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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Ben Shapiro retweeted it to, another shill and gatekeeper for the elites. Pretty obvious the elites are ramping up to take back the narrative for future elections.
    Love your new avatar, kahless.



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  3. #62
    ďForce the normies into taking sides. At the moment they are just like "meh, I am minding my own business" retreating culturally into their private bubbles and "safe-spaces" since they don't understand what is going on. When the actual "us vs them" starts, they will be forced to fight or they'll die.Ē - Anonymous Poster

  4. #63
    Lol. If you think tucker is correct, there may be little help for you. That rant was a confused mess.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  5. #64
    I stand with Tucker. I don't even care if he's wrong. Even if he were wrong about every single issue and I disagreed with him on everything. He could start advocating communism or genocide or mail-in rebates or tattoos even and I wouldn't care, I'd love him anyway. Simply because he's interesting and smart. He's the best person in television news by 20 or 30 IQ points. That includes Napolitano. The Judge's show was stupid. I tried to watch it; I wanted to love it. But the only thing it had going for it was that I agreed with it. Impossibly, mind-numbingly boring; undershooting the lowest common denominator. As virtually everything created by our alleged culture is.

    I stand with Tucker. The Cap'n thinks Tucker is off his meds and he can't follow his hyper-fast, scattered, "random" monologues.* That should, like, tell you all you need to know. Actually.

    * And the Cap'n's not dumb either; pretty average.
    Last edited by H_H; 01-07-2019 at 09:46 AM.



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    I stand with Tucker. I don't even care if he's wrong. Even if he were wrong about every single issue and I disagreed with him on everything. He could start advocating communism or genocide or mail-in rebates and I wouldn't care, I'd love him anyway. Simply because he's interesting and smart. He's the best person in television news by 20 or 30 IQ points.
    I agree with that statement. I watch Tucker. I think he is very smart and interesting and very fair. He is probably my favorite socialist on TV. (The last part is a little tongue in cheek, but his economic views really are horrific.)

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I agree with that statement. I watch Tucker. I think he is very smart and interesting and very fair. He is probably my favorite socialist on TV. (The last part is a little tongue in cheek, but his economic views really are horrific.)
    Did I miss something, I am curious what specifically is horrific?

    I have heard him say to the effect in his monologues that Capitalism is good to be used as a tool like a toaster, not to be worshiped, opposes socialism and says it should be avoided since has been proven to be a disaster and that government should serve all the people not just the elites. In other words you can be Capitalist and be moral in your transactions. This rather than worshiping Capitalism like a god and be immoral in your business transactions.

    Sounds reasonable and exactly what I believe. Good to hear someone on the tube say it for a change and call it out.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    I stand with Tucker. I don't even care if he's wrong. Even if he were wrong about every single issue and I disagreed with him on everything. He could start advocating communism or genocide or mail-in rebates and I wouldn't care, I'd love him anyway. Simply because he's interesting and smart. He's the best person in television news by 20 or 30 IQ points. That includes Napolitano. The Judge's show was stupid. I tried to watch it; I wanted to love it. But the only thing it had going for it was that I agreed with it. Impossibly, mind-numbingly boring; undershooting the lowest common denominator. As virtually everything created by our alleged culture is.

    I stand with Tucker. The Cap'n thinks Tucker is off his meds and he can't follow his hyper-fast, scattered, "random" monologues.* That should, like, tell you all you need to know. Actually.

    * And the Cap'n's not dumb either; pretty average.
    -
    Andrew Napolitano used to hit it out of the park consistently, in the last couple years
    I've almost come to the point of no longer trusting him.
    Tucker is amazing.
    Contradictory rants aren't indicative of irrational thought, there are
    good and negative aspects of any system , I think Tucker is just
    honest enough to lay it all out there, for instance, there are certainly
    horrible evils produced by those that abuse and hide behind their
    corporate shield, yet capitalism is life, opportunity, socialism is a
    stifling prison cell, a breading ground of slugs, leaches, and 3rd world s########.

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Did I miss something, I am curious what specifically is horrific?

    I have heard him say to the effect in his monologues that Capitalism is good to be used as a tool like a toaster, not to be worshiped, opposes socialism and says it should be avoided since has been proven to be a disaster and that government should serve all the people not just the elites. In other words you can be Capitalist and be moral in your transactions. This rather than worshiping Capitalism like a god and be immoral in your business transactions.

    Sounds reasonable and exactly what I believe. Good to hear someone on the tube say it for a change and call it out.
    Absolutely.

  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    -
    Andrew Napolitano used to hit it out of the park consistently, in the last couple years
    I've almost come to the point of no longer trusting him.
    He can't be trusted.

    Perhaps something changed or perhaps he was a sleeper all along but he can't be trusted:

    Judge Swamp strikes again

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    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    He can't be trusted.

    Perhaps something changed or perhaps he was a sleeper all along but he can't be trusted:

    Judge Swamp strikes again
    Trey Gowdy is another one I have trouble believing in , I was one of those internet
    warriors very vocally promoting Trey when no one had any idea who he was, then
    he just went to H in a hand basket, I have no more trust in his ability to get
    anything done, and of course Sessions was a milk toast 'plant' from the very start.
    Who sends us these people......:grr:

  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post

    Sounds reasonable and exactly what I believe. Good to hear someone on the tube say it for a change and call it out.
    Bernie Sanders thinks he is moral too. Tucker's morality is no different from the people who think you should buy union made products. Free people voluntarily trading with each other is morality to me. Tucker (and maybe you) think buying cheaper goods from China is immoral. I don't. I think restricting my purchases from China is immoral. Tucker thinks people like Mitt Romney are evil for occasionally having to liquidate a failing company. I think people like Mitt Romney, the private equity guy, are heroes who force market discipline and make American business competitive. Tucker thinks driverless cars should be banned because driving for a living is the most common job for people with just a high school degree. He literally believes. He's awful.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Bernie Sanders thinks he is moral too. Tucker's morality is no different from the people who think you should buy union made products. Free people voluntarily trading with each other is morality to me. Tucker (and maybe you) think buying cheaper goods from China is immoral. I don't. I think restricting my purchases from China is immoral. Tucker thinks people like Mitt Romney are evil for occasionally having to liquidate a failing company. I think people like Mitt Romney, the private equity guy, are heroes who force market discipline and make American business competitive. Tucker thinks driverless cars should be banned because driving for a living is the most common job for people with just a high school degree. He literally believes. He's awful.
    This goes back to the same reasons we disagreed over Trump's policies, my support of American's first. I believe it is only realistically possible to achieve a more Libertarian like society within the US through limited government whose purpose is to defend our interests against foreign threats. Competing systems that are intent on destroying and undermining our society deny that possibility.

    You can enforce market discipline, be competitive and still make a significant profit without being a immoral scumbag. Mitt Romney paints himself as a saintly Christian standing on the moral high ground. Clearly in his business actions he is no saint and rather a hypocrite as a Christian. It is simply calling things out, people and tactics for what they actually are. A moral person, a Christian, does not worship Capitalism and market discipline like a god. They use it as a tool and balance it with morality. This is not some bash on Capitalism, I am pro-Capitalist and anti-Socialist. It is calling out immorality. (Tucker has also made that distinction). How did we get to a point in this country that Capitalism is placed as an absolute extreme over morality and Christian values?

    I never heard Tucker say driver-less cars should be banned and I disagree with that if he did. I do think people should stop bowing down and idolizing the Silicon Valley elites and their companies as if they are virtuous. They should be called out for the immoral and fascist pieces of $#@! that they are. In my opinion if a handful of Silicon Valley billionaires are going to monopolize the industry with self driving cars, resulting in massive unemployment, that threatens our economic system, then I think people should chose to boycott those companies in favor of human driven competition.

    Instead we don't do that in this country. We instead jump to conclusions that people are Socialist or anti-capitalist for simply opposing immoral companies or people against people who favor competition.



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  16. #73
    Tucker is a huge improvement on that wingbag O'Reilly!

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    This goes back to the same reasons we disagreed over Trump's policies, my support of American's first. I believe it is only realistically possible to achieve a more Libertarian like society within the US through limited government whose purpose is to defend our interests against foreign threats. Competing systems that are intent on destroying and undermining our society deny that possibility.

    You can enforce market discipline, be competitive and still make a significant profit without being a immoral scumbag. Mitt Romney paints himself as a saintly Christian standing on the moral high ground. Clearly in his business actions he is no saint and rather a hypocrite as a Christian. It is simply calling things out, people and tactics for what they actually are. A moral person, a Christian, does not worship Capitalism and market discipline like a god. They use it as a tool and balance it with morality. This is not some bash on Capitalism, I am pro-Capitalist and anti-Socialist. It is calling out immorality. (Tucker has also made that distinction). How did we get to a point in this country that Capitalism is placed as an absolute extreme over morality and Christian values?

    I never heard Tucker say driver-less cars should be banned and I disagree with that if he did. I do think people should stop bowing down and idolizing the Silicon Valley elites and their companies as if they are virtuous. They should be called out for the immoral and fascist pieces of $#@! that they are. In my opinion if a handful of Silicon Valley billionaires are going to monopolize the industry with self driving cars, resulting in massive unemployment, that threatens our economic system, then I think people should chose to boycott those companies in favor of human driven competition.

    Instead we don't do that in this country. We instead jump to conclusions that people are Socialist or anti-capitalist for simply opposing immoral companies or people against people who favor competition.
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  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    How did we get to a point in this country that Capitalism is placed as an absolute extreme over morality and Christian values?
    Ok, hold up. This is what you and Tucker do not understand. Capitalism is the ONLY system consistent with morality and Christian values. To uphold capitalism is to demonstrate those values. To denounce capitalism is to deny those values.

    In true capitalism, the value judgments of the individual is what matters. In all other systems, the value judgments of some central planner take precedent - which violates the free will of each individual. Hardly, moral. Now, you can dislike the individual value judgments of certain people, fine. Call 'em out. But you can't blame FREEDOM! And that's what Tucker did. He didn't blame the cronyism that sets artificial incentives - no, he blamed market capitalism! $#@! that guy! To draw an analogy, he was in essence saying, "There are people who say bad things. Freedom of speech shouldn't be worshiped."

    I'd have little issue with his incoherent rant if he describe why people make selfish decisions under cronyism, instead of self-interested decisions under market capitalism. But he didn't. He said "people created freedom... freedom is a tool..." He's either a moron or a damned snake. I think it's the latter. He knew what he was doing to Fox viewers. And it worked.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Ok, hold up. This is what you and Tucker do not understand. Capitalism is the ONLY system consistent with morality and Christian values. To uphold capitalism is to demonstrate those values. To denounce capitalism is to deny those values.

    In true capitalism, the value judgments of the individual is what matters. In all other systems, the value judgments of some central planner take precedent - which violates the free will of each individual. Hardly, moral. Now, you can dislike the individual value judgments of certain people, fine. Call 'em out. But you can't blame FREEDOM! And that's what Tucker did. He didn't blame the cronyism that sets artificial incentives - no, he blamed market capitalism! $#@! that guy! To draw an analogy, he was in essence saying, "There are people who say bad things. Freedom of speech shouldn't be worshiped."

    I'd have little issue with his incoherent rant if he describe why people make selfish decisions under cronyism, instead of self-interested decisions under market capitalism. But he didn't. He said "people created freedom... freedom is a tool..." He's either a moron or a damned snake. I think it's the latter. He knew what he was doing to Fox viewers. And it worked.
    Yep. Few understand what real Capitalism is anymore.

    Capitalism was given a bad name by the NeoCons so that it has become the idea of crony capitalism in most people's eyes & not the freedom that REAL Capitalism & the free market actually represents.
    There is no spoon.

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Ok, hold up. This is what you and Tucker do not understand. Capitalism is the ONLY system consistent with morality and Christian values. To uphold capitalism is to demonstrate those values. To denounce capitalism is to deny those values.
    I did not denounce it and believe it to be the best system. Yet I do not believe in absolute orthodox adherence to the point where one throws morality and their Christian beliefs out the window in it's execution. That is pointless and unnecessary. Those that do should not be seen as virtuous and of course that applies to crony Capitalists as well.

    To disregard morality, one's Christian values and the golden rule in absolute adherence of an economic system in all circumstances and for that to be seen as virtuous in doing so is a sign we are living in a sick society.

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Yep. Few understand what real Capitalism is anymore.

    Capitalism was given a bad name by the NeoCons so that it has become the idea of crony capitalism in most people's eyes & not the freedom that REAL Capitalism & the free market actually represents.
    This I agree combined with what I said above.

  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I did not denounce it and believe it to be the best system. Yet I do not believe in absolute orthodox adherence to the point where one throws morality and their Christian beliefs out the window in it's execution. That is pointless and unnecessary. Those that do should not be seen as virtuous and of course that applies to crony Capitalists as well.

    To disregard morality, one's Christian values and the golden rule in absolute adherence of an economic system in all circumstances and for that to be seen as virtuous in doing so is a sign we are living in a sick society.
    Capt is correct that it is a misinterpretation of capitalism to worship monetary profit but that is Tucker's point, that misinterpretation is what he is talking about when he says it is wrong to make capitalism a religion.
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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

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  23. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Contradictory rants aren't indicative of irrational thought
    Yes, they are.

    Contradiction is the quintessence of irrationality.



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I

    To disregard morality, one's Christian values and the golden rule in absolute adherence of an economic system in all circumstances and for that to be seen as virtuous in doing so is a sign we are living in a sick society.
    What your missing is many people don't have your values. I don't want to drink fair trade coffee. I am perfectly okay if some ten year old was put to work. Wal-Mart is wonderful. I like the big beautiful tax cut Wal-Mart gives me with lower prices. What did Romney do wrong in his business practices? Some companies are worth more dead than alive. What kind of morality is for unions and management with no stake in the business to bleed a once profitable company dry at the expense of the owners of the company?

    A lot of what is peddled as morality is just economic illiteracy. I don't want to buy an American car. Me driving an American car adds zero to American employment. The fine Japanese will use their dollars put Americans to work some place else and more efficiently. And what if my morality precludes me from not wanting to reward bailouts and unreliable $#@!? The individual consumer should decide what is moral for them, not some central planner or TV personality.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    What your missing is many people don't have your values. I don't want to drink fair trade coffee. I am perfectly okay if some ten year old was put to work. Wal-Mart is wonderful. I like the big beautiful tax cut Wal-Mart gives me with lower prices. What did Romney do wrong in his business practices? Some companies are worth more dead than alive. What kind of morality is for unions and management with no stake in the business to bleed a once profitable company dry at the expense of the owners of the company?

    A lot of what is peddled as morality is just economic illiteracy. I don't want to buy an American car. Me driving an American car adds zero to American employment. The fine Japanese will use their dollars put Americans to work some place else and more efficiently. And what if my morality precludes me from not wanting to reward bailouts and unreliable $#@!? The individual consumer should decide what is moral for them, not some central planner or TV personality.
    There are cases where the question is clearer, it IS immoral to deal in slave labor and stolen goods and it IS immoral to collaborate in a hostile foreign power's attempts to destroy America and harm Americans.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Yes, they are.

    Contradiction is the quintessence of irrationality.
    True, if you don't understand the nuances of the content.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    To disregard morality, one's Christian values and the golden rule in absolute adherence of an economic system in all circumstances and for that to be seen as virtuous in doing so is a sign we are living in a sick society.
    Once again, you misunderstand. That system IS the morality. It is freedom. That IS the moral and Christian system. If your values are in conflict with that system, it's an indication that your values need adjustment. You can call it an "economic system" as a way to hide that fact - as if all economic systems are created by man. But this is the system that is created by God. Read the Bastiat quote in my signature. So in reality, what you are saying is, "An absolute adherence to morals and Christian values is a sign we are living in a sick society - because it doesn't always turn out like I want it to."

    If you mean cronyism, then call it cronyism! But Tucker did not. And he did not, on purpose. Because he's trying to peel you away from the belief that things work best when the laws of man don't interfere with the laws of nature. He's literally calling for Fox news viewers to shed their Christian beliefs and using their own desire to adhere to the Christian beliefs against them. He's a damned snake!
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Once again, you misunderstand. That system IS the morality. It is freedom. That IS the moral and Christian system. If your values are in conflict with that system, it's an indication that your values need adjustment. You can call it an "economic system" as a way to hide that fact - as if all economic systems are created by man. But this is the system that is created by God. Read the Bastiat quote in my signature. So in reality, what you are saying is, "An absolute adherence to morals and Christian values is a sign we are living in a sick society - because it doesn't always turn out like I want it to."

    If you mean cronyism, then call it cronyism! But Tucker did not. And he did not, on purpose. Because he's trying to peel you away from the belief that things work best when the laws of man don't interfere with the laws of nature. He's literally calling for Fox news viewers to shed their Christian beliefs and using their own desire to adhere to the Christian beliefs against them. He's a damned snake!
    You are reading an awful lot into what is really just a less than perfect enunciation of Tucker's intended message.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by H_H View Post
    Love your new avatar, kahless.
    Klingon women are hot, no?
    "The Patriarch"

    willie with tan lines: enjoy the shots and the woman
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.

  31. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You are reading an awful lot into what is really just a less than perfect enunciation of Tucker's intended message.
    I don't think so. Those channels have an agenda that they spew 24/7. They know what they're doing. It would have been easy for him to make the same rant without the false logic and lies. And yet he chose to proceed. Why? Because he has no problem with intellectuals centrally planning things as long as they're his type.

    It's the damned brainwashing of the right side of the government party. And they get you every time. This used to be a place where people saw through their shenanigans.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Stratovarious View Post
    Contradictory rants aren't indicative of irrational thought
    Yes, they are.

    Contradiction is the quintessence of irrationality.
    True, if you don't understand the nuances of the content.
    It is true without condition, regardless of "nuances". If something is contradictory, then it is irrational. Full stop. This is one of the most fundamental laws of reason.

    (You explicitly identified the "rants" to which you referred as being contradictory. Perhaps you meant to say that they may appear to be contradictory upon cursory examination, but can be found not to be so upon deeper examination. If so, then that is well enough. but that is not what you actually said.)



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  34. #89
    Tucker for vice president! Dump Pence!
    His name was Seth Rich.

  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Once again, you misunderstand. That system IS the morality. It is freedom. That IS the moral and Christian system. If your values are in conflict with that system, it's an indication that your values need adjustment. You can call it an "economic system" as a way to hide that fact - as if all economic systems are created by man. But this is the system that is created by God. Read the Bastiat quote in my signature. So in reality, what you are saying is, "An absolute adherence to morals and Christian values is a sign we are living in a sick society - because it doesn't always turn out like I want it to."

    If you mean cronyism, then call it cronyism! But Tucker did not. And he did not, on purpose. Because he's trying to peel you away from the belief that things work best when the laws of man don't interfere with the laws of nature. He's literally calling for Fox news viewers to shed their Christian beliefs and using their own desire to adhere to the Christian beliefs against them. He's a damned snake!
    I think you are reading something you think is in my posts that is not there or inferred in any way.

    Edit, for next quote.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I don't think so. Those channels have an agenda that they spew 24/7. They know what they're doing. It would have been easy for him to make the same rant without the false logic and lies. And yet he chose to proceed. Why? Because he has no problem with intellectuals centrally planning things as long as they're his type.

    It's the damned brainwashing of the right side of the government party. And they get you every time. This used to be a place where people saw through their shenanigans.
    Confirmed again. Dude, wtf are you reading.
    Last edited by kahless; 01-06-2019 at 08:33 PM.

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