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  1. #241
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    Statement on Federal Vaccine Mandates

    To: Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee, House Energy and Commerce Committee
    Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions
    Re: Statement federal vaccine mandates
    Feb. 26, 2019

    The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) strongly opposes federal interference in medical decisions, including mandated vaccines. After being fully informed of the risks and benefits of a medical procedure, patients have the right to reject or accept that procedure. The regulation of medical practice is a state function, not a federal one. Governmental preemption of patients’ or parents’ decisions about accepting drugs or other medical interventions is a serious intrusion into individual liberty, autonomy, and parental decisions about child-rearing.

    A public health threat is the rationale for the policy on mandatory vaccines. But how much of a threat is required to justify forcing people to accept government-imposed risks? Regulators may intervene to protect the public against a one-in-one million risk of a threat such as cancer from an involuntary exposure to a toxin, or-one-in 100,000 risk from a voluntary (e.g. occupational) exposure. What is the risk of death, cancer, or crippling complication from a vaccine? There are no rigorous safety studies of sufficient power to rule out a much lower risk of complications, even one in 10,000, for vaccines. Such studies would require an adequate number of subjects, a long duration (years, not days), an unvaccinated control group (“placebo” must be truly inactive such as saline, not the adjuvant or everything-but-the-intended-antigen), and consideration of all adverse health events (including neurodevelopment disorders).

    Vaccines are necessarily risky, as recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court and by Congress. The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has paid some $4 billion in damages, and high hurdles must be surmounted to collect compensation. The damage may be so devastating that most people would prefer restored function to a multimillion-dollar damage award.

    The smallpox vaccine is so dangerous that you can’t get it now, despite the weaponization of smallpox. Rabies vaccine is given only after a suspected exposure or to high-risk persons such as veterinarians. The whole-cell pertussis vaccine was withdrawn from the U.S. market, a decade later than from the Japanese market, because of reports of severe permanent brain damage. The acellular vaccine that replaced it is evidently safer, though somewhat less effective.

    The risk: benefit ratio varies with the frequency and severity of disease, vaccine safety, and individual patient factors. These must be evaluated by patient and physician, not imposed by a government agency.

    https://aapsonline.org/measles-outbr...q_jjiCkCH_QLBQ
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  4. #243
    If we are the PROPERTY of the Govt, then they can do with our bodies as they see fit. If we are FREE, then we own ourselves, including our body, and can choose for ourselves what happens to our own bodies. Forced Vaccinations are the most blatant VIOLATION of our RIGHT of SELF OWNERSHIP.
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  5. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    One of the worst thing governments ever did was make vaccinations mandatory. If these things were strictly left to the free market, these same people would be lining up to buy 'em like Iphones. But no... Governments overstepped and people, as they should, became suspicious.
    I agree with almost every position you hold in your posts. I do absolutely agree Government overstepped their authority. however, in this instance, I respectfully disagree that people would be so enthusiastic to go get vaccines. I believe the people's reluctance and suspicion towards vaccines is exactly what inspired the government overreach.

    "Whereas between 1978 and 1981 only nine product-liability suits were filed against DTP manufacturers, by the mid-1980’s the suits numbered more than 200 each year. This destabilized the DTP vaccine market, causing two of the three domestic manufacturers to withdraw; and the remaining manufacturer, Lederle Laboratories, estimated that its potential tort liability exceeded its annual sales by a factor of 200. Vaccine shortages arose when Lederle had production problems in 1984."

    Page #2 of former Supreme Court Justice Scalia's delivered opinion.
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf
    Last edited by Leaning Libertarian; 03-07-2019 at 12:37 PM.

  6. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Leaning Libertarian View Post
    I agree with almost every position you hold in your posts. I do absolutely agree Government overstepped their authority. however, in this instance, I respectfully disagree that people would be so enthusiastic to go get vaccines. I believe the people's reluctance and suspicion towards vaccines is exactly what inspired the government overreach.

    "Whereas between 1978 and 1981 only nine product-liability suits were filed against DTP manufacturers, by the mid-1980’s the suits numbered more than 200 each year. This destabilized the DTP vaccine market, causing two of the three domestic manufacturers to withdraw; and the remaining manufacturer, Lederle Laboratories, estimated that its potential tort liability exceeded its annual sales by a factor of 200. Vaccine shortages arose when Lederle had production problems in 1984."
    People wouldn´t be sueing big pharma and actually make a profit if the vaccines have no severe adverse effects.
    Furthermore, despite the claims of big pharma, I have seen NO evidence that vaccines actually prevent disease...
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  7. #246
    Heard today on the radio that the flu season is not over. The update is that there have been 40 deaths in Connecticut this year. Once again I ask how did they claim 80,000 deaths last year?

  8. #247

    Not fair , there was a guy in his mom's basement in So Dakota that
    hadn't been vaccinated, so see....

  9. #248
    NIH officials lying.



    All credit to Del Bigtree. Watch the whole video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wiq7tdaP6k Head official in a hearing about vaccine misinformation caught telling a lie under oath. You gotta watch the whole video it's incredible!
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  11. #249
    FYI: Dr. Messonnier is Rod Rosenstein's sister. Just thought I would throw that in.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  12. #250
    One of the arguments against those “dangerous” anti-vaxxers is that they “cause” epidemics. The argument is something like if more than 95% of the population would be “immunised” they can’t spread epidemics – the myth of herd immunity: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...keting-Gimmick


    According to the following scientific looking report it could actually be the other way around for those magical flu vaccines (that at best could protect you against last year´s flu virus)...

    People that were vaccinated in the last 2 years “fine-aerosol” shed more than six times - 6.3 - the amount of infectious flu A virus than individuals that weren´t vaccinated in the last 2 years.
    Self-reported vaccination for the current season was associated with a trend (P < 0.10) toward higher viral shedding in fine-aerosol samples; vaccination with both the current and previous year’s seasonal vaccines, however, was significantly associated with greater fine-aerosol shedding in unadjusted and adjusted models (P < 0.01). In adjusted models, we observed 6.3 (95% CI 1.9–21.5) times more aerosol shedding among cases with vaccination in the current and previous season compared with having no vaccination in those two seasons. Vaccination was not associated with coarse-aerosol or NP shedding (P > 0.10). The association of vaccination and shedding was significant for influenza A (P = 0.03) but not for influenza B (P = 0.83) infections (Table S4).
    This suggests that vaccines “promote lung inflammation, airway closure, and aerosol generation”. More study is needed to confirm these hypotheses.
    Another interesting conclusion is that men have a threefold greater shedding impact of coughing than women.

    Jing Yan et al. - Infectious virus in exhaled breath of symptomatic seasonal influenza cases from a college community (2018): https://www.pnas.org/content/115/5/1081

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  13. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Antibodies in the urine is not "shedding" where somebody is infected by a person recently given a live vaccine. Did somebody contract measles from that urine? It is actually normal and found even in healthy people following vaccination who exhibit zero symptoms of measles.
    Yea but, for some reason hospitals that treat cancer patients don't want someone who has been recently vaccinated around their patients because of potential shedding...

  14. #252

    Thumbs down Collusion against anti-vaxx

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  16. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by navy-vet View Post
    Dumbasses are going to be our undoing....
    https://www.futurism.com/fda-anti-va...cause-epidemic
    If vaccines work so well, what is the problem?

    The FDA should be more concerned about illegal immigrants that are coming from 3rd world countries, not because they are unvaccinated, but because they are coming here malnourished from filthy regions bringing in diseases or shedding disease to others after vaccinated.

    Here is a good article:

    Measles Outbreaks: How a Witch Hunt* Against Parents of Unvaccinated Children Was Unleashed

    We are witness to an orchestrated frenzy that has been revved-up by vaccine stakeholders – i.e., those who have a direct or indirect financial stake in vaccines– through the corporate / academic institutions that employ them. Their unified objective is to achieve maximum utilization of vaccines, and total compliance with vaccination schedules set by the government in collaboration with vaccine manufacturers.

    During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccines. Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences.

    Contrary to the barrage of “fake news” promulgated by government public health officials and the media to influence public opinion, the fact is, most childhood infectious disease “outbreaks” include both vaccinated and unvaccinated children. What’s more, when the infection has been tested, vaccine strain has often been identified as the cause of infection.

    In 2015, a “measles outbreak” in California’s Disney Land garnered nationwide front page publicity and dire warnings by public health officials and vaccine “authorities”. They generated high public anxiety. This fear mongering led to the demonization of unvaccinated children, who were perceived as the spreaders of disease.

    Never disclosed to the public, but known to CDC officials is the following evidence that has finally been published in the Journal of Clinical Microbiology (2017):

    “During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees. Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (R. J. McNall, unpublished data).”[1]

    Rebecca J. McNall, a co-author of the published report, is a CDC official in the Division of Viral Diseases, who had the data proving that the measles outbreak was in part caused by the vaccine. It is evidence of the vaccine’s failure to provide immunity.

    But this crucial information has been concealed, and continues to be withheld from the public. After all, how many have read the belated disclosure in the Journal of Microbiology?

    So, the mumps outbreak at Texas detention centers occurred following children’s MMR vaccination! Does anyone fail to see the connection between vaccination and an infectious disease outbreak?

    Current Mumps Outbreak Following Vaccination

    The Texas Tribune headline announced: Nearly 200 People In Texas Detention Facilities Have Contracted Mumps, March 1 2019. Since October, 186 children and adults contracted mumps at migrant detention facilities across Texas, according to a state health agency. These include immigrants and employees.

    Lara Anton, a spokeswoman for the Department of State Health Services, said in an email that patients range in age from 13-66 and that “there has been no reported transmission to the community.” She added that the state doesn’t know the vaccination status of detained migrant adults or the children who entered the U.S. with them but that “all unaccompanied minors are vaccinated when they are detained.”

    The Texas cases are not unique! Numerous similar outbreaks of mumps in have occurred in vaccinated children in New York, and in the U.S. Territory of Guam in 2009.[2]

    So, the mumps outbreak at Texas detention centers occurred following children’s MMR vaccination! Does anyone fail to see the connection between vaccination and an infectious disease outbreak?

    CDC Pink Book acknowledges:

    “From 1985 through 1988, 42% of cases occurred in persons who were vaccinated on or after their first birthday. During these years, 68% of cases in school-aged children (5–19 years) occurred among those who had been appropriately vaccinated. The occurrence of measles among previously vaccinated children (i.e., vaccine failure) led to a recommendation for a second dose in this age group.

    During the 1989 -1991 measles resurgence, incidence rates for infants were more than twice as high as those in any other age group. The mothers of many infants who developed measles were young, and their measles immunity was most often due to vaccination rather than infection with wild virus. As a result, a smaller amount of antibody was transferred across the placenta to the fetus, compared with antibody transfer from mothers who had higher antibody titers resulting from wild-virus infection. The lower quantity of antibody [in the vaccine] resulted in immunity that waned more rapidly, making infants susceptible at a younger age than in the past.”

    … 38% of measles cases in the U.S. were in vaccinated persons.

    CDC further acknowledges that: despite relatively high vaccination rates, small measles outbreaks continue to occur. Since 2008, most of these outbreaks were imported or linked to importation from other countries. In 2011, CDC reported 220 measles cases – “62% were in persons not vaccinated.” That means that 38% of measles cases in the U.S. were in vaccinated persons.

    The CDC Pink Book further acknowledges that: “Some studies indicate that secondary vaccine failure (waning immunity) may occur after successful vaccination”. Evidence of MMR vaccine-induced infection undermines the protective rationale for its indiscriminate, mass use, much less, mandating its use against parents’ objections.

    200 measles cases in the U.S. do not justify the current media frenzy;
    The empirical evidence is based on reality; the evidence cannot be wiped out by the faith-based “safe and effective” chant.

    Empirical evidence refutes the faked epidemiological vaccine studies that are only draped with the mantle of “science”.

    200 measles cases in the U.S. do not justify the current media frenzy; this frenzy is fomented by collaborating vaccine stakeholders with financial conflicts of interest who should be held accountable for subjecting an unknown number of children to defective vaccines – some of which were the cause of infectious disease outbreaks.

    Two congressional hearings called for enforcement of mandatory childhood vaccination, citing the current measles outbreaks. The committees invited only vaccine promoters who endorsed mandatory vaccination of children, but not of adults.

    February 27th hearing, the House Committee on Energy and Commerce:

    Dr. Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases declared: “Risks from vaccines are almost non-measurable…” In an earlier interview with Frontline, Dr. Fauci is on record stating:

    “We know historically that it’s much more difficult to get adults vaccinated for a variety of sociological and other reasons, whereas when you have the children, you can get it out of the way …”

    Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC declared:

    “I do believe that parents’ concerns about vaccines leads to undervaccination, and most of the cases that we’re seeing are in unvaccinated communities. Outbreaks of measles occur when measles gets into these communities of unvaccinated people. The only way to protect against measles is to get vaccinated.”

    March 5th hearing, Senate Health, Education, Labor & Pensions (HELP) committee: John G. Boyle, CEO of the Immune Deficiency Foundation (whose core benefactors are bio-pharma corporations) upped the decibel, declaring:

    “The current decline in vaccine usage is literally bringing back plagues of the past.”

    Senator Rand Paul, a HELP Committee member, was the only member of the committee who voiced some reservations about the stampede toward depriving U.S. citizens of their human right to choose what’s in the best interest of their children!

    Why is the public health armamentarium aimed at eliminating “unvaccinated” children rather than on preventing a true catastrophic epidemic of neurodevelopmental injuries in children?

    The focus of concern and public anger should be directed at the failure of the public health establishment to methodically investigate the contributing cause[s] of the genuine, empirically documented childhood epidemic – the relentless, ever-increasing rise in the number of neurologically injured children has climbed to 1 in 36 in the U.S. The numbers of those affected is now in the millions.



    *Witch Hunt defined: “the searching out for persecution and deliberate harassment of those with unpopular views” Merriam Webster’s; “a rigorous campaign to round up or expose dissenters on the pretext of safeguarding the welfare of the public” Collins English Dictionary.

    References:

    Journal of Clinical Microbiology (2017)
    CDC. Pink Book, Chapter 15 Mumps
    CDC Pink Book, Chapter 13 Measles
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  17. #255
    Statistics Show The MMR Vaccine Kills More People Than The Measles Does

    April 6, 2019
    By Arjun Walia

    IN BRIEF
    The Facts:The measles vaccine kills more people than the measles does. The odds of dying from the measles are 0.001 percent, while the vaccine has killed, injured and disabled many children.

    Reflect On:Why is this information never mentioned or acknowledged within the mainstream. Why don't many health professionals have knowledge of it?

    Right now, as we’ve seen before, there is a lot of talk about measles within the mainstream. Multiple states are trying to enforce mandatory vaccination policies for children not only in schools, but in public places as well. This type of action completely contradicts facts about measles as well as the measles vaccine, more specifically the MMR vaccine.

    What we are seeing from the media, which Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explained is completely compromised by Big Pharma and oil , is a massive fear campaign, blaming recent outbreaks of measles on unvaccinated children in order to further drive mandatory vaccination policies. But there is one problem: Measles outbreaks have been occurring in highly vaccinated populations since the inception of the vaccine. Not only have multiple studies shown vaccinated people getting the measles, but vaccinated individuals themselves can shed their virus and spread it to others as well.

    For example, during the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees. Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences. The media (Pharma-owned) generated high public anxiety. This fear mongering led to the demonization of unvaccinated children, who were perceived as the spreaders of this disease. Rebecca J. McNall, a co-author of the published report, is a CDC official in the Division of Viral Diseases who had the data proving that the measles outbreak was in part caused by the vaccine. It is evidence of the vaccine’s failure to provide immunity. (source)

    According to an article published in the American Journal of Public Health in 1991, “In early 1988 an outbreak of 84 measles cases occurred at a college in Colorado in which over 98 percent of students had documentation of adequate measles immunity… due to an immunization requirement in effect since 1986.” (source)

    A study published in the highly authoritative Bulletin of the World Health Organization looked at recent measles occurrences throughout China and found that there were 707 measles outbreaks in the country recorded between 2009 and 2012, with a steep upward trend in 2013. “The number of measles cases reported in the first 10 months of 2013 – 26,443 – was three times the number reported in the whole of 2012.” This is odd considering that since 2009 “…the first dose of measles-virus-containing vaccine has reached more than 90% of the target population.” (source)

    A study published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases – whose authorship includes scientists working for the Bureau of Immunization, New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Atlanta, GA – looked at evidence from the 2011 New York measles outbreak, which showed that individuals with prior evidence of measles vaccination and vaccine immunity were both capable of being infected with measles and infecting others with it (secondary transmission). (source)

    The list of examples is long, and it suggests that we are seeing a failing vaccine instead of a failure to vaccinate, yet these are facts that the mainstream media never addresses.

    Furthermore, according to a MedAlerts search of the FDA Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database, as of 2/5/19, the cumulative raw count of adverse events from measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines alone was: 93,929 adverse events, 1,810 disabilities, 6,902 hospitalizations, and 463 deaths The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act has paid out approximately $4 billion to compensate families of vaccine injured children. As astronomical as the monetary awards are, they’re even more alarming considering HHS claims that only an estimated 1% of vaccine injuries are even reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). If the numbers from VAERS and HHS are correct – only 1% of vaccine injuries are reported and only 1/3 of the petitions are compensated – then up to 99% of vaccine injuries go unreported and the families of the vast majority of people injured by vaccines are picking up the costs, once again, for vaccine maker’s flawed products.

    From 2013 to 2017, measles killed 2 people, but the vaccine killed 127 people. The odds of dying from the measles are 0.01 – 0.02 percent, meaning you have a greater chance of getting hit by a lightning bolt multiple times. Furthermore, if your child contracts the measles, they will be immune for life, but that cannot be said for vaccinated children.

    This is why those who are doing their research are having a hard time understanding how the vaccine, and even worse, mandatory vaccination in general makes any sense at all, especially when the vaccine seems to be more dangerous than the measles itself.

    There is so much to discuss when it comes to measles and the MMR vaccine, which is exactly why myself and CE Founder Joe Martino dived deeper into the subject on CETV. You can listen to the first hour of the show where we talk about vaccines here. If you prefer to watch it, you can do so below.

    A study published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases – whose authorship includes scientists working for the Bureau of Immunization, New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Atlanta, GA – looked at evidence from the 2011 New York measles outbreak, which showed that individuals with prior evidence of measles vaccination and vaccine immunity were both capable of being infected with measles and infecting others with it (secondary transmission). (source)

    The list of examples is long, and it suggests that we are seeing a failing vaccine instead of a failure to vaccinate, yet these are facts that the mainstream media never addresses.

    Furthermore, according to a MedAlerts search of the FDA Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database, as of 2/5/19, the cumulative raw count of adverse events from measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines alone was: 93,929 adverse events, 1,810 disabilities, 6,902 hospitalizations, and 463 deaths The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act has paid out approximately $4 billion to compensate families of vaccine injured children. As astronomical as the monetary awards are, they’re even more alarming considering HHS claims that only an estimated 1% of vaccine injuries are even reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). If the numbers from VAERS and HHS are correct – only 1% of vaccine injuries are reported and only 1/3 of the petitions are compensated – then up to 99% of vaccine injuries go unreported and the families of the vast majority of people injured by vaccines are picking up the costs, once again, for vaccine maker’s flawed products.

    From 2013 to 2017, measles killed 2 people, but the vaccine killed 127 people. The odds of dying from the measles are 0.01 – 0.02 percent, meaning you have a greater chance of getting hit by a lightning bolt multiple times. Furthermore, if your child contracts the measles, they will be immune for life, but that cannot be said for vaccinated children.

    This is why those who are doing their research are having a hard time understanding how the vaccine, and even worse, mandatory vaccination in general makes any sense at all, especially when the vaccine seems to be more dangerous than the measles itself.

    There is so much to discuss when it comes to measles and the MMR vaccine, which is exactly why myself and CE Founder Joe Martino dived deeper into the subject on CETV. You can listen to the first hour of the show where we talk about vaccines here. If you prefer to watch it, you can do so below.


    We discussed the mainstream media and the way they fear monger and blame the unvaccinated without addressing important facts. We talked about the history of measles outbreaks in highly vaccinated populations, provided multiple clips from scientists and doctors sharing information related to the above, and cited examples of fraud, specifically with regards to the MMR vaccination and the CDC.

    Below you can watch hour discussion, the first hour is free. To watch the other 2 hours of this episode, become a member of CETV.

    https://www.collective-evolution.com...zen.yandex.com
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  18. #256
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  20. #257
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

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    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  21. #258
    Twice. Vaccine failure, not because of unvaccinated.

    The other problem is that getting the mumps after puberty can cause young men to become sterile.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  22. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    Twice. Vaccine failure, not because of unvaccinated.

    The other problem is that getting the mumps after puberty can cause young men to become sterile.
    Less than four percent of the crew was infected.

  23. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Less than four percent of the crew was infected.
    From the article posted by Swordsmyth:

    Every single person aboard the USS Fort McHenry has been vaccinated against this virus, yet dozens have been infected. Even after more booster vaccines were administered, more cases of the vaccine-preventable virus appeared.
    Vaccine failure.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  24. #261
    Japan Leads the Way: No Vaccine Mandates and No MMR Vaccine = Healthier Children

    April 24, 2019
    By Children's Health Defense

    IN BRIEF

    The Facts:This article was written By Kristina Kristen, Guest Writer, for Children's Health Defense, posted here with permission.

    Reflect On:How much do pharmaceutical companies really care about our health? Why is important information on vaccines never acknowledged and countered by the mainstream?

    In the United States, many legislators and public health officials are busy trying to make vaccines de facto compulsory—either by removing parental/personal choice given by existing vaccine exemptions or by imposing undue quarantines and fines on those who do not comply with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) vaccine edicts. Officials in California are seeking to override medical opinion about fitness for vaccination, while those in New York are mandating the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine for 6-12-month-old infants for whom its safety and effectiveness “have not been established.”

    The U.S. has the very highest infant mortality rate of all industrialized countries, with more American children dying at birth and in their first year than in any other comparable nation—and more than half of those who survive develop at least one chronic illness.

    American children would be better served if these officials—before imposing questionable and draconian measures—studied child health outcomes in Japan. With a population of 127 million, Japan has the healthiest children and the very highest “healthy life expectancy” in the world—and the least vaccinated children of any developed country. The U.S., in contrast, has the developed world’s most aggressive vaccination schedule in number and timing, starting at pregnancy, at birth and in the first two years of life. Does this make U.S. children healthier? The clear answer is no. The U.S. has the very highest infant mortality rate of all industrialized countries, with more American children dying at birth and in their first year than in any other comparable nation—and more than half of those who survive develop at least one chronic illness. Analysis of real-world infant mortality and health results shows that U.S. vaccine policy does not add up to a win for American children.

    Japan and the U.S.; Two Different Vaccine Policies
    In 1994, Japan transitioned away from mandated vaccination in public health centers to voluntary vaccination in doctors’ offices, guided by “the concept that it is better that vaccinations are performed by children’s family doctors who are familiar with their health conditions.” The country created two categories of non-compulsory vaccines: “routine” vaccines that the government covers and “strongly recommends” but does not mandate, and additional “voluntary” vaccines, generally paid for out-of-pocket. Unlike in the U.S., Japan has no vaccine requirements for children entering preschool or elementary school.

    Japan also banned the MMR vaccine in the same time frame, due to thousands of serious injuriesover a four-year period—producing an injury rate of one in 900 children that was “over 2,000 times higher than the expected rate.” It initially offered separate measles and rubella vaccines following its abandonment of the MMR vaccine; Japan now recommends a combined measles-rubella (MR) vaccine for routine use but still shuns the MMR. The mumps vaccine is in the “voluntary” category.

    Here are key differences between the Japanese and U.S. vaccine programs:

    Japan has no vaccine mandates, instead recommending vaccines that (as discussed above) are either “routine” (covered by insurance) or “voluntary” (self-pay).
    Japan does not vaccinate newborns with the hepatitis B (HepB) vaccine, unless the mother is hepatitis B positive.
    Japan does not vaccinate pregnant mothers with the tetanus-diphtheria-acellular pertussis (Tdap) vaccine.
    Japan does not give flu shots to pregnant mothers or to six-month-old infants.
    Japan does not give the MMR vaccine, instead recommending an MR vaccine.
    Japan does not require the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine.
    No other developed country administers as many vaccine doses in the first two years of life.



    In contrast, the U.S. vaccine schedule (see Table 1) prescribes routine vaccination during pregnancy, calls for the first HepB vaccine dose within 24 hours of birth—even though 99.9% of pregnant women, upon testing, are hepatitis B negative, and follows up with 20 to 22 vaccine doses in the first year alone. No other developed country administers as many vaccine doses in the first two years of life.

    The HepB vaccine injects a newborn with a 250-microgram load of aluminum, a neurotoxic and immune-toxic adjuvant used to provoke an immune response. There are no studies to back up the safety of exposing infants to such high levels of the injected metal. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) upper limit for aluminum in intravenous (IV) fluids for newborns is far lower at five micrograms per kilogram per day (mcg/kg/day)—and even at these levels, researchers have documented the potential for impaired neurologic development. For an average newborn weighing 7.5 pounds, the HepB vaccine has over 15 times more aluminum than the FDA’s upper limit for IV solutions.

    Unlike Japan, the U.S. administers flu and Tdap vaccines to pregnant women (during any trimester) and babies receive flu shots at six months of age, continuing every single year thereafter. Manufacturers have never tested the safety of flu shots administered during pregnancy, and the FDA has never formally licensed any vaccines “specifically for use during pregnancy to protect the infant.”

    Japan initially recommended the HPV vaccine but stopped doing so in 2013 after serious health problems prompted numerous lawsuits. Japanese researchers have since confirmed a temporal relationship between HPV vaccination and recipients’ development of symptoms.

    U.S. vaccine proponents claim the U.S. vaccine schedule is similar to schedules in other developed countries, but this claim is inaccurate upon scrutiny. Most other countries do not recommend vaccination during pregnancy, and very few vaccinate on the first day of life. This is important because the number, type and timing of exposure to vaccines can greatly influence their adverse impact on developing fetuses and newborns, who are particularly vulnerable to toxic exposures and early immune activation. Studies show that activation of pregnant women’s immune systems can cause developmental problems in their offspring. Why are pregnant women in the U.S. advised to protect their developing fetuses by avoiding alcohol and mercury-containing tuna fish, but actively prompted to receive immune-activating Tdap and flu vaccines, which still contain mercury (in multi-dose vials) and other untested substances?

    Japan initially recommended the HPV vaccine but stopped doing so in 2013 after serious health problems prompted numerous lawsuits. Japanese researchers have since confirmed a temporal relationship between HPV vaccination and recipients’ development of symptoms. U.S. regulators have ignored these and similar reports and not only continue to aggressively promote and even mandate the formerly optional HPV vaccine beginning in preadolescence but are now pushing it in adulthood. The Merck-manufactured HPV vaccine received fast-tracked approval from the FDA despite half of all clinical trial subjects reporting serious medical conditions within seven months.



    Best and Worst: Two Different Infant Mortality Results
    The CDC views infant mortality as one of the most important indicators of a society’s overall health. The agency should take note of Japan’s rate, which, at 2 infant deaths per 1,000 live births, is the second lowest in the world, second only to the Principality of Monaco. In comparison, almost three times as many American infants die (5.8 per 1,000 live births), despite massive per capita spending on health care for children (see Table 2). U.S. infant mortality ranks behind 55 other countries and is worse than the rate in Latvia, Slovakia or Cuba.

    If vaccines save lives, why are American children dying at a faster rate, and…dying younger compared to children in 19 other wealthy countries—translating into a 57 percent greater risk of death before reaching adulthood?

    To reiterate, the U.S. has the most aggressive vaccine schedule of developed countries (administering the most vaccines the earliest). If vaccines save lives, why are American children “dying at a faster rate, and…dying younger” compared to children in 19 other wealthy countries—translating into a “57 percent greater risk of death before reaching adulthood”? Japanese children, who receive the fewest vaccines—with no government mandates for vaccination—grow up to enjoy “long and vigorous” lives. International infant mortality and health statistics and their correlation to vaccination protocols show results that government and health officials are ignoring at our children’s great peril.

    Among the 20 countries with the world’s best infant mortality outcomes, only three countries (Hong Kong, Macau and Singapore) automatically administer the HepB vaccine to all newborns—governed by the rationale that hepatitis B infection is highly endemic in these countries. Most of the other 17 top-ranking countries—including Japan—give the HepB vaccine at birth only if the mother is hepatitis B positive (Table 1). The U.S., with its disgraceful #56 infant mortality ranking, gives the HepB vaccine to all four million babies born annually despite a low incidence of hepatitis B.

    Is the U.S. Sacrificing Children’s Health for Profits?
    Merck, the MMR vaccine’s manufacturer, is in court over MMR-related fraud. Whistleblowers allege the pharmaceutical giant rigged its efficacy data for the vaccine’s mumps component to ensure its continued market monopoly. The whistleblower evidence has given rise to two separate court cases. In addition, a CDC whistleblower has alleged the MMR vaccine increases autism risks in some children. Others have reported that the potential risk of permanent injuryfrom the MMR vaccine dwarfs the risks of getting measles.

    Why do the FDA and CDC continue to endorse the problematic MMR vaccine despite Merck’s implication in fraud over the vaccine’s safety and efficacy? Why do U.S. legislators and government officials not demand a better alternative, as Japan did over two decades ago? Why are U.S. cities and states forcing Merck’s MMR vaccine on American children? Is the U.S. government protecting children, or Merck? Why are U.S. officials ignoring Japan’s exemplary model, which proves that the most measured vaccination program in the industrialized world and “first-class sanitation and levels of nutrition” can produce optimal child health outcomes that are leading the world?

    A central tenet of a free and democratic society is the freedom to make informed decisions about medical interventions that carry serious potential risks. This includes the right to be apprised of benefits and risks—and the ability to say no. The Nuremberg Code of ethics established the necessity of informed consent without “any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion.” Forcing the MMR vaccine, or any other vaccine, on those who are uninformed or who do not consent represents nothing less than medical tyranny.

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  25. #262
    Vaccines are not debatable.

  26. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Vaccines are not debatable.
    According to whom?
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

  27. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by donnay View Post
    From the article posted by Swordsmyth:



    Vaccine failure.
    There were over 700 people on the ship. Of that, a couple dozen getting sick is not very many.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/polit...rus/index.html

    All seven hundred and three military personnel aboard the ship have received measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) booster vaccinations, according to the US Navy's Fifth Fleet headquartered in Bahrain.



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  29. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    There were over 700 people on the ship. Of that, a couple dozen getting sick is not very many.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/13/polit...rus/index.html
    Why don’t you tell that that to Mayor De Blasio, who has ordered forced vaccination on innocent children in zip codes 11205, 11206, 11221 and 11249?
    Or corrupt judge Lawrence Knipel who dismissed the lawsuit against the mandatory measles vaccination order?

    Or are you saying that we should use different standards in each case in order to help "poor" big pharma statistrics?!?


    24 out of 700, would be something like 295 thousand out of of 8.6 million - I would call that an epidemic...
    NYC has claimed that a total of 329 New Yorkers, out of of 8.6 million people, have been infected with measles since September 2018.

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  30. #266
    The latest outbreaks of measles have almost 200 students and faculty under quarantine at UCLA and Cal State LA. I can’t imagine they admit a lot of students with religious exceptions for vaccination. I wonder where this disease is coming from? If it was a local infection, I think you would see outbreaks in other places because students have been home or on vacation during Spring Break. There should be outbreaks at elementary or secondary schools in their home areas, or at places of business where parents work. That’s what logic says, anyway.

    I don’t know what it is like out in California, but daughter had to show proof of immunization before she could attend class at college here in TN, even though she lived at home. One would think there would be almost 100% vaccination rates on college campuses.
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  31. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    The latest outbreaks of measles have almost 200 students and faculty under quarantine at UCLA and Cal State LA. I can’t imagine they admit a lot of students with religious exceptions for vaccination. I wonder where this disease is coming from? If it was a local infection, I think you would see outbreaks in other places because students have been home or on vacation during Spring Break. There should be outbreaks at elementary or secondary schools in their home areas, or at places of business where parents work. That’s what logic says, anyway.

    I don’t know what it is like out in California, but daughter had to show proof of immunization before she could attend class at college here in TN, even though she lived at home. One would think there would be almost 100% vaccination rates on college campuses.
    38 cases have reported in the state. The quarantined are those who could have been exposed and have not shown that they are vaccinated.

  32. #268
    I got my popcorn ready for when the harpy shows up.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

  33. #269
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...crisis-1290720

    Trump: People 'have to get their shots' amid measles crisis

    President Donald Trump on Friday implored Americans to get vaccinated amid a massive measles outbreak, in a departure from his past skepticism about vaccines.

    Speaking to reporters outside the White House, Trump weighed in for the first time on the growing crisis that has seen 695 measles cases in 2019, the worst outbreak since the disease was declared eliminated two decades ago, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    “They have to get the shot,” Trump said. “The vaccinations are so important. This is going around now. They have to get their shots.”

    The outbreaks have spawned emergency declarations in communities in Washington state and New York, which the CDC says are linked to unvaccinated travelers who recently visited places such as Israel, Ukraine and the Philippines where outbreaks are occurring.

    The measles outbreak in the U.S. has been exacerbated by a growing fear of vaccines in some communities, including the debunked theory that vaccines cause autism. Trump promoted this false sentiment before his election, railing against “monstrous combined vaccines” and pushing for children to receive smaller doses of vaccines over longer spans of time.
    Earlier this week, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar blasted vaccine skeptics and defended the safety and effectiveness of the measles vaccine, calling “the suffering we are seeing … avoidable.”

    “Measles is not a harmless childhood illness, but a highly contagious, potentially life-threatening disease. We have the ability to safely protect our children and our communities,” he said in a statement. “Vaccines are a safe, highly effective public health solution that can prevent this disease. The measles vaccines are among the most extensively studied medical products we have, and their safety has been firmly established over many years in some of the largest vaccine studies ever undertaken.”

  34. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by euphemia View Post
    The latest outbreaks of measles have almost 200 students and faculty under quarantine at UCLA and Cal State LA. I can’t imagine they admit a lot of students with religious exceptions for vaccination. I wonder where this disease is coming from? If it was a local infection, I think you would see outbreaks in other places because students have been home or on vacation during Spring Break. There should be outbreaks at elementary or secondary schools in their home areas, or at places of business where parents work. That’s what logic says, anyway.

    I don’t know what it is like out in California, but daughter had to show proof of immunization before she could attend class at college here in TN, even though she lived at home. One would think there would be almost 100% vaccination rates on college campuses.
    Probably a mutated version of the disease. Soon people will be begging big pharma to develop a new vaccine to stop it.

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