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    Exclamation One Snub Too Many: Kremlin Ready to Turn Against Trump as Patience Coming to an End



    “Russian patience is coming to an end,” Andrey Kortunov, head of the Kremlin-funded International Affairs Council, told Bloomberg in a rare assessment that actually attempts to gauge Russian interests two years into a downward spiraling relationship with the Trump administration, as opposed to the more common mainstream analysis that begins with Russiagate and ends with trying to square Trump's anti-Russian policies according to some 4-D chess decision-making fantasy scenario.
    Kortunov continued, “This is a signal for us that it’s difficult to deal with this person, that he’s unreliable and unsuitable as a partner.”

    After interviewing multiple high level unnamed Kremlin insiders, Bloomberg concluded that Russian frustration has reached a breaking point. The report noted that "Donald Trump may have stood up Vladimir Putin once too often" after snubbing Putin twice in less than a month.
    First came canceled talks in Paris on Nov. 11 during the weekend centennial anniversary of Armistice Day events, but the bigger shock was G-20 in Argentina, per Bloomberg:
    Feted by Russian lawmakers with applause and champagne after his election in 2016, Trump’s mercurial decision-making is increasingly seen as a liability in Moscow. Russian officials were taken aback when Trump tweeted that he was canceling talks with Putin at the Group of 20 summit in Argentina hours before they were due to meet last week, a decision one of them called really bad. Since then, Russian frustration has steadily grown, according to four senior officials, who asked not to be identified discussing internal matters.
    So much for MSNBC-style conspiracizing over Kremlin-White House back channel puppet-mastery... but we don't expect such vapid commentary to let up anytime soon regardless.
    What does it mean for the two superpowers finding it hard or impossible to sit down at the same table? Here's the scorecard representing increasingly dangerous trends which certainly don't bode well for global stability and peace that's about much more than two leaders at odds as geopolitical tensions build, according to Bloomberg's findings.
    New arms race As Putin warns of a new arms race over Trump’s threat to abandon a landmark nuclear treaty, the Kremlin’s left itself with little alternative than to dig in for confrontation over U.S. demands.
    Sanctions: [Russia] may also retaliate against possible future U.S. sanctions after Putin held back from taking measures in response to earlier rounds of penalties... Tensions may spike further in coming months if the U.S. decides to impose fresh sanctions over alleged Russian election meddling.
    Ukraine, Syria, Iran: Russia takes a harder line in talks with the U.S. on thorny issues including arms control, the conflicts in Ukraine and Syria and the Iranian nuclear accord.
    Black Sea military tensions: UN Ambassador Nikki Haley called the attack on Ukrainian ships a “reckless” and “outlaw” action at an emergency Security Council meeting. Secretary of State Michael Pompeo called it a “dangerous escalation and a violation of international law.”
    European security threatened: On the military front, Russia is already threatening to target European states if they host U.S. missiles after Trump withdraws from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. “Don’t try to talk to Russia from a position of force,” said Klintsevich, the lawmaker. “You’ll end up with such a headache you won’t know what’s hit you.”
    Doors closing on diplomacy: While Russian officials previously expressed “understanding” of Trump’s political difficulties amid U.S. investigations into meddling, this time, they openly cast doubt on him. The president blamed Russia’s naval clash with Ukraine near Crimea for the cancellation. His decision was announced hours after his former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about plans for a Trump real-estate investment in Moscow.
    After the recent Trump snubs Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the idea of Putin visiting Washington — as was offered during the two leaders' prior Helsinki summit — is now “out of the question.” This means there's likely no chance of a meeting before the next G-20 summit in Japan in June, if even then.

    A key theme among officials and Russian think-tankers interviewed was the perception that Russia is constantly being told to “give something” to improve relations with Washington, but in return is only suffering a humiliating cold shoulder in the process.
    Optimism across Russia — from domestic media to government officials — is waning...






    Senior members of the ruling United Russia party even regretted Trump’s victory, though Putin has dismissed the notion that a presidency of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton would have averted the current frictions.
    “It’s far worse than it would have been under Clinton,” said Frants Klintsevich, a senator who sits on United Russia’s governing council. “She’s an experienced politician and any of her actions would have been based on logic and some kind of discussion. Here we’re seeing huge swings in one direction and another.” — Bloomberg
    Vladimir Lukin, a former Russian ambassador to the U.S. and current Russian parliamentarian summed up the perception from Moscow well when he told Bloomberg: “We can do ‘give and take’ but not ‘give and give’.”
    https://russia-insider.com/en/one-sn...ng-end/ri25615

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    It's ok, he has plenty of support at home.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Trump Has Been Broken by the Military/Security Complex
    Paul Craig Roberts
    In order to protect himself from the military/security complex, President Trump has abandoned his intention of normalizing relations with Russia. Just as the neoconservative ideology needs US hegemony, the military/security complex needs an enemy to justify the $1,000 billion annual budget. The Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama regimes have crafted Russia into that enemy. Trump intended to change that, but he has been prevented.
    Russiagate is the orchestration used to force President Trump into submission.
    As Stephen Cohen, a few others and I have emphasized, the risk of nuclear war from the orchestrated confrontation with Russia is the highest ever with the situation today being more dangerous than during the Cold War. During the Cold War, both Washington and Moscow worked to reduce tensions and to build trust, but in the 21st century Washington has destroyed trust.
    The Russians have been very patient and have avoided belligerence in response to Washington’s insults and provocations, but now they announce “Russian patience is at an end.”
    Andrey Kortunov blames Trump, but the problem is the neoconservatives, the military/security complex, and presstitute media, a combination that has proved itself to be too powerful of a combination for a mere president. The Democratic Party and the liberal/progressive/left are complicit in the tragedy. They have permitted their hate to subvert judgment with the consequence that nuclear war again threatens life on earth.
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...urity-complex/

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakey1 View Post
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/201...urity-complex/
    ...
    The Democratic Party and the liberal/progressive/left are complicit in the tragedy. They have permitted their hate to subvert judgment with the consequence that nuclear war again threatens life on earth.
    ...
    The Democrats would love to push the US into a hot war with Russia. As long as the end of the world can be blamed on Trump, they will die happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The Democrats would love to push the US into a hot war with Russia. As long as the end of the world can be blamed on Trump, they will die happy.
    I believe this is actually true. But that doesn't negate the neo cons on the 'right' foaming at the mouth at the slightest mention of Russia.
    "The Patriarch"

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    This is just further proof Trump is working with the Russians. They know that the democrats will lose their $#@! and their talking points if there is no collusion with Russia, and we all know collusion is a two way street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    I believe this is actually true. But that doesn't negate the neo cons on the 'right' foaming at the mouth at the slightest mention of Russia.
    Hillary, Kristol, Pompeo, Nikki, yada, yada, all neocon leftists.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    It's ok. Putin does not respond to insults, and knows the pressure Trump is under. US forces just routed Neocon ISIS forces in Syria again that is what counts.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Hillary, Kristol, Pompeo, Nikki, yada, yada, all neocon leftists.
    Yes, they're leftists. We know that, but that's not how they all are portrayed or identify as.
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