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    CFR Gabbard on Trump ending wars

    https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/sta...654946304?s=19



    https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/sta...434352641?s=19




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    "Antiwar" Bernie Sanders still silent.

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    *cough*CFR*cough**cough*
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    She is worthless .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    "Antiwar" Bernie Sanders still silent.
    He is worthless .
    Do something Danke

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    We need to get our troops out of Syria ASAP, but it must be done responsibly. Turkey will see this as an invitation to invade northern Syria, decimate our Kurdish allies, & strengthen jihadists like AQ/ISIS/etc, undermining our national security and causing more suffering.
    It all sounds so familiar...


    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    She is worthless .
    Indeed.
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    soooooooooo she just a 2 faced forked tongue snake?
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


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    Make an agreement with Turkey before leaving. Let the Kurds fight ISIS. Cut off aid to all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Make an agreement with Turkey before leaving. Let the Kurds fight ISIS. Cut off aid to all of them.
    Yeah pretty much , tell the turks how it is to be .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/sta...654946304?s=19



    https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/sta...434352641?s=19

    To think I almost fell for her.

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    @UWDude don't feel bad, I almost did too.

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    She seems to think that you shouldn't start killing people until you have a plan. That's wise. However she also seems to believe that if you find yourself killing people without a plan, you keep killing them until you do.
    ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    soooooooooo she just a 2 faced forked tongue snake?
    All the people on this site that like to hate on Swordsmyth, should recognize that he has been pointing out this fact for quite awhile now with facts -- pointing out her votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    She seems to think that you shouldn't start killing people until you have a plan. That's wise. However she also seems to believe that if you find yourself killing people without a plan, you keep killing them until you do.
    She represents everything wrong with america .The next Pelosi . Pass the plan to see whats in it .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    To think I almost fell for her.
    I learned this a long time ago. Democrats ARE NOT anti-war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I learned this a long time ago. Democrats ARE NOT anti-war.
    Here is a Democrat who I know for a fact is real person, because one of my friends knows him personally, and he has been a Democrat forever.. in fact I'm pretty sure he is a history teacher.

    He was complaining about people who drive their car 20 miles a day, they are using too much fossil fuels.. I pointed out that the military uses fossil fuels and pollutes and Trump just called for an end to the wars..

    duh, those "wars" have not ended, we ditched important allies, we'll end up going BACK in there and it'll be worse. Keep toking: pretty deep noticing the military uses fossil fuels, I'd never have guessed.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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    It's pretty easy to assume that every Congresscritter, especially younger ones, from a military background are hand picked MIC puppets. Since it's been known for a while that she's a CFR member, it shouldn't have been hard to anticipate that she'd slowly start morphing into an acceptable MIC candidate approaching 2020 Pres campaign season. A dovish tone but still doing as directed by her CFR superiors.

    Those tweets remind me of Huckabee's "you break it, you bought it" comments from debates past. I'm still struggling to remember when exactly we went into Syria, as to justify all this talk about leaving. I recall announcements about a handful of military advisors and that's it. Is the truth that thousands of troops were sent there without a peep from Congress and the media??
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    Quote Originally Posted by UWDude View Post
    To think I almost fell for her.
    Quote Originally Posted by kona View Post
    @UWDude don't feel bad, I almost did too.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I learned this a long time ago. Democrats ARE NOT anti-war.
    Some people are more “anti-war” than others. Gabbard is Hindu. Hindus have a history with radical Islam. Gabbard was in the military, so she has concerns about about putting troops in harm’s way with no clear mission. Thus she has been an ally with anti-war people on issues like Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia.

    She doesn’t want to give money to all of the radical varieties of Islam (radical Salafism, Wahhabism, Jamaat-e-Islami, Muslim Brotherhood, etc). This would include the Saudis. She doesn’t want to fight wars for them. She doesn’t want to waste US military lives for them. She doesn’t want to nation build for them or have the US military play Police for them. Her objective was getting rid of ISIS, while the establishment was playing games and often supporting ISIS and their allies.

    She supports the Kurds who are fighting ISIS, and her recent statements reflect that. Assad was fighting ISIS too. She is easier to understand if you look at it in those terms.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    I learned this a long time ago. Democrats ARE NOT anti-war.
    The only human being to ever use nuclear weapons, twice, against civilian populations, was a Democrat.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Some people are more “anti-war” than others. Gabbard is Hindu. Hindus have a history with radical Islam. Gabbard was in the military, so she has concerns about about putting troops in harm’s way with no clear mission. Thus she has been an ally with anti-war people on issues like Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia.

    She doesn’t want to give money to all of the radical varieties of Islam (radical Salafism, Wahhabism, Jamaat-e-Islami, Muslim Brotherhood, etc). This would include the Saudis. She doesn’t want to fight wars for them. She doesn’t want to waste US military lives for them. She doesn’t want to nation build for them or have the US military play Police for them. Her objective was getting rid of ISIS, while the establishment was playing games and often supporting ISIS and their allies.

    She supports the Kurds who are fighting ISIS, and her recent statements reflect that. Assad was fighting ISIS too. She is easier to understand if you look at it in those terms.
    She also supports NATO and the NAZIs in Ukraine.

    She is just another phony attack dove.

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    loveshiscountry
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    How does she vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshiscountry View Post
    How does she vote?
    https://www.thenewamerican.com/freedom-index

    Dist.2: Tulsi Gabbard - 31%



    H RES 397: NATO
    Vote Date: June 27, 2017 Vote: AYE Bad Vote.
    This legislation (H. Res. 397) “solemnly reaffirms the commitment of the United States to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s principle of collective defense as enumerated in Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty.” Under Article 5, the member nations of the NATO military alliance “agree that an armed attack against one or more of them ... shall be considered an attack against them all.”

    The House passed H. Res. 397 on June 27, 2017 by a lopsided vote of 423 to 4 (Roll Call 328). We have assigned pluses to the nays not only because the United States should stay clear of entangling alliances such as NATO, but also because the NATO provision that obligates the United States to go to war if any member of NATO is attacked undermines the provision in the U.S. Constitution that assigns to Congress the power to declare war. Moreover, the number of nations that the United States has pledged to defend under NATO has grown from 11 to 28 over the years, as the alliance itself has grown from 12 member nations (including the United States) when NATO was created in 1949 to 29 today. Although NATO was ostensibly formed to counter the threat from the Soviet bloc of nations, some of the nations the United States is now pledged to defend under NATO were once part of that bloc, including Albania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic (as part of Czechoslovakia), Hungary, Poland, and Romania.





    H R 5293: Authorization for Use of Military Force
    Vote Date: June 16, 2016 Vote: NAY Bad Vote.
    During consideration of the Defense Appropriations bill (H.R. 5293), Representative Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) introduced an amendment to prohibit the use of funds in the bill for the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force Act. Enacted in the wake of 9/11, the AUMF authorized the president to “use all necessary and appropriate force” against the terrorists involved, as well as those who aided or harbored them. It was used as the authorization for U.S. military entry into Afghanistan in 2001, and over the years has also been invoked on other occasions by the executive branch to justify U.S. military intervention abroad.

    The House rejected Lee’s amendment on June 16, 2016 by a vote of 146 to 274 (Roll Call 330). We have assigned pluses to the yeas because presidents have been able to claim broad authority to go to war whenever or wherever they choose under the AUMF, despite the fact that the Founding Fathers never intended for one man to make this decision, and under the Constitution only Congress may “declare war.”






    H R 4909: Use of Military Force
    Vote Date: May 18, 2016 Vote: NAY Bad Vote.
    During consideration of the National Defense Authorization Act (H.R. 4909), Representative Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) introduced an amendment to repeal the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) that was enacted in 2001 for the purpose of authorizing U.S. military intervention in Afghanistan in the wake of the 9/11 terror attacks. Since then, however, the AUMF has been invoked numerous times by the executive branch for U.S. military intervention not only in Afghanistan but elsewhere.

    The House rejected Lee’s amendment on May 18, 2016 by a vote of 138 to 285 (Roll Call 210). We have assigned pluses to the yeas because presidents have been able to claim broad authority to go to war whenever or wherever they choose under the AUMF, despite the fact that the Founding Fathers never intended for one man to make this decision, and under the Constitution only Congress may “declare war.”


    H RES 162: Calling on the President to provide Ukraine with military assistance to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity.
    Vote Date: March 23, 2015 Vote: AYE Bad Vote.
    Ukraine Military Aid.
    House Resolution 162, which calls on the president "to provide Ukraine with military assistance to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity," allows President Obama to provide Ukraine with defensive weapons to defend against aggression from Russia.

    The House adopted H. Res. 162 on March 23, 2015 by a vote of 348 to 48 (Roll Call 131). We have assigned pluses to the nays not only because foreign aid is unconstitutional but also because this bill would further interject the United States into a foreign conflict. Allowing the U.S. president to provide lethal arms to Ukraine in order to fight Russia is tantamount to waging a proxy war on Russia without the constitutionally required congressional declaration of war. The House, by giving such power to the president, is relinquishing one of its constitutional responsibilities.


    H R 4870: On Agreeing to the Amendment 51 to H R 4870
    Vote Date: June 19, 2014 Vote: NAY Bad Vote.
    Weapons to Syrian Rebels.
    During consideration of the Defense Appropriations bill, Representative Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb.) introduced an amendment that would have prohibited any funding in the bill from being used to provide weapons to Syrian rebels. Fortenberry noted on the House floor that "the rebel movement is a battleground of shifting alliances and bloody conflicts between groups that now include multinational terrorist organizations," that "sending our weapons into this chaotic war zone could inadvertently help these extremists," and that "it has already happened." He added: "The naive notion that we can deliver weapons to vetted, moderate opposition groups at war with other rebel militias gives no guarantee that our weaponry won't be seized or diverted."

    The House rejected Fortenberry's amendment on June 19, 2014 by a vote of 167 to 244 (Roll Call 328). We have assigned pluses to the yeas because arming "moderate" rebels in a foreign country is tantamount to going to war, which would require a declaration of war by Congress. Also, the United States should follow the Founders' advice not to become involved in foreign quarrels







    H R 4152: To provide for the costs of loan guarantees for Ukraine
    Vote Date: April 1, 2014 Vote: AYE Bad Vote.
    Ukraine Aid.

    This bill (H.R. 4152), as amended by the Senate (see Senate vote below), would provide $150 million for direct aid to Ukraine. It would also provide for loan guarantees (meaning that U.S. taxpayers would be stuck holding the bag if the loans are not paid). And it would impose sanctions on Russian and ex-Ukrainian officials deemed responsible for the crisis in the Ukraine.

    [ The Senate version of this legislation - offered in the form of a substitute amendment to the House version, H.R. 4152 - would provide $150 million for direct aid to Ukraine. It would also provide for loan guarantees (meaning that the U.S. taxpayers would be stuck holding the bag if the loans are not paid). And it would impose sanctions on Russian and ex-Ukrainian officials deemed responsible for the crisis in the Ukraine. ]

    The House voted for this legislation on April 1, 2014 by a vote of 378 to 34 (Roll Call 149). We have assigned pluses to the nays because foreign aid is unconstitutional. The rationale for providing U.S. aid to Ukraine is that the country needs our assistance to resist Russian hegemony and build "democracy." Yet the oligarchs wielding power in Ukraine are hardly "democrats," and (because money is fungible) U.S. assistance could effectively be funneled to Russia in the form of Ukrainian energy and debt payments.
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    loveshiscountry
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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit;6729351
    H RES 397: NATO
    [I
    Vote Date: June 27, 2017 Vote: AYE Bad Vote.
    This legislation (H. Res. 397) “solemnly reaffirms the commitment of the United States to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s principle of collective defense as enumerated in Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty.” Under Article 5, the member nations of the NATO military alliance “agree that an armed attack against one or more of them ... shall be considered an attack against them all.”
    [/I]
    The House passed H. Res. 397 on June 27, 2017 by a lopsided vote of 423 to 4 (Roll Call 328). We have assigned pluses to the nays not only because the United States should stay clear of entangling alliances such as NATO, but also because the NATO provision that obligates the United States to go to war if any member of NATO is attacked undermines the provision in the U.S. Constitution that assigns to Congress the power to declare war. Moreover, the number of nations that the United States has pledged to defend under NATO has grown from 11 to 28 over the years, as the alliance itself has grown from 12 member nations (including the United States) when NATO was created in 1949 to 29 today. Although NATO was ostensibly formed to counter the threat from the Soviet bloc of nations, some of the nations the United States is now pledged to defend under NATO were once part of that bloc, including Albania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic (as part of Czechoslovakia), Hungary, Poland, and Romania.
    I wonder why Amash voted for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Kinda rings true tho, donut?

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshiscountry View Post
    I wonder why Amash voted for this?
    He votes the wrong way at the weirdest times, fortunately he does so very rarely.
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    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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