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    Trump's latest unhinged press conference

    Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

    I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

    If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?
    Authoritarianism and neoconservatism cannot be made great again.
    Trump was an enemy of Ron Paul, before he was an enemy of Rand Paul, before he was an enemy of the Freedom Caucus.
    One thing that he has remained consistent in is his hate of liberty and those who promote it.



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    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

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    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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    People living so close to the border are probably borderline Mexican anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

    I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

    If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?
    There have been a few posts about eminent domain. Although as you've seen Trump has caused a schism in these forums so it won't cause as much of a concern as it should.

    The usage of HBO's Game of Thrones imagery for a poster on the cabinet table was also rather unsettling. His team obviously doesn't watch the show, and we know Trump doesn't read, the 700 foot wall in the show didn't stop people from getting through. In fact people climbed it, went around it, and even destroyed it. But it's a show that includes a lot of incest and as Trump has said if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he'd date her...
    “…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned

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    Well yeah but you see we've got to have more government before we can have less government.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.


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    Private Property Is the Essence of Liberty - 08/23/2013 Ron Paul

    https://mises.org/library/private-pr...ssence-liberty


    The Founders were firm believers in private property rights.

    http://www.whatwouldthefoundersthink...ivate-property

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

    I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

    If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?
    I made a pic regarding this that I hope will be circulated (toward the bottom of the thread):

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...66#post6730966

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Private Property Is the Essence of Liberty - 08/23/2013 Ron Paul

    https://mises.org/library/private-pr...ssence-liberty


    The Founders were firm believers in private property rights.

    http://www.whatwouldthefoundersthink...ivate-property
    No no, simple losertarian, it's just like building a fence around your own yard...

    The people collectively own all the land in the country, so this isn't really theft...

    ...and we need it to keep out the communists, you see, because they'll try to collectivize all the land.
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken



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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    No no, simple losertarian, it's just like building a fence around your own yard...

    The people collectively own all the land in the country, so this isn't really theft...

    ...and we need it to keep out the communists, you see, because they'll try to collectivize all the land.
    You can have collective territorial control of the border or you can have collective control of your home and every other square inch of land in the country, there are no other options until you convert the rest of the world to libertarianism, get back with me when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than the US.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You can have collective territorial control of the border or you can have collective control of your home and every other square inch of land in the country, there are no other options until you convert the rest of the world to libertarianism, get back with me when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than the US.
    Your way busts up 3 million residents and businesses that are near or on that border.

    Your way takes that land from rightful owners and hands it to the Fed on a silver platter.

    Other folks here or around the world do not need to be “libertarianized”, it is their own property, you or other “gofundme’s” have no right to decide for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Your way busts up 3 million residents and businesses that are near or on that border.

    Your way takes that land from rightful owners and hands it to the Fed on a silver platter.

    Other folks here or around the world do not need to be “libertarianized”, it is their own property, you or other “gofundme’s” have no right to decide for them.
    Did I say anything about the wall?

    I keep telling everyone I don't support the wall but you don't seem to be able to remember that.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Did I say anything about the wall?

    I keep telling everyone I don't support the wall but you don't seem to be able to remember that.
    SwordShill, stop playing childish word games. You have in no way, shape or form firmly stated or supported their right to property rights. You gleem with government intervention and solutions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    SwordShill, stop playing childish word games. You have in no way, shape or form firmly stated or supported their right to property rights. You gleem with government intervention and solutions.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You can have collective territorial control of the border or you can have collective control of your home and every other square inch of land in the country, there are no other options until you convert the rest of the world to libertarianism, get back with me when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than the US.
    Quoted and noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Quoted and noted.
    Be my guest, we can have open borders when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than we are.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Private Property Is the Essence of Liberty - 08/23/2013 Ron Paul

    https://mises.org/library/private-pr...ssence-liberty


    The Founders were firm believers in private property rights.

    http://www.whatwouldthefoundersthink...ivate-property

    and the bedrock of a free market.
    - SUPPORT FREE TRADE, SMUGGLE -

    2 + 2 = 5.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776 - 2016 1788
    Fixed.

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    Give the owners the choice. Either they can deter aliens that would pass through their property and enter onto others or they can ask the government to. Property rights do not include aiding and abetting criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Be my guest, we can have open borders when the entire rest of the world is more libertarian than we are.
    You don't need open borders. Nor do you need a wall. Nor do you need a massive government border patrol force violating liberties.

    All you need is liberty and the problem goes away on its own. It's a government-created problem - government-created "solutions" will just make things worse. Stop the drug war, and stop the welfare state and immigration won't bother anyone. But no... liberty is too hard. So instead of freedom and peace, you need moar government to ensure your freedom and peace. Just a childish way of approaching things.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

    I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

    If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?

    Where was your outrage back when:

    Obama, Border Fence;
    http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/527/transcript.html

    Obama: 1.35 million acres UTAH;
    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...e-land-grab-an

    Obama enough acreage to cover Texas x's 3;
    https://www.wnd.com/2017/01/obama-se...texas-3-times/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

    I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

    If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?
    The desire for security is greater than the desire for liberty. That fact has been made very clear over the last 10 years. The difference is what each group sees as security.
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    I am a libertarian. I am advocating everyone enjoy maximum freedom on both personal and economic issues as long as they do not bring violence unto others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Where was your outrage back when:

    Obama, Border Fence;
    http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/527/transcript.html

    Obama: 1.35 million acres UTAH;
    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...e-land-grab-an

    Obama enough acreage to cover Texas x's 3;
    https://www.wnd.com/2017/01/obama-se...texas-3-times/
    I believe if you'd go back in time, you'd see his consistent outrage in those cases as well. In fact, the only thing that has really change is now you have the RIGHT silent, if not cheering on the outrage.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpitcher View Post
    There have been a few posts about eminent domain. Although as you've seen Trump has caused a schism in these forums so it won't cause as much of a concern as it should.

    The usage of HBO's Game of Thrones imagery for a poster on the cabinet table was also rather unsettling. His team obviously doesn't watch the show, and we know Trump doesn't read, the 700 foot wall in the show didn't stop people from getting through. In fact people climbed it, went around it, and even destroyed it. But it's a show that includes a lot of incest and as Trump has said if Ivanka wasn't his daughter he'd date her...
    The wall separated Westeros from the wildings and the the white walkers relatively for 8000 years. Considering the mass human capital necessary to prevent such an incursion along such a vast distance, the Great Wall was a resounding success. Only the blue fire of the undead wyrm reduced it to nothing.
    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster

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    “Force the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.” - Anonymous Poster



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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Fixed.
    That may be a little closer . Could be further back too. If you think about it , the colonists themselves may have just been deadbeats and freeloaders who did not want to pay taxes used to support british army that they benefited from .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I believe if you'd go back in time, you'd see his consistent outrage in those cases as well. In fact, the only thing that has really change is now you have the RIGHT silent, if not cheering on the outrage.
    And when the pendulum swings back in the other direction as it always does, the precedents the right is allowing to be set now (and in most cases are heartily cheering along) WILL be used against them to produce exactly the outcomes that they are, in their unwarranted fearfulness, attempting to prevent. They're quite literally setting the stage for their own demise.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Neocon View Post
    Did anyone have a chance to see him where he talked about eminent domain and how he'd use some sort of military/emergency workaround to seize people's land on the border to build his stupid wall in order to even circumvent one's right to take it to court? I would've hoped that people would've been outraged here, but as I see, the usual crickets.

    I feel like it's R.I.P. Liberty 1776-2016

    If a community like this can so quickly lose its ideals, how can a desire for liberty ever grow beyond?
    Yeah, you're right. I am probably guilty of that. But I am so tired of seeing the Democrats bulldoze their agenda through (remember, Obamacare didn't have enough votes because Kennedy died.) that I do admit to taking pleasure in seeing someone not afraid of them.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




    Reprinted from http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/immigration/ [Nov. 29, 2011]

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    And when the pendulum swings back in the other direction as it always does, the precedents the right is allowing to be set now (and in most cases are heartily cheering along) WILL be used against them to produce exactly the outcomes that they are, in their unwarranted fearfulness, attempting to prevent. They're quite literally setting the stage for their own demise.
    Asking the government to act on your behalf is never a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Asking the government to act on your behalf is never a good idea.

    Never. It ALWAYS comes back to bite you.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Never. It ALWAYS comes back to bite you.
    People with free medical, food, heating, housing, cell phones....... might disagree.

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