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    Why Trump is not applauded as the first self-funded POTUS / non-puppet of lobbies?

    As he had assured public many many times in ads, speeches, tweets.. MAGA was the only candidate in modern history who was not funded by any special interests/lobbiysts etc and is not a puppet of any money baggers. Despite media theories about him being a fake mega billionaire, he self-funded his campiagn so he can put America First without the need for obeying orders of donors, puppet masters, foreign lobbies etc.
    Yet he's almost never appluded for such a distinguishing achievement by media or even by MAGA's own insider circle/supporters.
    Strange.













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    ...because he wasn't (self-funded)?
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by r3volution 3.0 View Post
    ...because he wasn't (self-funded)?
    He started soliciting funds for his 2020 run his first month in office.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    He started soliciting funds for his 2020 run his first month in office.
    No, that can't be true.

    The impeccably honest President told me so..
    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

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    https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/c...e?id=N00023864


    Small Individual Contributions (< $200) $86,749,927 25.93%
    Large Individual Contributions $46,873,083 14.01%
    PAC Contributions* $144,764 0.04%
    Candidate self-financing $66,141,713 19.77%
    Federal Funds $0 0.00%
    Other $134,607,903 40.24%

    The shocker I see in that link :

    While Trump raised less money than his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, he received free media attention valued at about $5 billion.
    Also with all the money going to Trump associated businesses I guess we know what special interests he is beholden to.



    Of course I'm sure the real reason is that with all the winning going on he can't be bothered to recall this one trivial detail, it's not like he keeps talking about the election at all. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.175ef23d2bd4
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    To be fair, there are some conflicting news/views regarding above claims that MSM /GOP-MAGA wing may need to respond to to set the record straight:



    Sheldon Adelson Is Ready to Buy the Presidency -- NYMag
    Sep 9, 2015
    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2015/...residency.html


    Sheldon Adelson: the casino mogul driving Trump's Middle East policy
    The Las Vegas billionaire gave Republicans $82m for the 2016 elections and his views, notably staunch support for Netanyahu’s Israel, are now the official US line
    Chris McGreal in Washington
    Fri 8 Jun 2018
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...le-east-policy


    Trump's top Donor Adelson in 2013: US should drop atomic bomb on Iran
    American-Jewish billionaire blasts Obama over negotiations with Tehran; says US should show Iran nuclear capabilities.
    By Maya Shwayder, JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT
    October 24, 2013


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    Trump took money from respected neoconservative Adelson and then awarded Freedom Medal To Adelson



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    Trump brags he blew off calls from world leaders to give Adelsons the greatest gift: Jerusalem

    Philip Weiss on April 7, 2019 35 Comments

    Sheldon Adelson at the RJC, from Amichai Stein's twitter feed. April 6, 2019.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/adels...est-jerusalem/



    Trump's top Donor Adelson in 2013: US should drop atomic bomb on Iran
    American-Jewish billionaire blasts Obama over negotiations with Tehran; says US should show Iran nuclear capabilities.
    By Maya Shwayder, JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT
    October 24, 2013

    Pompeo says God may have sent Trump to save Israel from Iran

    Donald Trump has threatened to ‘end’ Iran in ominous tweet

    The nation warned the US President to “try respect” after he delivered an ominous warning that he would “end” the country if it threatens the United States.
    Ally Foster with AFP
    May 20, 2019

    Mr Trump’s tweet has drawn criticism, with many social media users pointing out a series of seemingly hypocritical tweets the president used to write about Mr Obama’s handling of Iran.
    “Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly — not skilled,” Mr Trump tweeted in November 2013.
    “Don’t let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get elected,” another tweet in 2012 read.


    Some social media users recalled a series of tweets that Trump made back in 2012 and 2013. Picture: Donald TrumpSource:Twitter



    In these tweets he claimed Obama would lead the US into a war with Iran. Picture: Donald TrumpSource:Twitter




    Some people have pointed out the hypocrisy in these tweets and his recent warning to Iran. Picture: Donald TrumpSource:Twitter

    Earlier this month, the US Government sent an aircraft carrier and B-52 bombers to the Persian Gulf after claiming there were signs Iran could be planning an attack against US forces.
    The Trump administration has ordered non-essential diplomatic staff out of Iraq, citing threats from Iranian-backed Iraqi armed groups.

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/work...d5d0f6daf94620

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    Golf outings....
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    Trump will not be "self funding" for 2020. He has raised over $100 million already. https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race

    CANDIDATE COMMITTEE MONEY: $93,425,387

    OUTSIDE MONEY: $25,123,237
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The quality seems to have dropped significantly since I came here, I guess you get what you pay for.
    "There is always a tweet. That has become accepted fact in the Trump presidency: For every pronouncement the President makes, there is at least one tweet from his past that directly contradicts his current view." -CNN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Trump will not be "self funding" for 2020. He has raised over $100 million already. https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race
    To be fair, OPM strategies are very common in politics... though PSONs are more often singled out sometimes bit unfairly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Why Trump is not applauded as the first self-funded POTUS / non-puppet of lobbies?
    If I understand correctly the "reputable" propaganda checking site Snopes would call a statement like President Donald is a "self-funded, non-puppet of lobbies" a "mixture"...

    One of the “important” campaign promises that Donald Trump actually kept is that he didn´t keep any of his presidential salary, but instead donated it to selected “charities”. Some Trump retards have used this for an argument to call the Trump administration “givers” and Obama cronies as “takers”.
    Many previous US presidents have also donated (part of their) salary to “charities”. President Obama donated part of his salary and also the complete amount he got from his Nobel Prize for “peace”: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...ary-donations/


    President Trump is also NOT the first president to profit from the presidency for (much) more than his presidential salary.
    For example Bush Jr. and Cheney profitted by giving Halliburton all kinds of contracts to “rebuild” Iraq after the NATO invasion.


    According to Forbes' Dan Alexander and Matt Drange, Trump takes at least $175 million from commercial tenants, including the state-owned Industrial & Commercial Bank of China.
    Forbes noted that at least three dozen Trump tenants have "meaningful relationships with the federal government, from contractors to lobbying firms to regulatory targets".
    We don’t know all of the companies because according to federal disclosure laws Trump isn’t required to tell where his businesses get their money.

    Foreign governments have been trying to get on president Donald's good side, they've "donated public land, approved permits and eased environmental regulations for Trump-branded developments, creating a slew of potential conflicts as foreign leaders make investments that can be seen as gifts or attempts to gain access to the American president through his sprawling business empire".
    The Chinese government has granted Trump at least 39 trademarks since he took office on top of the at least 7 for Donald´s daughter Ivanka Kushner.

    Another way to “lobby” president Trump is to buy real estate from the Trump Organization. In 2017, Trump's companies sold more than $35 million in real estate.
    In the year after he got the GOP presidential nomination in 2016, "70% of buyers of Trump properties were limited liability companies – corporate entities that allow people to purchase property without revealing all of the owners' names. That compares with about 4% of buyers in the two years before".
    Some argue that this is suspicious because limited liability companies are especially founded to obscure buyers' identities.

    Donald Trump spent one third of his first year in office visiting his own properties (all expenses paid of course). On top of that more than 100 executive branch officials and members of Congress visited Trump properties in 2017 alone.
    At least 40 special interest groups held events at Trump properties and 11 foreign government's paid Trump businesses. The Kuwaiti Embassy, for example, held a National Day celebration at Trump's Washington, D.C. hotel in 2017 and 2018.
    Shortly after Trump was elected in 2016, an Asian diplomat explained:
    Why wouldn't I stay at his hotel blocks from the White House, so I can tell the new president, 'I love your new hotel!' Isn't it rude to come to his city and say, 'I am staying at your competitor?'
    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...count-the-ways
    (archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20190420231028/https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2018-03-05/how-is-donald-trump-profiting-from-the-presidency-let-us-count-the-ways)


    Another interesting “gift” came from Putin crony Aras Agalarov, who on 17 June 2016 gave Donald Trump an expensive painting.
    This was in the same month as the infamous meeting between Russians and Trump’s campaign team, which was about getting dirt on Hillary Clinton and/or adopting Russian children (maybe some pretty Russian girls?).

    In the same period, several multimillion-dollar transactions transfers were done through Agalarov’s accounts.
    On 3 June 2016, for example, Aras Agalarov transferred $3.3 million to the United States, facilitated by Agalarov’s representative Irakly Kaveladze, who also used his own accounts. $725,000 of it was reportedly used to pay the balance on Agalarov’s American Express credit card.

    Russian-American oil executive Simon Kukes donated $280,000 to Trump’s joint fundraising committee and inaugural fund.
    Kukes bragged to Vyacheslav Pavlovsky, who works at the Kremlin, that he was “actively involved” in the Trump campaign. Kukes attended Trump’s fundraisers and dined with Mike Pence and Rudy Giuliani. He also had “a very warm conversation” with the Soviet born Brit-American Len Blavatnik, who has generously donated to American political candidates and was a partner with Skull & Bones man Steven Mnuchin in Ratpac-dune: https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...ing-the-money/
    (archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20190108205557/https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/12/17/464235/following-the-money/)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Trump will not be "self funding" for 2020. He has raised over $100 million already. https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race
    He can't self fund for 2020 because he turned over control of all his businesses to his children, and all his assets and income are held in trust that he doesn't control.
    I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.

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    his campaign was hat funded
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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