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    Contradicting Trump, Bolton says no withdrawal from Syria until ISIS destroyed, Kurds’ safety guaranteed

    (Reuters)
    By Karoun Demirjian
    January 6
    President Trump’s national security adviser sought to reassure allies Sunday that the United States would be methodical about withdrawing troops from Syria, promising that the pullout would not occur until the Islamic State was fully eradicated from the country and Turkey could guarantee the safety of Kurdish fighters who have fought alongside American personnel.
    John Bolton’s comments, reported by the Associated Press, contradict Trump’s mid-December promise to bring troops home from Syria “now,” an announcement that surprised allies and advisers, sparked an outcry from lawmakers, and prompted the resignation of Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. It is also the clearest statement yet from any of the president’s surrogates about how they plan to slow the implementation of his pullout plans.
    “There are objectives that we want to accomplish that condition the withdrawal,” Bolton said while speaking to reporters in Jerusalem, on a trip intended to allay Israeli leaders’ concerns about Trump’s announcement. “The timetable flows from the policy decisions that we need to implement.”
    Trump touched off global confusion and panic when he announced via Twitter on Dec. 19 that he would order the withdrawal of the 2,000 troops stationed in Syria to help fight the Islamic State. “Our boys, our young women, our men, they’re all coming back and they’re coming back now. We won,” Trump said at thet time.

    Days later, while visiting U.S. troops in Iraq after Christmas, Trump told reporters traveling with him that he would deny any request from the military to extend the mission in Syria. “They said again, recently, ‘Can we have more time?’ ” Trump said of U.S. generals. “I said: ‘Nope. You can’t have any more time. You’ve had enough time.’ We’ve knocked them out. We’ve knocked them silly.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...0a8_story.html



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    The White House sought to make the case on Monday that President Donald Trump had not changed his position on withdrawing U.S. troops from Syria, a day after his national security adviser outlined conditions for a withdrawal that could take months.Trump's abrupt announcement last month that he was bringing home the roughly 2,000 troops in Syria, saying they had succeeded in their mission to defeat Islamic State there, sparked concern among officials in Washington and allies abroad and prompted Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to resign.
    In recent days, Trump administration officials have applied the brakes, making clear the withdrawal will not happen quickly. The president himself said last week that the United States would get out of Syria slowly "over a period of time."
    "The president hasn't changed his position, as he mentioned his primary goal is to ensure the safety of our troops and the safety of our allies as well," White House spokeswoman Mercedes Schlapp told Fox News on Monday. "And so the Department of Defense will come up with its operational plan to safely withdraw our troops."
    "It takes time to take the troops out because we want to make sure that our troops are safe in this process," she said.
    Trump and French President Emmanuel Macron discussed the two countries' commitment to destroy Islamic State and "plans for a strong, deliberate, and coordinated withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria" during a telephone call on Monday, the White House said.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-hou...002037163.html
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    Syria's Kurds are awaiting clarifications from the U.S. over America's plans to pull out its troops from Syria following comments made by a top White House aide that appeared to counter earlier comments by President Donald Trump, a Syrian Kurdish official said Monday.Speaking to The Associated Press from northern Syria Monday, Badran Ciya Kurd said the Kurds have not been informed of any change in the U.S. position and were in the dark about the latest comments by U.S. national security adviser John Bolton and what they indicated.
    "We have not been formally or directly notified, all what we heard were media statements," he said.

    More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/kurdish-o...122007456.html


    Bolton is running the same bluff as Graham but it won't work.
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    With Golan Heights at Stake, Netanyahu and Bolton Set Trump Straight on Syria



    (MPN) ó The state of Israel seems to share at least some of the responsibility for the latest shift of U.S. Syria policy ó as National Security Adviser John Bolton announced on Sunday that President Donald Trumpís call to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria would now be ďcoordinatedĒ with Israel, after meeting with top Israeli officials including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    Israelís main motivation in preventing a swift U.S. exit from Syria was also made explicit by Netanyahu, who openly stated on Twitter that Israelís push to obtain sovereignty over the occupied Golan Heights Ė which is internationally recognized as part of Syria Ė was the driving factor behind Israelís recent efforts to dramatically slow down Trumpís plan for an ďimmediateĒ withdrawal of U.S. troops currently occupying Syrian territory illegally.

    As MintPress noted at the time of Trumpís withdrawal announcement, Israelís influence on Trumpís Middle East policy and Israelís push towards containing ďIranian influenceĒ in Syria would mean that Trumpís plan to withdraw troops over the alleged defeat of ISIS would likely never materialize if it was opposed by Tel Aviv.

    This was apparently and not surprisingly the case as, soon after Trumpís announcement that he planned to bring U.S. troops home from Syria last month, Israelís government announced that it would dramatically rev up its direct involvement in the Syrian conflict in the U.S.í absence. That involvement had so far been limited to hundreds of unilateral airstrikes on Syrian government and military targets over the course of the nearly eight-year-long war. Israelís threat of escalation revealed Israelís unwillingness to see foreign pressure on Damascus reduced.

    Israelís military ó currently headed by Netanyahu, who is also serving as Israelís defense minister ó made good on this promise to increase its military involvement in Syria soon after, using civilian airplanes as cover to launch airstrikes on Syria on Christmas Day.

    However, Israelís reaction to Trumpís announcement appears to have been much more extensive than its decision to increase its airstrikes targeting Syrian territory. After meeting with Netanyahu and the director of Israeli intelligence, Bolton noted on Twitter that the ďU.S. drawdown in SyriaĒ would now be ďcoordinatedĒ with Israel. Also on Sunday, Bolton announced that the U.S. had no timetable for troop withdrawal from Syria and that the troop withdrawal was also conditional.

    https://theantimedia.com/golan-heigh...n-trump-syria/
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  7. #185
    Turkey is going on the attack against John Bolton following his weekend antics in the Middle East, which most recently included being snubbed by Erdogan in the Turkish capital. Bolton has now gone "rogue" and tried to undercut Trump's Syria pullout decision by setting his own preconditions, writes the editorial board of Turkey's most visible pro-government English language daily newspaper.
    The pro-Erdogan, AKP-supporting Daily Sabah says "a soft coup against Donald Trump" is underway, but that Trump's "rogue" National Security Adviser got a "rude awakening" upon visiting Turkey yesterday:
    If U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton thought yesterday's visit was going to be a walk in the park, he must have had a rude awakening thanks to the lukewarm reception in the Turkish capital Ankara. In retrospect, it was probably a bad idea for Bolton to go rogue and try to impose conditions on the United States withdrawal from Syria. Keeping in mind that Turkey was already getting ready to send its troops to northern Syria before U.S. President Donald Trump's surprise announcement last month, it is time for Washington to accept that it isn't negotiating with Turkey from a position of power.


    The op-ed declares case closed for any doubts about a fierce resistance seeking to subvert Trump within his own administration:
    If there was ever any doubt that the resistance within the Trump administration wasn't real, what happened in light of Trump's decision to leave disproved the skeptics. Bolton and several other members of the Trump administration are committing a serious crime by preventing the current president of the United States from reversing his predecessor's misguided decisions in the Syrian theater. What is happening today isn't a policy debate, but a direct challenge to American democracy by unelected paper-pushers. Indeed, "many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate" President Trump's agenda.
    Bolton is pushing for Trump to hold off on withdrawing 2,000+ US troops from Syria until it had received assurances from Turkey that the Turks wouldn't attack US-backed Kurds in the region. Bolton revealed the change in direction during a Sunday interview, ahead of a planned trip abroad where he will visit Turkey and Israel to discuss the terms of the US withdrawal; however, the degree to which Trump has personally signed off on Bolton's "preconditions" remains unclear, and for the past week contradictory messages have been issued from both Pentagon and admin officials.
    Instead of meeting with Bolton, Erdogan used a prescheduled speech in parliament to criticize American proposals that the Kurdish group play a key role in Syria after the US withdraws, according to Bloomberg.
    Turkey goes on the attack against Bolton: accuses him of going "rogue" and seeking to undercut Trump's decision to pull out of Syria by setting his own conditions. "A soft coup against Trump is underway." https://t.co/cTCQB5x64i
    — Liz Sly (@LizSly) January 8, 2019
    Notably, on Monday President Trump slammed a New York Times piece that heavily quoted Bolton, suggesting new preconditions on the announced Syria draw down, and that Bolton had effectively “rolled back” Trump’s decision to “rapidly withdraw from Syria.”
    Trump blasted the Times via Twitter, saying the newspaper published “a very inaccurate story on my intentions for Syria,” and that the policy that remains is “No different from my original statements, we will be leaving at a proper pace while at the same time continuing to fight ISIS and doing all else that is prudent and necessary!”.

    The astute geopolitical blog Moon of Alabama rightly concluded, "And with that, Bolton was humiliated and the issue of the U.S. retreat from Syria kicked back to Trump."

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-turkish-daily


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  8. #186
    A top Turkish official says Turkey will not seek permission from allies to conduct a military offensive against Syrian Kurdish fighters but is willing to coordinate operations.

    Presidential spokesman Ibrahim Kalin also told reporters following talks with White House national security adviser John Bolton that there is no slowdown in the timetable for a U.S. withdrawal from Syria, adding that U.S. officials have said during their discussions that the withdrawal could take place within "120 days."
    Kaliln said their talks on Tuesday focused on how the United States would collect the weapons that were given to Kurdish militia fighting the Islamic State group as well as the future of U.S. bases in Syria.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/latest-trump-...085331052.html

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  9. #187
    It's but the next humiliation for Bolton, who flew out of Turkey on Tuesday, and for White House policy in the Middle East, after he announced preconditions to American troop draw down that emphasized Turkey agreeing to not attack the US-backed Kurds in Syria. Erdogan slammed this as a "serious mistake" and pro-government Turkish media painted the picture of a "soft coup" underway against Trump being orchestrated by Bolton and other subverters who had "rogue".
    But no doubt adding insult to injury, Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu issued further provocative words on Wednesday, noting that given "certain difficulties" of confused US policy, the American draw down should be coordinated with Iran and Russia to prevent a power vacuum and the reinvigoration of terrorists.
    “The United States [has] been facing certain difficulties with the process of the troops' withdrawal from Syria. We want to coordinate this process with Russia and Iran, with which we had arranged work in the framework of the Astana process,”the Turksih FM said.
    This would involve Turkish forces conducting joint patrols with Russia amidst a US withdrawal of all troops from Syria, in accord with prior agreements reached during the Astana talks, set to continue further in Moscow at a future date. Cavusoglu also said bilateral talks are being prepared between Turkey and Iran, but gave no further specifics, according to Russian media.


    But as we mentioned previously, this is where the Syrian Kurds are actually headed: towards making a deal with Assad which would provide Syrian Army protection to Kurdish enclaves in the face of the invading Turks. This truly local solution, fast taking shape, will occur without the United States or Turkey, and in affirmation of Syrian sovereignty.
    As Washington and Ankara feud, and as President Trump seeks to clamp down on the conflicting messages on Syria from within his own administration, the "solution" may come faster and more organically than anyone thought, namely a Russian-backed Syrian Army advance on Kurdish enclaves in coordination with the YPG/former SDF Kurdish fighters.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...russia-us-exit
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  10. #188
    This truly local solution, fast taking shape, will occur without the United States or Turkey, and in affirmation of Syrian sovereignty.
    Oh, please let it be so. Get Bolton, the US and Erdogan out of there. and let them take care of it. Really, without them would it ever have gone anywhere near this far?
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  11. #189
    Turkey-backed Syrian Rebels, al-Qaeda Reach 15-Day Truce
    Truce leaves al-Qaeda on outskirts of key Idlib city
    Jason Ditz Posted on January 9, 2019Categories NewsTags Syria

    After almost a solid week of losses at the hands of al-Qaeda, the Turkey-backed National Liberation Front has reached a deal with al-Qaeda on a 15-day truce. Both seem to be expecting this to lead to more fighting, and are using it to shore up their forces on their new frontier with one another.

    That fighting is likely to be at the important Idlib Province city of Maarat al-Numaan, as the truce was reached just as al-Qaeda was approaching the outskirts, but before the city itself could be attacked.

    The fighting between the two sides began early last week. According to al-Qaeda, the Nureddin al-Zimki, one of the NLF members, attacked them and killed some of their members. Over the next week, counterattacks saw al-Qaeda seize roughly 25 towns and villages.

    Maarat al-Numaan is on the main road connecting Aleppo and Hama, and is subsequently of considerable value to the rebels, or to the government. Though so far the Syrian government has not intervened, there is growing expectation that further al-Qaeda gains would virtually oblige them to move in and prevent al-Qaeda from getting too big.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2019/01/09/...-15-day-truce/
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  12. #190
    Though officials say that the US remains committed to pullout out of Syria, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Joe Dunford, says that the US will not be either dismantling the small observation posts on the Turkish border, nor giving them to Turkey.

    This was a response to a statement yesterday, in which Turkey’s National Security Adviser said all 22 US bases in Syria must either be given to Turkey, or destroyed outright by the US before they withdraw.

    Gen. Dunford, however, says the US won’t be doing either, and instead plans to “keep” the observation posts, assuring Turkey that they will “deter threats” to southern Turkey from coming out of Syria.

    The recently built posts are a source of tension between the US and Turkey, as while the US insisted that they are for Turkey’s benefit, Turkish President Erdogan pointed out that they’re fairly obviously there to monitor Turkish military operations, and keep the Kurdish YPG apprised of planned invasions.

    Assuming the US withdraws, it doesn’t seem keeping the posts just sitting there at the border would serve any purpose at all. It may, however, be that the US doesn’t want to disadvantage the Kurds by giving the posts to Turkey,and doesn’t want to admit the posts were about watching Turkey by giving them to the Kurds. Too new to destroy, the plan may be to abandon them outright.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2019/01/09/...turkey-border/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Though officials say that the US remains committed to pullout out of Syria, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Joe Dunford, says that the US will not be either dismantling the small observation posts on the Turkish border, nor giving them to Turkey.

    This was a response to a statement yesterday, in which Turkey’s National Security Adviser said all 22 US bases in Syria must either be given to Turkey, or destroyed outright by the US before they withdraw.

    Gen. Dunford, however, says the US won’t be doing either, and instead plans to “keep” the observation posts, assuring Turkey that they will “deter threats” to southern Turkey from coming out of Syria.

    The recently built posts are a source of tension between the US and Turkey, as while the US insisted that they are for Turkey’s benefit, Turkish President Erdogan pointed out that they’re fairly obviously there to monitor Turkish military operations, and keep the Kurdish YPG apprised of planned invasions.

    Assuming the US withdraws, it doesn’t seem keeping the posts just sitting there at the border would serve any purpose at all. It may, however, be that the US doesn’t want to disadvantage the Kurds by giving the posts to Turkey,and doesn’t want to admit the posts were about watching Turkey by giving them to the Kurds. Too new to destroy, the plan may be to abandon them outright.
    https://news.antiwar.com/2019/01/09/...turkey-border/
    I predict they will hand them over to the Kurds.
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  14. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I predict they will hand them over to the Kurds.
    You're like Nostradamus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    You're like Nostradamus.
    I make no claims about the accuracy of my predictions.
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  17. #194
    A Syrian government minister expressed optimism on Wednesday over dialogue with Kurdish groups that want to strike a political deal with Damascus, suggesting progress had been made in contacts mediated by Russia.Kurdish-led groups who control swathes of northern Syria have revived contacts with Damascus in the wake of U.S. President Donald Trump's decision to withdraw troops from their region. These groups are keen to stave off any Turkish attack.
    Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad's comments to journalists were the first on the talks with the Kurds, who are calling on Damascus to deploy troops at the border with Turkey.
    Asked whether progress had been made, Mekdad said: "I feel that we must always be optimistic. The past experiences were not encouraging. But now matters are reaching their conclusion."
    He signaled approval of recent statements by Kurdish groups affirming they are part of the Syrian state and nation, saying "the conditions" were favorable for them return to the state.
    "Therefore I am always optimistic ... we encourage these political groups to be sincere in dialogue that is happening now between the Syrian state and these groups, taking into account that there is no alternative to that," he told a small group of journalists including Reuters.

    Mekdad said he was certain all "foreign forces" would withdraw from Syria.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/syrian-minist...142711461.html
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  18. #195
    Turkey has threatened to strike the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia if the United States delays its troop withdrawal from the country, according to The Guardian.
    "If the [pullout] is put off with ridiculous excuses like Turks are massacring Kurds, which do not reflect the reality, we will implement this decision," said Turkish foreign minister MevlŁt «avuşoğlu, referring to their threat to launch a military operation in Kurdish controlled Syria.


    "We are determined on the field and at the table … We will decide on its timing and we will not receive permission from anyone," «avuşoğlu said of the plan to strike, adding that various officials in the Trump administration had tried to discourage Trump from the pullout plan - creating "excuses" such as Turkey massacring Kurds, referring to Pompeo's comments.
    «avuşoğlu added that Turkey would fight the YPG whether or not the US withdraws from Syria, and that he and Pompeo would discuss over the phone on Thursday.

    More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...-now-we-strike
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