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    Johnson & Johnson stock tanks amid report company knew since '70s its baby powder contained as

    They should go bankrupt--how many babies and people breathed in the powder, I wonder?

    Johnson & Johnson stock tanks amid report company knew since '70s its baby powder contained asbestos

    By: Jared Leone

    Johnson & Johnson has promoted its baby powder as a safe and gentle product for use on babies and adults even as the company knew for decades that the product contains carcinogens, according to an investigation by Reuters.

    Company reports, internal memos as well as trial and deposition documents indicate that at least from 1971 to the early 2000s, Johnson & Johnson’s raw talc and finished powders sometimes tested positive for small amounts of asbestos, Reuters reported.

    The documents were released as part of a lawsuit by plaintiffs claiming the product can be linked to ovarian cancer. Some documents indicate consulting labs found asbestos in the company’s talc as early as 1957 and 1958.

    https://www.wsbtv.com/news/trending-...zen.yandex.com
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    This would not be an issue if J&J were owned by HRC.

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    They need to be made examples of. No company should be allowed to get away with keeping information from the public like this. I see this happening with vaccines all the time.

    Johnson & Johnson knew for decades that asbestos lurked in some of its baby powder
    Internal documents show that the company's powder was sometimes tainted with carcinogenic asbestos and that J&J kept the information quiet.

    Dec. 14, 2018 / 11:35 AM EST
    By Reuters
    Darlene Coker knew she was dying. She just wanted to know why.

    She knew that her cancer, mesothelioma, arose in the delicate membrane surrounding her lungs and other organs. She knew it was as rare as it was deadly, a signature of exposure to asbestos. And she knew that it afflicted mostly men who had inhaled asbestos dust in mines and industries such as shipbuilding that used the carcinogen before its risks were understood.

    Coker, 52, had raised two daughters and was running a massage school in Lumberton, a small town in eastern Texas. How had she been exposed to asbestos? “She wanted answers,” her daughter Cady Evans said.

    Fighting for every breath and in crippling pain, Coker hired Herschel Hobson, a personal-injury lawyer. He homed in on a suspect: the Johnson’s baby powder that Coker had used on her infant children and sprinkled on herself all her life. Hobson knew that talc and asbestos often occurred together in the earth, and that mined talc could be contaminated with the carcinogen. Coker sued Johnson & Johnson, alleging that “poisonous talc” in the company’s beloved product was her killer.

    J&J denied the claim. Baby powder was asbestos-free, it said. As the case proceeded, J&J was able to avoid handing over talc test results and other internal company records Hobson had requested to make the case against baby powder.

    Coker had no choice but to drop her lawsuit, Hobson said. “When you are the plaintiff, you have the burden of proof,” he said. “We didn’t have it.”

    That was in 1999. Two decades later, the material Coker and her lawyer sought is emerging, as J&J has been compelled to share thousands of pages of company memos, internal reports and other confidential documents with lawyers for some of the 11,700 plaintiffs now claiming that the company’s talc caused their cancers — including thousands of women with ovarian cancer.

    A Reuters examination of many of those documents, as well as deposition and trial testimony, shows that from at least 1971 to the early 2000s, the company’s raw talc and finished powders sometimes tested positive for small amounts of asbestos, and that company executives, mine managers, scientists, doctors and lawyers fretted over the problem and how to address it while failing to disclose it to regulators or the public.

    The documents also depict successful efforts to influence U.S. regulators’ plans to limit asbestos in cosmetic talc products and scientific research on the health effects of talc.

    A small portion of the documents have been produced at trial and cited in media reports. Many were shielded from public view by court orders that allowed J&J to turn over thousands of documents it designated as confidential. Much of their contents is reported here for the first time.

    In 1976, as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration was weighing limits on asbestos in cosmetic talc products, J&J assured the regulator that no asbestos was “detected in any sample” of talc produced between December 1972 and October 1973. It didn’t tell the agency that at least three tests by three different labs from 1972 to 1975 had found asbestos in its talc — in one case at levels reported as “rather high.”

    Most internal J&J asbestos test reports Reuters reviewed do not find asbestos. However, while J&J’s testing methods improved over time, they have always had limitations that allow trace contaminants to go undetected — and only a tiny fraction of the company’s talc is tested.

    The World Health Organization and other authorities recognize no safe level of exposure to asbestos. While most people exposed never develop cancer, for some, even small amounts of asbestos are enough to trigger the disease years later. Just how small hasn’t been established. Many plaintiffs allege that the amounts they inhaled when they dusted themselves with tainted talcum powder were enough.

    In two cases earlier this year — in New Jersey and California — juries awarded big sums to plaintiffs who, like Coker, blamed asbestos-tainted J&J talc products for their mesothelioma.

    A third verdict, in St. Louis, was a watershed, broadening J&J’s potential liability: The 22 plaintiffs were the first to succeed with a claim that asbestos-tainted baby powder and Shower to Shower talc, a longtime brand the company sold in 2012, caused ovarian cancer, which is much more common than mesothelioma. The jury awarded them $4.69 billion in damages. Most of the talc cases have been brought by women with ovarian cancer who say they regularly used J&J talc products as a perineal antiperspirant and deodorant.

    At the same time, at least three juries have rejected claims that baby powder was tainted with asbestos or caused plaintiffs’ mesothelioma. Others have failed to reach verdicts, resulting in mistrials.

    J&J has said it will appeal the recent verdicts against it. It has maintained in public statements that its talc is safe. It has blamed its losses on juror confusion, “junk” science, unfair court rules and overzealous lawyers looking for a fresh pool of asbestos plaintiffs.

    "Plaintiffs’ attorneys out for personal financial gain are distorting historical documents and intentionally creating confusion in the courtroom and in the media,” Ernie Knewitz, J&J’s vice president of global media relations, wrote in an emailed response to Reuters’ findings. “This is all a calculated attempt to distract from the fact that thousands of independent tests prove our talc does not contain asbestos or cause cancer. Any suggestion that Johnson & Johnson knew or hid information about the safety of talc is false.”

    J&J declined to comment further for this article. For more than two months, it turned down repeated requests for an interview with J&J executives. On Dec. 8, the company offered to make an expert available. It had not done so as of Thursday evening.

    J&J, based in New Brunswick, New Jersey, has dominated the talc powder market for more than 100 years, its sales outpacing those of all competitors combined, according to Euromonitor International data. And while talc products contributed just $420 million to J&J’s $76.5 billion in revenue last year, baby powder is considered an essential facet of the company's carefully tended image as a caring company — a “sacred cow,” as one 2003 internal email put it.

    “When people really understand what’s going on, I think it increases J&J’s exposure a thousandfold,” said Mark Lanier, one of the lawyers for the women in the St. Louis case.

    The persistence of the industry’s view that cosmetic talc is asbestos-free is why no studies have been conducted on the incidence of mesothelioma among users of the products. It’s also partly why regulations that protect people in mines, mills, factories and schools from asbestos-laden talc don’t apply to babies and others exposed to cosmetic talc — even though baby powder talc has at times come from the same mines as talc sold for industrial use. J&J says cosmetic talc is more thoroughly processed and thus purer than industrial talc.

    Until recently, the American Cancer Society accepted the industry’s position, saying on its website: “All talcum products used in homes have been asbestos-free since the 1970s.”

    After receiving inquiries from Reuters, the ACS in early December revised its website to remove the assurance that cosmetic talcs are free of asbestos. Now, it says, quoting the industry’s standards, that all cosmetic talc products in the United States “should be free from detectable amounts of asbestos.”

    Coker never learned why she had mesothelioma. She did beat the odds, though. Most patients die within a year of diagnosis. Coker held on long enough to see her two grandchildren. She died in 2009, 12 years after her diagnosis, at age 63.

    Coker’s daughter Crystal Deckard was 5 when her sister, Cady, was born in 1971. Deckard remembers seeing the white bottle of Johnson’s baby powder on the changing table where her mother diapered her new sister.

    “When Mom was given this death sentence, she was the same age as I am right now,” Deckard said. “I have it in the back of my mind all the time. Could it happen to us? Me? My sister?”
    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...powder-n948016
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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    oh, nice.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Johnson & Johnson's stock fell as much as 6% Friday after the US Justice Department announced a criminal investigation into whether the company lied about the possible cancer risks of its talcum powder products, according to a Bloomberg report.
    The probe comes at the same time as a regulatory investigation and civil claims by thousands of cancer patients that allege the company's Baby Powder products caused their illnesses. More than 14,000 lawsuits filed against J&J claim the talc products contain asbestos and are responsible for ovarian cancer or mesothelioma.
    The world's largest manufacturer of health care products said in February that it had received subpoenas, but much of the investigation was a mystery at the time. Lawsuits related to the presence of carcinogens in its baby powder have unearthed internal memos from as far back as the 1960s that warn asbestos detected in the company's talc products was a "severe health hazard" that could pose a legal risk.
    Shares fell as much as 17% in December after reports of memos appearing to show J&J executives knew the products were contaminated as early as the 1970s.
    Almost a dozen court cases have concluded J&J knew some of their products had at least trace amounts of asbestos and didn't disclose the risks to consumers. Jurors have already awarded more than $5 billion to those who blame the powders for their cancers. Although J&J asserts it has no liability because its products are safe, Bloomberg Intelligence estimates civil settlements related to its talc products could cost as much as $15 billion overall.
    Aside from the civil suits brought by consumers, several J&J investors have accused the company of defrauding them, arguing its shares were artificially inflated because of its failure to disclose the dangers of its powder products.

    More at: https://markets.businessinsider.com/...9-7-1028349902
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    Does asbestos cause mesothelioma? Surely this would be a common cancer in miners since they are exposed to large amounts. They should be dropping dead in large numbers.

    https://slate.com/technology/2018/12...on-cancer.html

    We’re all exposed to asbestos “just from living,” says James Kelly, manager of environmental surveillance and assessment at the Minnesota Department of Health. “Obviously, it doesn’t cause everyone to become sick.” Even most asbestos miners do not get mesothelioma: the risk of the disease can increase a hundredfold for miners (the exact number depends on the specific conditions), but the number of people who actually get it is a small percentage of those exposed. In one cohort of 903 miners in Finland, for example, just four got the disease.
    Millions were exposed to Johnson Baby Powder- moms, dads, babies. Surely there are lots of cases of mesothelioma. How common is it? Out of one million people, just fourteen will die from it this year.

    Mesothelioma is hard to study, both because it’s exceedingly rare, and it tends to take decades after exposure to develop. Each year, there are 14 deaths per 1 million people over the age of 25; more people die in car accidents in a single day than from mesothelioma per year even though, like cars, asbestos is to some extent ubiquitous in our environment—in the air, in car brakes, and in older buildings. We’re all exposed to asbestos “just from living,” says James Kelly, manager of environmental surveillance and assessment at the Minnesota Department of Health. “Obviously, it doesn’t cause everyone to become sick.”

    But why would baby powder contain asbestos to begin with? Because it’s made from talc, a natural mineral that is found in the earth, sometimes alongside asbestos. Knowing that, it’s easy to see how some asbestos could wind up in baby powder, and these new documents make clear that it did at least sometimes.
    Last edited by Zippyjuan; 07-12-2019 at 09:07 PM.



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