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Thread: Texas Libertarian Ron Paul: We don't need Trump's border wall to stop illegal immigration

  1. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    What do you think the indians were thinking when the white man kept coming and coming and they started to get pushed off their land?
    "We should have wiped them all out while we still could have"
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  3. #272
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    "We should have wiped them all out while we still could have"
    Is there a present day lesson to be learned from the Indians?



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  5. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    So you don't support a border wall with Mexico but you're ok with building one around all the coastal states, huh. Maybe we could build one around every state and put watch towers every 300 feet. That would be some real security there.
    I wouldn't actually support wall but I was making the point that you open borders types wouldn't allow us to stop them from invading even if they left the union.

    I would want the border patrolled heavily just like the southern and northern borders.
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  6. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Is there a present day lesson to be learned from the Indians?
    Don't let immigrants come in unlimited numbers if you value your lives and freedom.
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  7. #275
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

  8. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I would say so, they allowed excessive immigration either through ignorance or inability to prevent it and they were destroyed and subjugated because of it.
    Ma' pappy was thunkt' it better of em' so as we has got thum' dummesticatd' and cultuerd' , whenever
    ''I got around to goin out n' askn thum if n' they felt better fer it , they wasn't non em left ta' find
    out on.''- Festus 1847

  9. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Is there a present day lesson to be learned from the Indians?
    Treat other people in obedience to the Creator's moral laws.

  10. #278
    Let us offer Mexico and Canada the same deal as Puerto Rico.

  11. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    So lets build a wall around all the coastal States. That's where progressiveness is at it's worst.
    Agreed.

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  14. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    So lets build a wall around all the coastal States. That's where progressiveness is at it's worst.
    Hey hey hey, don't leave the east coast out.
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  15. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Hey hey hey, don't leave the east coast out.
    Wouldn't dream of it.
    "The Patriarch"

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    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

  16. #283
    We need a new Great Wall of China. Most immigrants now from Asia- not Central and South America.


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  17. #284
    NOBP.

    Ron's position is that PRIVATE property owners can restrict who is allowed on to their PRIVATE property. That position is not at odds with not supporting walls, passports, and visas. Anyone who thinks this is a contradiction obviously hasn't taken time to understand the P in NOBP.
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  18. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    NOBP.

    Ron's position is that PRIVATE property owners can restrict who is allowed on to their PRIVATE property. That position is not at odds with not supporting walls, passports, and visas. Anyone who thinks this is a contradiction obviously hasn't taken time to understand the P in NOBP.
    Ron's position has changed, he voted for the secure fence act to keep the invaders out, he later said he regretted doing it because walls can keep people in but he wouldn't have voted for it at all if he hadn't wanted to keep the invaders out.

    Ron's new position is wrong, even if it would be right in a libertarian paradise (and it wouldn't, it would doom that paradise) it is absolutely wrong while the welfare state is still in place.
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  19. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ron's position has changed, he voted for the secure fence act to keep the invaders out, he later said he regretted doing it because walls can keep people in but he wouldn't have voted for it at all if he hadn't wanted to keep the invaders out.

    Ron's new position is wrong, even if it would be right in a libertarian paradise (and it wouldn't, it would doom that paradise) it is absolutely wrong while the welfare state is still in place.
    Ron's new position is not wrong. I don't want to live in East Germany; we can keep Invaders out without a wall.

    $#@! Trump; NOBP.
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  20. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    Ron's new position is not wrong. I don't want to live in East Germany; we can keep Invaders out without a wall.

    $#@! Trump; NOBP.
    I don't support the wall but you WILL live in East Germany or worse if something isn't done to stop the invasion, Ron's new position is totally free immigration and that IS wrong and it is DOUBLY wrong while the welfare state is still in place.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  21. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ron's new position is totally free immigration
    Since when? That's new to me; do you have a quote?
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  23. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by The Rebel Poet View Post
    Since when? That's new to me; do you have a quote?
    Talk to the open borders crowd:

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    Notice though how he uses vague expressions like "protect our borders" and "beef up our borders." When you get into specifics you find that he's not talking about any means of effectively restricting immigration. Ron Paul, unlike some here, does not consider unarmed mothers entering the USA with their children to be the same thing as a foreign invasion. When Ron Paul says "protect our borders" and "beef up our borders" he isn't referring to anything that is incompatible with his position that people should be permitted to enter freely without even having passports.
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfluous Man View Post
    But in effect his position is one of totally free immigration, whether he calls it that or not, just not subsidized immigration. Notice that in the very context of that quote, the main factor that he sees as distinguishing his position from one of totally free immigration is that he wants to reduce the welfare state.

    The quotes you provided don't actually mention border patrols. They refer to border guards. But you're right, under Ron Paul's proposals, those border guards wouldn't have much to do. Practically anyone who wanted to enter the USA would be able to do so legally at any border crossing without even needing a passport. There just wouldn't be any government welfare available to them here. But they would be able to get jobs without their employers being required to demand proof of citizenship or legal residency as a prerequisite for working. And they would be able to stay here without fear of getting deported.

    Notice that he compares the role the government has at guarding our border with the role our military was playing in guarding Iraq's borders. This was not for stopping the movement of civilians in and out. It was restricted to military operations.
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    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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