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    Some L.A. pensions are so huge they exceed IRS limits, costing taxpayers millions extra

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    Some L.A. pensions are so huge they exceed IRS limits, costing taxpayers millions extra


    Dozens of retired Los Angeles employees are collecting such generous retirement pay that they exceed pension fund limits set by the Internal Revenue Service, saddling taxpayers with additional costs, a Times data analysis has found.

    Their lavish pensions forced the city to establish an “Excess Benefit Plan” to pay what the pension system cannot legally cover, using money that could otherwise be tapped to fix sidewalks, fight homelessness or hire more cops.

    In all, the little-known fund has paid $14.6 million to 110 retired employees since 2010, The Times’ analysis showed.

    The list of recipients is dominated by former cops and firefighters whose million-dollar payouts from a separate retirement program drove their incomes well over the $220,000 annual limit the IRS allows pension funds to pay.

    The top recipient of excess benefits last year was former LAPD Assistant Chief Earl Paysinger, whose $251,000 pension alone would have put him over the limit.

    But an additional $1.3-million lump sum payment Paysinger got through the Deferred Retirement Option Plan when he retired in 2016 catapulted him way over the top, requiring the city to pay more than half of his pension from the Excess Benefit Plan.

    Next was former Assistant Fire Chief Emile Mack, who also received a $1.3-million DROP payment in addition to his $247,000 pension, according to city data from 2017, the last year for which complete records are available.

    Joining them soon at the top of the list will be current LAPD Chief Michel Moore, who got a $1.27-million DROP payment and started collecting his $240,000 pension when he retired, briefly, earlier this year. He’s now collecting an additional $350,000 per year in salary from city taxpayers.

    The DROP program came under scrutiny this year after a Times investigation found that nearly half of the cops and firefighters who have entered the program — which pays their salary and pension simultaneously for up to the last five years of their careers — subsequently took injury leaves, typically for bad backs, sore knees, carpal tunnel syndrome and other conditions that afflict aging bodies regardless of profession.

    The average absence was about 10 months, but hundreds took more than a year off, at essentially double their usual pay.

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    https://www.latimes.com/local/califo...216-story.html
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    A lot of them take other govt jobs after "retirement" and end up qualifying for 2 pensions.

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    They're not called the parasitic ruling class for nothing.
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    At some point the rest of us are going to refuse to pay out on those pensions that our rulers promised themselves all over the country.

    Depending on how the societal breakdown happens government workers may end up being the targets of asset reclamation as well.

    Government pensions started with the military because so many veterans were damaged for life and it made recruiting easier if you could be sure of having an income for life even if you were maimed, giving civilian government workers a pension should be unconstitutional.
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    Do something Danke



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