If Trump's numbers are correct. That is more than our entire US military budget.
US GDP is $19.39 trillion. 4.3% of that would be $834 billion a year.
If Trump's numbers are correct. That is more than our entire US military budget.
So what's the real number?
I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.
Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
Our entire military budget is about $730 billion a year.
Some other figures:
https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-...osts-and-value
That comes to about $36 billion. That is about five percent of our total military budget or less than two tenths of one percent (0.18%) of our GDP.Direct funding for NATO
Looking at its direct commitment to Europe, the US contribution to NATO common funding stands at a fairly hefty 22.1%, or about US$685 million. This covers the costs of some operations, training and exercises, joint facilities, NATO headquarters and staff. The US further contributes to common equipment procurement, such as the Alliance Ground Surveillance System and the Strategic Airlift Command. It also provides some unique capabilities, including NATO Ballistic Missile Defence, for which the costs are included in the US Missile Defence Agency budget. In total, US funding for NATO military capabilities amounted to US$6.96bn in 2017 and US$6.87bn in 2018.
Costs of US military presence in Europe
Besides direct support to NATO capabilities, the US maintains a significant military presence in Europe, via various mechanisms. As of March 2018, US European Command (EUCOM) had around 70,000 active duty personnel, 2,000 reservists and 16,350 Department of Defense civilian personnel. Including personnel deployed on Operation Atlantic Resolve, with operations and maintenance expenses, annual costs for these forces are estimated at US$20.3bn in 2017 and US$24.4bn in 2018. This covers the costs of operating US bases in Europe.
The US presence in Europe has also been strengthened since June 2014 by the European Deterrence Initiative (EDI), an evolving response to the Russian annexation of Crimea (and originally called the European Reassurance Initiative). The EDI budget was US$789m in 2016 but rose to US$3.42bn in 2017, US$4.78bn in 2018 and is projected to increase to US$6.53bn in 2019 (see Figure 2).
US foreign military assistance
Finally, the US further contributes to European security through military aid to NATO allies, to a total of US$54m in 2017, but declining by more than 50% – to US$24m – in 2018.
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...es-pay-below-1
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-08-2018 at 04:23 PM.
So europe should be paying tribute .
Do something Danke
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Time to leave NATO.
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$36 billion would buy an awful lot of territorial United States border defense and invasion repelling.
Wasn't there some crazy old coot from Texas that said something like that?
Something to the effect of just marching the troops home and putting them to work defending the United States?
Nah...prolly not...I must be losing my mind.
Last edited by Anti Federalist; 12-08-2018 at 06:00 PM.
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I just want objectivity on this forum and will point out flawed sources or points of view at my leisure.
Originally Posted by spudea on 01/15/24Originally Posted by spudea on 04/20/16Originally Posted by spudea on 05/30/17
I don't get to say this very often, but something is wrong with your numbers. I don't know where Trump is getting current his number from, but these charts taken directly from NATO indicate that the US was estimated to be spending dramatically upwards of your numbers in 2017.
Last edited by angelatc; 12-08-2018 at 08:07 PM.
That is a percent of GDP they spend on their military- not just towards NATO. From your link:
NATO collects defence expenditure data from Allies on a regular basis and presents
aggregates and subsets of this information. Each Ally’s Ministry of Defence reports
current and estimated future defence expenditure according to an agreed definition of
defence expenditure. The amounts represent payments by a national government actually
made, or to be made, during the course of the fiscal year to meet the needs of its armed
forces, those of Allies or of the Alliance.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-08-2018 at 08:19 PM.
Be nice if we didn't spend any money defending Europe.
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I said it before, I'll say it again:
I miss the days when this "movement" was opposed to military spending abroad, wanted the troops home and the border defended.
How much does Europe spend to defend the US?
Or is NATO just a scheme to rob the US taxpayer to subsidize European socialism?
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How much would Congress be willing to cut (they write the budgets)? In 2008 we were spending $481 on defense. Can you save $1 trillion there (certainly not in one year)? Total spending was $2.9 trillion. This year we are spending over $4 trillion and $700 billion on defense. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_U...federal_budget
I had problems with his math back then too. Besides Social Security, Medicare/ Medicaid and interest on the debt we were spending about $1.15 trillion. He said he could cut $1 trillion from that budget without cutting any Social Security or Medicaid. That would leave about $150 billion for everything including Defense.
Plan to Restore America- Ron Paul. http://c3244172.r72.cf0.rackcdn.com/...mericaPlan.pdfSPENDING:
Cuts $1 trillion in spending during the first year of Ron Paul’s presidency, eliminating five cabinet departments (Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education), abolishing the Transportation Security Administration and returning responsibility for security to private property owners, abolishing corporate subsidies, stopping foreign aid, ending foreign wars, and returning most other spending to 2006 levels.
ENTITLEMENTS:
Honors our promise to our seniors and veterans, while allowing young workers to opt out. Block-grants Medicaid and other welfare programs to allow States the flexibility and ingenuity they need to solve their own unique problems without harming those currently relying on the programs.
The budgets (2008) for the five departments he would eliminate:
Energy: $24.3 billion
HUD: $35.2 billion
Commerce: $1.9 billion
Interior: $10.6 billion
Education: $56.4 billion
That's $117 billion. Only about ten percent of what he wanted. Assuming Congress would agree.
Returning discretionary spending to 2006 levels would actually have INCREASED spending. The 2006 budget called for $2.7 trillion in spending but subtracting off Social Security and Medicare/ Medicaid and interest on the debt leaves $1.3 trillion -more than the 2008 budget of $1.15. The growth of the social welfare programs offset reductions in other spending.
Last edited by Zippyjuan; 12-08-2018 at 08:53 PM.
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