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  1. #61
    Some bureaucratic wrinkles that should be sorted out soon:

    January 4, 2019

    Senior State Department official:
    “Despite reports to the contrary and false narratives surrounding the Syria decision, we are not going anywhere.”


    In the latest ambiguous signal, a senior State Department official on Friday first told reporters the United States has no timeline for the withdrawal of troops from Syria and then said it does not plan to stay indefinitely.
    Another senior State Department official, also briefing reporters before Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s trip to the Middle East next week, said one of his main messages would be that “the United States is not leaving the Middle East.”
    “Despite reports to the contrary and false narratives surrounding the Syria decision, we are not going anywhere.”

    However, three sources familiar with the matter said that the Trump administration is still working assiduously to contain the fallout from Trump’s troop decision.
    A Pentagon adviser described the conference as part of a “damage control” effort necessitated by Trump’s abrupt decision and as designed to explain to the coalition members “that nothing has been put in place” with regard to the pullout.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-m...-idUSKCN1OY216



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    US Attacks in Syria Increased After Trump’s Withdrawal Announcement

    (MEMO) — Despite US President Donald Trump’s announcement that he will withdraw US troops from Syria, American strikes in the east of the country have increased.

    This was revealed Thursday by an investigation conducted by Al Jazeera and The Intercept, which found that there are about 50,000 to 60,000 people stuck in eastern Syria – which is dominated by Daesh – living under these US attacks.

    An activist, who refused to give his name, was reported saying: “The civilians in these areas have no place to go or hide from the US bombardment of their villages.” He added that the residents have been harmed at the hands of the Syrian government, the US and Daesh alike.

    In the wake of international controversy and news that Daesh was not fully defeated in Syria, Trump declined to give a timeline for the US troops’ withdrawal from Syria, instead saying this would take place “over a period of time”. It remains unclear whether US airstrikes will continue once the troops leave.

    Describing the US strikes, a Daesh fighter said: “They just like to disrupt and mess everything up […] They bombed the places where they sell gasoline, or they sell cooking oil, or where they filter the water — they bomb all these places. They bomb everything just to make your life horrible.”

    The fighter added: “No building is empty here,” referring to the remaining Daesh-controlled villages in Deir Ez-Zour. The Intercept said that fighters and civilians in the villages have reportedly been describing the US bombing campaign as a scorched-earth policy.

    Meanwhile, the US-led international coalition in Syria admitted on Thursday that it had killed 11 civilians from one family, including a child in Deir Ez-Zour, Anadolu Agency reported.

    On Sunday, the US military admitted that it had killed 1,139 civilians in Iraq and Syria since the start of its campaign against Daesh in 2014. This figure is significantly smaller than the estimates of civilian casualties made by monitoring groups, with one group – Airwars – saying that between 7,308 and 11,629 civilians have been killed.

    https://theantimedia.com/us-attacks-...mp-withdrawal/
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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    US Attacks in Syria Increased After Trump’s Withdrawal Announcement

    (MEMO) — Despite US President Donald Trump’s announcement that he will withdraw US troops from Syria, American strikes in the east of the country have increased.

    This was revealed Thursday by an investigation conducted by Al Jazeera and The Intercept, which found that there are about 50,000 to 60,000 people stuck in eastern Syria – which is dominated by Daesh – living under these US attacks.

    An activist, who refused to give his name, was reported saying: “The civilians in these areas have no place to go or hide from the US bombardment of their villages.” He added that the residents have been harmed at the hands of the Syrian government, the US and Daesh alike.

    In the wake of international controversy and news that Daesh was not fully defeated in Syria, Trump declined to give a timeline for the US troops’ withdrawal from Syria, instead saying this would take place “over a period of time”. It remains unclear whether US airstrikes will continue once the troops leave.

    Describing the US strikes, a Daesh fighter said: “They just like to disrupt and mess everything up […] They bombed the places where they sell gasoline, or they sell cooking oil, or where they filter the water — they bomb all these places. They bomb everything just to make your life horrible.”

    The fighter added: “No building is empty here,” referring to the remaining Daesh-controlled villages in Deir Ez-Zour. The Intercept said that fighters and civilians in the villages have reportedly been describing the US bombing campaign as a scorched-earth policy.

    Meanwhile, the US-led international coalition in Syria admitted on Thursday that it had killed 11 civilians from one family, including a child in Deir Ez-Zour, Anadolu Agency reported.

    On Sunday, the US military admitted that it had killed 1,139 civilians in Iraq and Syria since the start of its campaign against Daesh in 2014. This figure is significantly smaller than the estimates of civilian casualties made by monitoring groups, with one group – Airwars – saying that between 7,308 and 11,629 civilians have been killed.

    https://theantimedia.com/us-attacks-...mp-withdrawal/
    It appears the generals have decided to make the most of their LIMITED remaining time in Syria.
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  5. #64
    Syria conflict: Bolton says US withdrawal is conditional

    The withdrawal of US troops from Syria depends on certain conditions, US National Security Adviser John Bolton says, in a further indication that the process is being slowed down.

    On a trip to Israel and Turkey, he said he would seek Turkish assurances that Kurds in northern Syria would be safe.

    The US also wants to ensure that the remnants of the Islamic State (IS) group are defeated, he added.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46775308
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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It appears the generals have decided to make the most of their LIMITED remaining time in Syria.
    No.
    It is proof that we are still active in Syria...

    The ONLY Reports should be Packing and Moving.. and the movement of Transport planes.

    None of which are evident.
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  8. #66
    Where are the pictures of the troops getting off the planes, and being welcomed home by their families?
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  9. #67
    Despite Assurances From Trump, the U.S. Battle Against ISIS in Eastern Syria Is Far From Over

    Despite assurances from President Donald Trump that the Islamic State is no more, the U.S.-led battle to oust the militant group from its last Syrian stronghold has intensified in recent weeks.

    Amid heavy fighting between the Kurdish-led, U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces and hardened Islamic State fighters, scores of civilians and prisoners have been killed by American airstrikes in the eastern province of Deir al-Zour, according to sources on the ground.

    As part of that campaign, U.S. warplanes bombed a hospital in the village of Al Shaafah late last month, killing patients and the families of medical personnel working there. The hospital was “reduced to only stones and a huge crater in the middle,” an ISIS fighter said in an interview.

    Two senior U.S. diplomats with knowledge of the fight against ISIS who spoke to us on the condition of anonymity confirmed the airstrike on the hospital. One of them maintained that it was justified and legal. He said the ISIS soldiers were firing at coalition forces from the hospital, making it a legitimate target.

    The intentional bombing of hospitals and civilian areas during armed conflict is a violation of international law. CENTCOM has said it “is committed to avoiding and in every case minimizing civilian casualties” in bombing campaigns against ISIS. While one U.S. official said the hospital was being used as an ISIS attack site, an ISIS fighter presented an alternative narrative in an interview. While he admitted that his understanding was that ISIS fighters were using the hospital as a meeting point, he said the group had been negotiating with the Syrian Democratic Forces to release the Kurdish fighters in its custody in exchange for opening the single main road out of the region, used to get supplies, for up to nine months. The ISIS fighter, who has knowledge of but was not directly involved in the negotiations, said the group believes the United States did not want the deal to happen and bombed the hospital to kill the Kurdish prisoners, thus eliminating ISIS’s bargaining chip.

    We could not independently verify the claims of the U.S. official or people on the ground. The U.S. official evaded questions about the presence of civilians at the hospital. A Defense Department spokesperson did not respond to questions about the hospital bombing.
    https://theintercept.com/2018/12/20/...us-airstrikes/
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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    Where are the pictures of the troops getting off the planes, and being welcomed home by their families?
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  11. #69
    @dannno

    Is withdrawing from Syria sort of like the bump stock ban? i.e., it's never actually going to happen?
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  12. #70


    Contradicting Trump, Bolton says no withdrawal from Syria until ISIS destroyed, Kurds’ safety guaranteed

    (Reuters)
    By Karoun Demirjian
    January 6
    President Trump’s national security adviser sought to reassure allies Sunday that the United States would be methodical about withdrawing troops from Syria, promising that the pullout would not occur until the Islamic State was fully eradicated from the country and Turkey could guarantee the safety of Kurdish fighters who have fought alongside American personnel.
    John Bolton’s comments, reported by the Associated Press, contradict Trump’s mid-December promise to bring troops home from Syria “now,” an announcement that surprised allies and advisers, sparked an outcry from lawmakers, and prompted the resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. It is also the clearest statement yet from any of the president’s surrogates about how they plan to slow the implementation of his pullout plans.
    “There are objectives that we want to accomplish that condition the withdrawal,” Bolton said while speaking to reporters in Jerusalem, on a trip intended to allay Israeli leaders’ concerns about Trump’s announcement. “The timetable flows from the policy decisions that we need to implement.”
    Trump touched off global confusion and panic when he announced via Twitter on Dec. 19 that he would order the withdrawal of the 2,000 troops stationed in Syria to help fight the Islamic State. “Our boys, our young women, our men, they’re all coming back and they’re coming back now. We won,” Trump said at thet time.

    Days later, while visiting U.S. troops in Iraq after Christmas, Trump told reporters traveling with him that he would deny any request from the military to extend the mission in Syria. “They said again, recently, ‘Can we have more time?’ ” Trump said of U.S. generals. “I said: ‘Nope. You can’t have any more time. You’ve had enough time.’ We’ve knocked them out. We’ve knocked them silly.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...0a8_story.html



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  13. #71
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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by AZJoe View Post

    To be fair, there can be lot of pressures. Nefarious Israel-Frster characters like Andrew Adler of Obama threat scandal are unlikely to intimidate MAGA but this guys is MAGA's top donor allegedly:


    Trump's top donor in 2013: US should drop atomic bomb on Iran


    American-Jewish billionaire blasts Obama over negotiations with Tehran; says US should show Iran nuclear capabilities.

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  16. #73
    Reasons To Believe In Trump’s Syria Withdrawal Are Vanishing

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    Trump’s rhetoric on Syria has differed from people in his administration like Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, with the president tending to express more urgency on troop withdrawal and more indifference toward Iranian actions in Syria, but does it make any difference? It really doesn’t matter what noises Trump makes with his mouth if no moves to scale down interventionism actually occur. Either Trump is just saying words he knows his base wants to hear with no intention of following them through, or he is being “outmaneuvered by the Deep State” as Virginia State Senator Dick Black puts it, or he’s run into some other strategic brick wall to immediate troop withdrawal we can’t see, or maybe, perhaps, he will succeed in getting troops out of Syria.

    I personally do not care about Trump’s motives. Antiwar analysts tend to put a lot of emphasis on what the president’s personal intentions are, but it doesn’t matter how Trump’s feelings feel or what kind of person he is inside, what matters is if America’s unconscionable global military expansionism gets scaled down or not. The power structure behaves the way it behaves, and if the troops don’t come home it’s because Trump is either complicit or impotent. Either way, the power structure and its behavior is what matters.

    I’ll be the first to cheer if US military involvement in Syria does end, but I’m not getting my hopes up. Instead, I will continue ignoring the verbiage and watching the behavior. In a world where narrative manipulation is the key to real power, it’s impossible to take anyone close to power at their word.
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  17. #74
    As I've said before... will believe it when I see it.

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  18. #75
    I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do. The fact that he keeps threatening to do this or that draws attention to issues not previously scrutinized.

  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    I have come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter what Trump does or does not do. The fact that he keeps threatening to do this or that draws attention to issues not previously scrutinized.
    Or takes everyone's eye off of what is really going on. It's called theatre.
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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Or takes everyone's eye off of what is really going on. It's called theatre.
    People are now talking about troops in Syria and border security. Are those not real issues this day?

  21. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    People are now talking about troops in Syria and border security. Are those not real issues this day?
    No.

    We are not leaving Syria- that's a ruse- & the border can be handled quite easily with no entitlements & a free market.

    The REAL issues of this day is the continuation and increase of war everywhere (or the Empire will die) and the complete surveillance of every American and soon the entire globe.
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  23. #80
    March 2018- US Leaving Syria Soon

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/polit...gon/index.html

    Trump says US will withdraw from Syria 'very soon'

    Updated 5:44 PM ET, Thu March 29, 2018

    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump said Thursday that the US would "be coming out of Syria like very soon," just hours after the Pentagon highlighted the need for US troops to remain in the country for the immediate future.

    "We're knocking the hell out of ISIS. We'll be coming out of Syria like very soon. Let the other people take care of it now," Trump told supporters at an Ohio event on infrastructure.

    "We are going to have 100% of the caliphate, as they call it, sometimes referred to as land ... But we are going to be coming out of there real soon. We are going to get back to our country, where we belong, where we want to be," Trump added.



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  25. #81
    Poor Cuckold Trump. Everytime he tries to give lady liberty what she needs, Mr. Big Dick MIC steps in and shows him who is actually in charge.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by RonZeplin View Post
    I standby my original statement, MAGA's immediate Syria withdrawal annoucement was technically not fakenews.



    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    March 2018- US Leaving Syria Soon

    Trump says US will withdraw from Syria 'very soon'

    Updated 5:44 PM ET, Thu March 29, 2018

    Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump said Thursday that the US would "be coming out of Syria like very soon," just hours after the Pentagon highlighted the need for US troops to remain in the country for the immediate future.

    "We're knocking the hell out of ISIS. We'll be coming out of Syria like very soon. Let the other people take care of it now," Trump told supporters at an Ohio event on infrastructure.
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/29/polit...gon/index.html
    That statement was made before Bolton's visit to Israel.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    I standby my original statement, MAGA's immediate Syria withdrawal annoucement was technically not fakenews.





    That statement was made before Bolton's visit to Israel.
    The White House sought to make the case on Monday that President Donald Trump had not changed his position on withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria, a day after his national security adviser outlined conditions for a withdrawal that could take months.Trump's abrupt announcement last month that he was bringing home the roughly 2,000 troops in Syria, saying they had succeeded in their mission to defeat Islamic State there, sparked concern among officials in Washington and allies abroad and prompted Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to resign.
    In recent days, Trump administration officials have applied the brakes, making clear the withdrawal will not happen quickly. The president himself said last week that the United States would get out of Syria slowly "over a period of time."
    "The president hasn't changed his position, as he mentioned his primary goal is to ensure the safety of our troops and the safety of our allies as well," White House spokeswoman Mercedes Schlapp told Fox News on Monday. "And so the Department of Defense will come up with its operational plan to safely withdraw our troops."
    "It takes time to take the troops out because we want to make sure that our troops are safe in this process," she said.
    Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron discussed the two countries' commitment to destroy Islamic State and "plans for a strong, deliberate, and coordinated withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria" during a telephone call on Monday, the White House said.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-hou...002037163.html

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  28. #84
    Let the spin begin.
    On Trump:
    How conservative Republicans can continue to support this arrogant imposter—the man who brags about inflicting the world with the Covid mark of the beast; the man who said, “Take the guns first, go through due process second”; and the man who deliberately played and then set up Stewart Rhodes (of course, Stewart was all too eager to be Trump’s patsy) for an 18-year prison sentence—is truly beyond my comprehension.” Chuck Baldwin

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  30. #86
    "The president hasn't changed his position, as he mentioned his primary goal is to ensure the safety of our troops and the safety of our allies as well," White House spokeswoman Mercedes Schlapp told Fox News on Monday. "And so the Department of Defense will come up with its operational plan to safely withdraw our troops."
    "It takes time to take the troops out because we want to make sure that our troops are safe in this process,"
    That's a lot of safety.
    I'm not cognitively privileged but it's my best guess that our troops are safer coming home than they are staying in Syria.
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  31. #87
    Bring 'em home... jus' do it.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

  32. #88


    Contradicting Trump, Bolton says no withdrawal from Syria until ISIS destroyed, Kurds’ safety guaranteed

    (Reuters)
    By Karoun Demirjian
    January 6
    President Trump’s national security adviser sought to reassure allies Sunday that the United States would be methodical about withdrawing troops from Syria, promising that the pullout would not occur until the Islamic State was fully eradicated from the country and Turkey could guarantee the safety of Kurdish fighters who have fought alongside American personnel.
    John Bolton’s comments, reported by the Associated Press, contradict Trump’s mid-December promise to bring troops home from Syria “now,” an announcement that surprised allies and advisers, sparked an outcry from lawmakers, and prompted the resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. It is also the clearest statement yet from any of the president’s surrogates about how they plan to slow the implementation of his pullout plans.
    “There are objectives that we want to accomplish that condition the withdrawal,” Bolton said while speaking to reporters in Jerusalem, on a trip intended to allay Israeli leaders’ concerns about Trump’s announcement. “The timetable flows from the policy decisions that we need to implement.”
    Trump touched off global confusion and panic when he announced via Twitter on Dec. 19 that he would order the withdrawal of the 2,000 troops stationed in Syria to help fight the Islamic State. “Our boys, our young women, our men, they’re all coming back and they’re coming back now. We won,” Trump said at thet time.

    Days later, while visiting U.S. troops in Iraq after Christmas, Trump told reporters traveling with him that he would deny any request from the military to extend the mission in Syria. “They said again, recently, ‘Can we have more time?’ ” Trump said of U.S. generals. “I said: ‘Nope. You can’t have any more time. You’ve had enough time.’ We’ve knocked them out. We’ve knocked them silly.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...0a8_story.html




    No more Syria exit?



    Turkish leader Erdogan scolds and snubs Bolton over Kurdish fighters


    On Jan. 8, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan rebuked National Security advisor John Bolton after he called for the protection of Kurdish fighters in Syria. (AK Party)

    By Kareem Fahim
    January 8 at 8:49 AM
    ISTANBUL — Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan scolded and snubbed visiting White House national security adviser John Bolton on Tuesday, saying that he had made a “very serious mistake” by demanding protection for U.S.-backed Kurdish fighters in Syria.
    Turkish media reported that Erdogan refused to meet with Bolton, though a Turkish presidential spokesman said the meeting was “never confirmed.”
    Erdogan’s remarks, during a speech in Ankara, were a response to comments Bolton made Sunday in Israel outlining conditions for a U.S. troop departure from Syria. Those conditions included protection for thousands of Syrian Kurdish fighters who have been trained and armed by the United States to fight the Islamic State militant group.
    Turkey, which views the Syrian Kurdish fighters as terrorists, has vowed to launch a military operation against them in northeastern Syria, while also continuing the fight against the Islamic State.
    “The message that Bolton gave in Israel is unacceptable. It is not possible for us to swallow,” Erdogan said. He suggested that he might ignore the Trump administration’s request to delay the Turkish military operation.
    “Very soon, we will take action to neutralize terrorist organizations in Syria,” Erdogan said. “We have completed our preparations for the operation to a large extent.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...0a8_story.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post

    Maybe there should be a formal thought out nationally televised address by MAGA on all these Syria, Iraq, Afghan war exit plans and anti foreign spending/globalism plans so there is no ambiguity. That might also put public pressure on noecons political slave masters to back off and not force changes to MAGA's liberty plans to put America First.




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