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    Chinese Scientist Who Gene-Edited Babies Mysteriously Missing

    The Chinese researcher who shocked the scientific community with claims that he used cutting-edge gene-editing technology to alter the DNA of two babies and several embryos has mysteriously disappeared.

    Scientist He Jiankui has not been seen since Wednesday of last week, after he attended the Second International Summit on Human Genome editing in Hong Kong where he defended his work, according tothe South China Morning Post.
    Reports that he was detained were dismissed by his former employer, the Southern University of Science and Technology (SUSTC), located in Shezhen. A spokeswoman for the university declined to elaborate, stating "We cannot answer any questions regarding the matter right now, but if we have any information, we will update it through our official channels."
    Over the weekend, some media outlets reported that the scientist had been brought back to Shenzhen by the university’s president.
    The reports claimed he was being kept under effective house arrest after he made an appearance at the Second International Summit on Human Genome Editing in Hong Kong on Wednesday. -SCMP


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    The Chinese scientist who shocked the world by announcing he created the first genetically-edited babies, He Jiankui, and who had been missing since his accomplishment spawned widespread outrage around the globe, has been "kept" in a small university guest house, apparently under lock and key while guarded by "a dozen unidentified men", according to the New York Times.
    The men didn’t identify who they were so it’s not clear if they’re with the government or university. My bet is police/psb/mss. We were then followed around the university by its security. Guards are also posted permanently at his former office, which is blocked by a red belt. pic.twitter.com/OFYn7mTc8d
    — Paul Mozur (@paulmozur) December 29, 2018
    He was spotted for the last time in public in late November at a conference in Hong Kong, where he defended his actions. Over the past couple of weeks, rumors and speculation spread whether or not he was under house arrest. There has been no word from the Chinese government or his university, which placed him under investigation, about his whereabouts (or future).
    For now, he appears to live in a fourth floor apartment in a university guesthouse on the campus of the Southern University of Science and Technology.



    This past Wednesday, the doctor was seen on the balcony of his guest house, pacing back-and-forth. He could also be seen at one point talking to a woman who appeared to be his wife. It was observed that balconies attached to his apartment were fenced off by metal wiring. That same evening, four plainclothes guards stood outside of his apartment and when prompted, one said “How did you know that Professor He is here?”
    It wasn’t clear whether the guards were from the University, the government, the police or some type of other organization. Police in Shenzhen did not respond to the New York Times' request for comment.
    When we visited the Southern University of Science and Technology was hosting a conference and visiting experts were checking in unaware Dr. He was being held a few floors above. At least 12 plainclothes guards live on the floor with him and prevented us from getting close. pic.twitter.com/EgqPrH99dg
    — Paul Mozur (@paulmozur) December 29, 2018
    A colleague who helped co-found He's gene-testing company, Liu Chaoyu, confirmed his identity after seeing him on video. According to another co-founder, Chen Peng, Dr. He is allowed to make phone calls and send emails. Chen stated: "He is safe. But I don’t know his exact whereabouts or what state he is in."


    Earlier, a local newspaper reported that He had been placed under house arrest, which prompted much of the speculation as to his whereabouts. However, the University has claimed that this was not the case, stating: "Right now nobody’s information is accurate, only the official channels are."
    The media in China has been surprisingly quiet about Dr. He's situation after he published his findings a months ago, suggesting a censorship order had come from the very top. He was spotted watching television on Thursday and guards were observed on the floor of his apartment on Friday. There were also guards placed in the hallway leading to his former offices at the school's biology department. In late December, the University issued a notice to his staff telling employees they were prohibited from taking interviews about anything regarding the genetically edited babies.
    The notice, dated November 29, stated: “Do not discuss the contents or progress of the investigation, do not comment on the matter.”

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    A Chinese scientist who created what he said were the world's first "gene-edited" babies evaded oversight and broke ethical boundaries in a quest for fame and fortune, state media said on Monday, as his former university said he had been fired.

    More at: https://news.yahoo.com/chinese-scien...091531507.html
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    Alexis de Torqueville

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    Genetic Engineering Will Change Everything Forever http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...CRISPR-(Video)

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    Are scientists’ reactions to ‘CRISPR babies’ about ethics or self-governance?

    https://www.statnews.com/2019/01/28/...lf-governance/

    JANUARY 28, 2019


    Scientists like Qiu Renzong, the former vice president of the Chinese Ministry of Health's ethics committee, have challenged the ethics of He Jiankui's use of CRISPR on two human embryos that led to the birth of twin girls.


    It’s been two months since Chinese scientist He Jiankui shocked the world with the announcement that his lab had created the first genetically edited babies. Since then, much of the public furor surrounding the news has died down, even as He has been fired by the Southern University of Science and Technology. There is one important takeaway from the controversy that seems to have gone overlooked in the CRISPR ethics discussion: defining the ethics of editing human life should not be left to scientists alone.

    The research community widely agreed that He and his colleagues crossed an ethical line with the first inheritable genetic modification of human beings. Gene-editing experts as well as bioethicists described the transgression as being conducted by a “rogue” individual. But when leading voices such as NIH Director Francis Collins assert that He’s work “represents a deeply disturbing willingness by Dr. He and his team to flout international ethical norms,” what are they actually expressing concern about? Who determines what are the ethics of altering human life?

    We believe that the alarm being sounded by the scientific community isn’t really about ethics. It’s about protecting a particular form of scientific self-governance, which the “ethics” discourse supports. What are currently treated as matters of research ethics are in fact political and social questions of fundamental human importance.

    Key decisions about when and how it will be appropriate to make inheritable changes to human beings currently lie in the hands of scientists. Although ethics are repeatedly invoked, the most prominent condemnations of He’s actions don’t actually address whether it’s ethical to tinker with human life through gene editing. A largely ignored part of the story are the five “draft ethical principles” of He’s lab at the Southern University of Science and Technology of China. If the outcry from scientists was truly about ethics, we would be seeing a discussion of the relative merits of He’s ethical principles, engagement with their content, and perhaps an exploration of how to jointly achieve a better set of operating principles. Instead, the ethics of using CRISPR for germline gene editing have apparently been determined and settled among scientists, closing down a meaningful debate about the limits and opportunities of genetic engineering.

    In this sense, the values that will guide whether and how human life is transformed appear to be off the table for public deliberation. Reactions to He’s announcement reveal instead anxiety on the part of the scientific community about “knee-jerk” regulations that would make it more difficult to do gene-editing research, not to mention damage to the public’s trust in gene editing. Scientists articulated more concern about maintaining their authority to unilaterally transform human biology than a willingness to have a public debate about the ethics of whether — and under what conditions — such transformation should take place.

    Instead of sparking debate, the invocation of ethics has played a central role in persuading the public and policy makers that scientists are able to responsibly foresee and manage the social implications of emerging technologies on behalf of the public good. How such a delegation of ethics can end up harming the public is exemplified in the digital domain, with Cambridge Analytica being just the latest in a series of instances of data misuse and privacy breaches.

    Rather than being seen as an anomaly, He’s actions should be a reminder of the tensions routinely produced by our long-standing culture of scientific self-governance. There is little preventing other scientists from doing something similar to He’s CRISPR shocker. Headlines declaring of scientists “Now, the moment they feared may have come” and remarks that the “genie is out of the bottle” suggest a general feeling of inevitability, that no one could really avoid such a step from being taken at some point.

    In an interview with Science magazine, leading biologist George Church described himself as one of the contributors to reports calling for a voluntary international moratorium on gene editing for human reproduction. Yet in defending He, Church argued that a moratorium “is not a permanent ban forever.” Instead, any proposed moratorium can be seen as a checklist for what scientists think should happen before technological advance proceeds.

    The performance of scientists dutifully following such a checklist offers the image of careful deliberation and effective self-governance, though it really accomplishes little more than a delay on the march toward inheritable gene editing in humans. The current consensus among scientists regarding CRISPR ethics presents gene editing as a technology of last resort, but nevertheless one worth pursuing under the right conditions.

    Without true public discourse that includes an array of other stakeholders, scientists are in the position of imposing their own values and judgements about when and why to genetically engineer humans. These values address only the (presumably always advancing) frontiers of science: they concentrate on the ethical rules of where, how and when the first case of genetic modification in humans should take place. They don’t consider whether it should take place at all, or how to deal with subsequent uses and future consequences of such technological capacities once they are the purview of the market and not of scientific ethics. In this sense, current CRISPR ethics operate in a narrow mode of scientific enablement, shirking responsibility for the human futures they seek to alter.

    As Ben Hurlbut, a colleague of ours at Arizona State University, wrote in Nature, “He appropriated responsibility for a decision that belongs to all of us” — not just to the scientific community (Hurlbut met He in 2017 and has since corresponded with him about the ethics of genome editing). The ethical performance of ticking the boxes and finding the right conditions for the first case of inheritable human gene editing effectively bypasses key questions of public concern, most notably whether editing the human genome is desirable, how that decision should be made, and by whom. Reactions to He’s news have largely ignored suggestions for opening the discussion to a wider range of voices, such as the call for a global observatory for gene editing. Such an international deliberative body that gathers individuals across disciplines and civil society organizations and also provides opportunity for public input would be a first step towards meaningfully addressing the ethics of gene editing.

    What the He case should draw our attention to are the troubling politics of who is authorized to decide the path forward for fundamentally altering human life, and on what basis. Those who have framed the prevailing response to He’s work have a strong interest in maintaining their high ethical ground. Public discussion led by scientists and bioethicists continues to validate scientific experts as the rightful arbiters of scientific and technological ethics and delegates decision making to those sitting in the driver’s seat of genetic research and development. Yet broadening the range of voices in the discussion is fundamental for defining a future with gene editing that is desirable for all of us.

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    New documents suggest Chinese government helped fund the CRISPR babies experiment

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/26/1...science-health

    Feb 26, 2019

    The Chinese government might have provided funding that was used in a controversial project to genetically edit babies, according to documents obtained by STAT. Though it’s unclear whether government officials were paying close attention to how the money was used, the documents contradict China’s narrative of scientist He Jiankui as a rebel who acted alone and against the wishes of higher-ups.

    Back in November, He Jiankui announced at a conference in Hong Kong that he had genetically edited twin girls using the CRISPR tool to make them more resistant to HIV. The international scientific community quickly condemned the actions, saying that not only was it ethically wrong, the editing itself was sloppy and may not have worked. At the time, the Chinese government also swiftly denounced He and started an investigation that painted an image of a lone scientist who “defied government bans in pursuit of personal fame and gain.”

    But the documents obtained by STAT show that He’s research project could have been funded in part by his former workplace, the science and technology branches of both the local Shenzhen government and greater China. However, the funding may have been for previous projects, and other scientists interviewed said that it was possible He pretended to have government funding for credibility.

    STAT reported that the science ministry issued a statement in response to the documents, claiming “it did not fund He’s activities of human genome editing.”

    Though Chinese researchers feared that He’s experiment has stained the country’s scientific reputation, these new documents don’t necessarily mean that China’s credibility has been damaged anew, says Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at New York University. Caplan thinks it’s likely there was some initial level of approval, especially because China doesn’t have an explicit ban on genetically engineering embryos and that kind of research doesn’t trigger the same moral red flags as it does in the US or other countries with strong right-to-life movements. But since then, “the Chinese government has backed away and made it clear they don’t want to go outside the rules in this area,” he says.

    “It’s part of the overall issue of bringing China into the international standards for research ethics,” Caplan adds. “But I think China will want to do that. They want to be a major player and they want to be trusted. They have the science, there’s no reason to be moral buccaneers.”

    Of course, the international science community is still rushing to figure out how to prevent these experiments from happening again. China’s former vice minister of health Huang Jiefu suggested that the country should establish an organization to oversee biomedical experiments and the World Health Organization, for example, has formed a committee to look into guidelines for editing babies.

    Caplan has a few suggestions to add to the mix. First, he says, every scientist who hears about this kind of project should report it to their research institutions and possibly the National Institutes of Health. (As other reporting has shown, plenty of US researchers were at least aware of He’s experiment before it was made public in November.) Second, media exclusives shouldn’t be granted for research of this magnitude, and any announcement needs to be accompanied by a paper with data.

    In the meanwhile, plenty of questions remain about what’s next for He and his career and how the twins will fare. He also admitted to editing other embryos that were implanted into women, and it’s unclear when those babies will be born. China is receiving all the attention now, but another question is where else CRISPR babies might be born. The legal landscape is still uncertain, and bioethicist Tetsuya Ishii of Hokkaido University told Nature that there are clinics in Israel, Russia, and Spain that have lax policies on gene editing. “There are so many candidates,” he says.

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    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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