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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Nonsense.

    Not only are you judging me unjustly but this whole discussion started about the very principle of helping yourself at all.
    No,, The OP supposition that attitude is more important than fact.. (only in the mind of a Narcissist)

    You posted a FALSE statement that God helps those who help themselves..

    It is false and you are too blind to see it...
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  3. #32
    But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    No,, The OP supposition that attitude is more important than fact.. (only in the mind of a Narcissist)
    I said our discussion not the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    You posted a FALSE statement that God helps those who help themselves..

    It is false and you are too blind to see it...
    It is true and you are too blind to see it.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post



    It is true and you are too blind to see it.
    No it is NOT,, It is a Quote from Poor Richards Almanac.

    and it is not true

    There is a Promise in scripture.. That He will Bless what you put your hand to in faith..

    The LORD will cause the enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you. They will march out against you in one direction but flee from you in seven. The LORD will decree a blessing on your barns and on everything to which you put your hand; the LORD your God will bless you in the land He is giving you. The LORD will establish you as His holy people, just as He has sworn to you, if you keep the commandments of the LORD your God and walk in His ways.
    But it has nothing to do with SELF...
    It is God's Promise to those that SERVE

    Give generously to them and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 12-06-2018 at 12:57 AM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    No it is NOT,, It is a Quote from Poor Richards Almanac.

    and it is not true

    There is a Promise in scripture.. That He will Bless what you put your hand to in faith..



    But it has nothing to do with SELF...
    It is God's Promise to those that SERVE
    It is predicated on helping yourself:
    to which you put your hand
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is predicated on helping yourself:
    Whoooosh!!!
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Whoooosh!!!
    WHOOOOOOOSH!!!!! yourself.

    If you put your hand to something you are helping yourself and then the LORD will help you.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Whoooosh!!!

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It is predicated on helping yourself:
    Wrong again,, BUT IT IS NO WONDER YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.
    The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and snared. They have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom do they really have?
    He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are
    It is based on Helping others,,

    We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
    That promise is to those who serve.. It is based in Selflessness..

    just the very opposite of what you suggest..

    Wealth is gained by giving freely.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 12-06-2018 at 02:38 PM.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Wrong again,, BUT IT IS NO WONDER YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.



    It is based on Helping others,,



    That promise it to those who serve.. It is based in Selflessness..

    just the very opposite of what you suggest..

    Wealth is gained by giving freely.
    You must do both and we aren't just talking about wealth.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You must do both and we aren't just talking about wealth.
    And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment.
    You can not understand. But someone might.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    How do we distinguish between the two?
    I think its important to consider the ideas we have might be wrong. Its most useful when adopting new ideas. When compared to someone deep in delusion on ANY subject, they make $#@! up to suit their view of the subject instead of looking at the facts to determine if the idea is right or wrong. In the delusional mind, they are already right, and just need to prove they are. For example, the moon is made of cheese. Cant you tell by the holes in the moon cheese?
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    I don't see how that is relevant but I don't believe in debtors prison and you can help people without letting them in to take over your country and trample you rights.
    Truth:

    Christ never advocated "barrier walls". He understood force/theft by government/those in power. He advocated self-responsibility and to help others "voluntarily". He advocated repenting and forgiveness. Christ was indeed a libertarian. In no way, shape or form was he a statist.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  17. #44
    Galileo discovered the truth of that, when he presented people like Swordshyll with a fact that gave them an attitude. He was lucky to get off with house arrest the last eight-nine years of his life.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Only Q or a civil war will save us

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Truth:

    Christ never advocated "barrier walls". He understood force/theft by government/those in power. He advocated self-responsibility and to help others "voluntarily". He advocated repenting and forgiveness. Christ was indeed a libertarian. In no way, shape or form was he a statist.
    John 10:1

    “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.”

    King James Version (KJV)
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    John 10:1

    “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.”

    King James Version (KJV)
    I know,, I was in a cage for robbing banks when I met Him.

    and I knew real freedom. Not from the cage,, but in the cage..
    I walked the Main yard as a free man protected my God's Angels.

    The release of Liability is in my files. I had to indemnify the Department of Corrections in order to walk free inside.
    In my files.. and they are a good read for those that have access.


    I understand Thieves.
    I understand Walls.
    I understand Liberty.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I know,, I was in a cage for robbing banks when I met Him.

    and I knew real freedom. Not from the cage,, but in the cage..
    I walked the Main yard as a free man protected my God's Angels.

    The release of Liability is in my files. I had to indemnify the Department of Corrections in order to walk free inside.
    In my files.. and they are a good read for those that have access.


    I understand Thieves.
    I understand Walls.
    I understand Liberty.
    Heaven has a wall and harsh immigration controls.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Heaven has a wall and harsh immigration controls.
    Open Door

    Narrow path
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Open Door

    Narrow path
    GOD can read minds, we don't have that luxury.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Heaven has a wall and harsh immigration controls.
    No Property Rights up there? Hell I ain’t going!
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No Property Rights up there?
    Why would you say that?

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Hell I ain’t going!
    Suit yourself.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Why would you say that?
    With a wall up there I figured there’d be no need. Now that you got me thinking about it, I’ll bet it’s all unicorns and socialism up there. I wonder what Purgatory is like, maybe I’ll be happier over there
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    With a wall up there I figured there’d be no need.
    How would a wall make property rights unnecessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Now that you got me thinking about it, I’ll bet it’s all unicorns and socialism up there.
    I see no reason to believe that, the parable of the talents would seem to be sufficient evidence that people who work harder are allowed to reap a greater reward.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I wonder what Purgatory is like, maybe I’ll be happier over there
    Suit yourself.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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