illegal votes instead.

If you want a fighting chance, dont let them take your guns - try to surround yourself with other self sufficient people.

Even if you could stop the illegals, they're a trivial number when compared to the domestic socialists. What's more, serious economic stress will produce even more domestic socialists.

[Swordsmyth]

If you want a fighting chance, dont let them take your guns - try to surround yourself with other self sufficient people.

Even if you could stop the illegals, they're a trivial number when compared to the domestic socialists. What's more, serious economic stress will produce even more domestic socialists.

20M+ and counting isn't trivial, it is a significant fraction of our population, more than enough to make the difference between victory and defeat.

[Stratovarious]

You're making a good point here, but its a different issue.
Chicago is packed with not only illegals, but domestics who are enjoying the illicit drug revenue. These gangs are willing to do whatever it takes to keep that money flowing, and that includes a whole lot of violence. Unfortunately though, as you point out, the incentives will remain after the wall is built, and so will the gangs. The good news here is that legalization is gaining steam, and there's not a fking thing the federal government can do about it - not at this point. Pieces of sh!t who made it their life's mission to prop up this prohibition are now lining up to profit from legalization.

The terrorist fear is yet another topic, and that involves foreign policy. The wall is not going to save us here either, unfortunately. Killing women and children, propping up dictators, overthrowing elected governments, and selectively supporting revolutionaries (sometimes switching sides 2 or 3 times) to destabilize entire regions is going to create a lot of incentive for terrorism. You kill my children, or even my neighbor's children, and I'm coming after your a$$ - I'd expect the same from anyone else. With all the "foreigners" coming here legally, and on H1B's, there will be no need to scale a wall. Our own government is packed with these immigrants who do contract work - government loves contractors and service providers and almost all of them are foreign. (to disclaim - everyone I've worked with has been awesome - I dont fear them in the least, but I see how easy it is for hostiles to make their way over here, legally)

I don't disagree, you touched on many of the points I've been saying
for 17 years, day in day out;
We need to become self sufficient/reliant in all sectors from
agriculture to energy and all between, bring troops home, stop
toppling dictators and legally elected heads of state.
I use Iraq as an example on a weekly basis, none of this is anything
people don't know, maybe they don't think about it much,
but we facilitated the deaths of a million Iraqi citizens,
obviously with this kind of policy we're going to create enemies, bring
all our military toys home, and let the middle east carry on with their
little wars , they aren't our business, and we have no authority to
meddle in them.
But we still obviously need a wall or ahellu lot better surveillance
at the border that is fact, its not the panacea, just part
of a needed pkg, and as I may have just mentioned in my previous post,
we're are likely not going to see drug laws repealed for a good
10 years if even then, so I'm not talking about a wish for
the future that may never come to fruition, I'm talking about actually doing
something, anything, that is actually taking a stab at starting to solve
part of our issues, all our pissing and moaning and wishing to crack
the whole nut at once is fruitless.
Drug laws are un-constitutional, that doesn't mean anyone
is going jump to the plate today and have them all repealed,
how many years have we been wishing them away, it's not happening,
we will keep trying but we are a long way off.
The current situation at the border is not acceptable, that is an undeniable fact.
Obama spent some 25 billion toward border security, liberals were fine
with it, now , for no other reason than they hate Trump , 5 billion is too much.
As I say over and over and over again, ITS NOT ENOUGH!!, its something
in the right direction.

[Stratovarious]

....and what was that Ron Paul quote;''...let it not be said that we did nothing...''

[PAF]

If you want a fighting chance, dont let them take your guns - try to surround yourself with other self sufficient people.

Even if you could stop the illegals, they're a trivial number when compared to the domestic socialists. What's more, serious economic stress will produce even more domestic socialists.

This is my concern about giving the Fed control of 2,000 miles of property.

Along the border, 3 million residents, and businesses which employ people, will be adversely affected. Affecting a $1 billion per day economy, devastate communities, property values plummet, potentially driving more people to rely on government assist.

Churches, golf courses, resorts and tourism, farming, shopping centers, not to mention the number of gun-carriers in the great state... there are videos showing how towns have folded up due to prior portions of the wall.

After Obama's largest land grab of all presidents to date which prevents private ownership and homesteading rights, I feel this president is putting the icing on the cake. It certainly lines up with the UN sustainable development portions that are in the USMCA that he signed.

Once "federalized" - Private property, Guns - all in a swoop.

[Stratovarious]

This is my concern about giving the Fed control of 2,000 miles of property.

Along the border, 3 million residents, and businesses which employ people, will be adversely affected. Affecting a $1 billion per day economy, devastate communities, property values plummet, potentially driving more people to rely on government assist.

Churches, golf courses, resorts and tourism, farming, shopping centers, not to mention the number of gun-carriers in the great state... there are videos showing how towns have folded up due to prior portions of the wall.

After Obama's largest land grab of all presidents to date which prevents private ownership and homesteading rights, I feel this president is putting the icing on the cake. It certainly lines up with the UN sustainable development portions that are in the USMCA that he signed.

Once "federalized" - Private property, Guns - all in a swoop.

- Along the border 3 million residents, and businesses which employ people will benefit. Adding 1 billion per day
to our economy, a great boon for communities, property values, potentially relieving stress on govt assistance programs.


- Churches, golf courses, resorts, and tourism, farming , shopping center, not to mention the number of
gun carriers in the state, there are videos showing how towns have expanded due to prior portions of the wall.

-Obama's 1 million plus acre land theft from Americans was sinful, there was no justification
for it, no useful, practical nor moral purpose, thank God President Trump has the balls to stand up and protect our borders and
save American lives.

-Federalized property for the wall will have no affect on gun owners.

- There will be 20k lbs less s### per day on private land owners and businesses, from illegals.

- We will see less illegal alien murders, rapes, theft, aggravated assaults, and illegal drunk drivers.

God Bless President Trump

[PAF]

- Along the border 3 million residents, and businesses which employ people will benefit. Adding 1 billion per day
to our economy, a great boon for communities, property values, potentially relieving stress on govt assistance programs.


- Churches, golf courses, resorts, and tourism, farming , shopping center, not to mention the number of
gun carriers in the state, there are videos showing how towns have expanded due to prior portions of the wall.

-Obama's 1 million plus acre land theft from Americans was sinful, there was no justification
for it, no useful, practical nor moral purpose, thank God President Trump has the balls to stand up and protect our borders and
save American lives.

-Federalized property for the wall will have no affect on gun owners.

- There will be 20k lbs less s### per day on private land owners and businesses, from illegals.

- We will see less illegal alien murders, rapes, theft, aggravated assaults, and illegal drunk drivers.

God Bless President Trump

[pcosmar]

Sleeping Trump Humper

[pcosmar]

The current situation at the border is not acceptable,

Then move the border to where it won't be a problem..

and put the walls around D.C.

[Origanalist]

Then move the border to where it won't be a problem..

and put the walls around D.C.

I'll mix the mortar.