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    A New Moral Imagination on Immigration

    A New Moral Imagination on Immigration
    By [Rep] Pramila Jayapal - December 3, 2018

    When my parents used all their savings to send me across the oceans from India at the age of sixteen, they made the ultimate sacrifice of separating from their child without knowing if we would ever live on the same continent again. They did so because they believed America was where I would get the best education and have the most opportunity. It took me seventeen years—involving an alphabet soup of visas and the abiding fear that I might not be able to stay in my new home—to get my US citizenship, in 2000.
    ...
    Just a year later, in the wake of September 11, I went on to found and lead what became the largest immigrant advocacy organization in Washington state. We organized tens of thousands of immigrants, faith leaders, labor unions, and businesses, engaging in a national conversation on immigration, identity, and the need to reform our outdated laws.
    ...
    It wasn’t until 1965 that the national-origin quota system was abolished and replaced with a system whereby immigrants were admitted on the basis of relationships to immediate family members or employers. The last major overhaul of the immigration system to increase legal admissions caps, in 1990, focused largely on employment-based visas.
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    As America grows and ages, our economy needs immigrants to replenish America’s work force as baby-boomers age.
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    There is also still bipartisan consensus that we must fulfill our moral and legal obligations (under US and international law) to take asylum seekers and refugees from around the world. ...and leaders from all faiths (including evangelicals) have emphasized the need to strengthen, not cut, our refugee resettlement program.
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    An accountable, transparent, and humane plan of enforcement against both employers and employees who continue to break the law is vital, but it’s important to note that with an underlying system of laws that actually works and meets the needs of our economy, we will dramatically reduce the need for enforcement.
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    We should sing strongly the benefits of family immigration, which has been the bedrock of the US system since its founding—bringing us strivers of all kinds to fill jobs at every skill level. Family connections have also provided the essential support that immigrants need in order to integrate and become self-sufficient more quickly, contributing to the economy through their work, taxes, and civic contributions—think of grandparents taking care of grandchildren while parents work or of children taking care of aging parents. Those closest relatives who come in through the family-based system bring great benefits—to their families and to our economy—and their applications should be processed immediately.
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    Finally, we must recognize our strong national interest in development, diplomacy, and the protection of human rights around the world. ... The logical, cost-effective way to address the root causes of migration is to focus our efforts on building equitable economies and rights in countries that send the biggest flows of people to America.
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    And in spite of the rhetoric and the cruel policies of Trump and other Republicans, Americans do not actually believe that immigration is some unspeakable “third-rail” of American politics. In fact, in the history of public polling, immigration has never been more popular.
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    More: https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/1...n-immigration/
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 12-05-2018 at 04:20 PM.
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    Progressive leader Rep. Jayapal joins asylum seekers at border
    RACHAEL BADE - 12/01/2018

    House Progressive leader Pramila Jayapal will join a "caravan" of migrants seeking asylum as they try to enter the United States from Tijuana on Saturday afternoon — an attempt to spotlight what Democrats view as the inhumane effects of President Donald Trump’s border crackdown.

    The Washington Democrat, a rising star in the House Democratic Caucus, flew to the border Friday and is gathering information on the treatment of migrants from Central America by both Mexican and U.S. authorities. In the afternoon she will follow a group of migrants trying to claim asylum to ensure they’re getting a fair shake, she said.
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    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...aravan-1037134
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Progressive House Dem pushes for vote on 'Medicare for all' bill
    Peter Sullivan - 11/13/18

    Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.), a top progressive Democrat in the House, on Tuesday called for hearings and a vote on "Medicare for all" legislation now that her party has taken back the House.

    “We are going to be pushing for it to get a hearing ... to have this debate on the floor,” Jayapal said on an organizing call with the National Nurses United union on Tuesday night.

    Jayapal, who is co-chair of the Medicare for All Caucus in the House, said it is not enough for Democrats to just say they are cosponsors of Medicare for all. Now that Democrats have won back the House, she said, “when we have that majority we need to make sure that we put it to use.”
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    More: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...e-for-all-bill
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    From another thread, and as a comment on the motivations of this new Congresswoman:

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    ...there is always an agenda, often hidden. Everyone has a vested interest in their position. They believe it will benefit them in some way. Even those who want a moratorium on immigration want that because they believe it is in their best interest, although they tend to be the most open and honest about their agenda.

    Businesses (and GOP) want cheap and pliable labor. Democrats want voters and new people who will depend upon them and government for support. Many people want to bring over more of their family or what they think of as “their people”. Others with vested interests consider themselves global in nature. Religious and political groups are the biggest in that category. Religions don’t want borders that will hinder the expansion of their religion. They believe that new immigrants are ripe for conversion, especially if they are aided in their immigration. Political ideologies, like religious ones, also want to convert, and being global in nature, they often want to convert foreign lands to their ideology, often by force.

    Look to the hidden agenda...
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    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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    [sic] Finally, we must recognize our strong national interest in development, diplomacy, and the protection of human rights around the world. ... The logical, cost-effective way to address the root causes of migration is to focus our efforts on building equitable economies and rights in countries that send the biggest flows of people to America.

    Thus, helping drive our foreign policy into entangling politics into other people's business where it doesn't belong.
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    In fact, in the history of public polling, immigration has never been more popular
    Maybe more popular than ever. But, certainly not popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Progressive House Dem pushes for vote on 'Medicare for all' bill
    Peter Sullivan - 11/13/18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    [sic]
    Finally, we must recognize our strong national interest in development, diplomacy, and the protection of human rights around the world. ... The logical, cost-effective way to address the root causes of migration is to focus our efforts on building equitable economies and rights in countries that send the biggest flows of people to America.
    Thus, helping drive our foreign policy into entangling politics into other people's business where it doesn't belong.
    Foreign policy? Other people’s business? These are strange, obsolete terms, comrade. For the Comintern, there shall be no borders, no nations, and most importantly, no personal or “other people’s” business.
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    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Foreign policy? Other people’s business? These are strange, obsolete terms, comrade. For the Comintern, there shall be no borders, no nations, and most importantly, no personal or “other people’s” business.
    Yes, comrade. We need to elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and be re-educated so this country can go full retard.

    Capitalism has not always existed in the world and will not always exist in the world. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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    A New Moral Imagination on Immigration
    OK...how's this:

    $#@! off back to wherever you came from.

    Get the $#@! out of my country.

    There's a "new imagination".

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    It wasn’t until 1965 that the national-origin quota system was abolished
    Well, Ted Kennedy and the rest of the mob said they were going to change the face of the nation.

    They have succeeded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    OK...how's this:

    $#@! off back to wherever you came from.

    Get the $#@! out of my country.

    There's a "new imagination".
    The longer this goes on the more extreme the reaction will be, then the fighting will start and one side or the other will win.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The longer this goes on the more extreme the reaction will be, then the fighting will start and one side or the other will win.
    Nah, never happen.

    Granted, my reaction grows more extreme every day, as the invaders get more bold and their goals become more clear and more extreme.

    But there's not going to be a fight of any kind.

    In twenty years people like me will be dead.

    You're younger, so you may still be here...but you'll part of an even smaller hated minority.

    Eventually every trace of what was will be washed away, absorbed and drowned in a wave of polyglot flotsam humanity.

    That includes the self loathing Quislings and idiot collaborators.

    In fact, they'll be the first to get lined up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Nah, never happen.

    Granted, my reaction grows more extreme every day, as the invaders get more bold and their goals become more clear and more extreme.

    But there's not going to be a fight of any kind.

    In twenty years people like me will be dead.

    You're younger, so you may still be here...but you'll part of an even smaller hated minority.

    Eventually every trace of what was will be washed away, absorbed and drowned in a wave of polyglot flotsam humanity.

    That includes the self loathing Quislings and idiot collaborators.

    In fact, they'll be the first to get lined up.
    I don't believe that, there are an awful lot of people who aren't committed to one side of the issue or the other and as things get worse they will join our side out of self defense.

    It will happen in Europe first because they are farther along the path than we are, they may be even more infected with liberalism than the US but the instinct to survive will kick in and it will make the Yellow Vest protests look like a picnic.

    The election of Trump is proof that Americans are beginning to awake to the danger at an earlier stage than Europe and therefore we have chance for a milder reaction, I don't believe that Europe will be able to avoid a massive genocidal overreaction.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    @devil21
    Let's move our conversation to this thread so we don't derail the other one.

    You seem to genuinely oppose the Pope and the Jesuits so you need to ask yourself why you are on the same side as the Jesuit Pope when it comes to open borders.
    The Jesuits have been spreading socialism/communism disguised as Catholicism for a very long time in Latin America and now they want to use the cultures that they have radicalized to conquer America.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    @devil21
    Let's move our conversation to this thread so we don't derail the other one.

    You seem to genuinely oppose the Pope and the Jesuits so you need to ask yourself why you are on the same side as the Jesuit Pope when it comes to open borders.
    The Jesuits have been spreading socialism/communism disguised as Catholicism for a very long time in Latin America and now they want to use the cultures that they have radicalized to conquer America.
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    So you're just going to keep doubling down on wrong, huh. If by "culturally" you mean small villages of people helping each other survive under poor economic conditions then sure I guess that qualifies. Terrible $#@!, that type of existence is! Can't have any of that mess coming here, can we?
    By culturally socialist/communist I mean that they believe and promote the idea that the rich should be robbed to give to the poor, their belief in that eventually created the mess that Mexico and most S. American countries are today.



    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    So you're right back to the notion that it's immigrants that cause big government, not the pre-existing big government expanding due to more immigration? I should also add that it wasn't immigrants that demanded the Social Security program, for example, it was the bankers that controlled the executive branch that demanded it. You always seem to give the bankers a pass and blame the little guy whenever you can.
    Both are part of the problem and I blame the banksters with frequency.
    The banksters want open borders and uncontrolled immigration, that puts YOU on their side.



    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I've never heard someone rail against communism as much as you do. Are you sure you're not a Jesuit? Most of your posting habits would make a lot more sense if you are.
    No, the Jesuits have been in bed with the Communists for a very long time, the Jesuit Pope is pushing open borders and I am opposing him.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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