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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    @Brian4Liberty

    Can I change the title to Lord of the Forums? I just think it's more catchy.
    Let me hand my ring of power to you and you can...
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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Let me hand my ring of power to you and you can...


    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Frodo couldn't be trusted, he had to have his finger bitten off.
    Pipe down, Boromir. He's still better than the rest of us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  5. #64
    I don't know enough about the LOTR series to even guess who I'd be.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Pipe down, Boromir. He's still better than the rest of us.
    I was suggesting that Occam's Banana deserves a better character NOT that he couldn't be trusted.

    In spite of those issues on which we disagree I like Occam's.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    LOL a really tall dwarf.
    It's not just about looks, it's about attitude. I think you would be a Bilbo.

    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    While I definitely am a fan of Tolkien's overall message, I read The Hobbit in HS and found reading it to be a real chore, so I never read any of the others. Saw the movies once each but am not even close to familiar enough with them to figure who I might best be represented by. Maybe I'll give the movies another watch and try carving through the books again to see if time has changed my perspective.
    This may help. According to this chart, I'm an Arwen. I don't remember her doing much in the books besides giving up immortality to marry Aragorn. I liked her in the movie version, though.








    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Paul View Post
    The intellectual battle for liberty can appear to be a lonely one at times. However, the numbers are not as important as the principles that we hold. Leonard Read always taught that "it's not a numbers game, but an ideological game." That's why it's important to continue to provide a principled philosophy as to what the role of government ought to be, despite the numbers that stare us in the face.
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Because I advocate for the end of big government and I don't go around using it against people who don't use it against me first.

    You may believe what you wish about me but I follow my beliefs even when they don't personally benefit me.
    Just because you identify as Sam doesn't mean you are, Boromir.
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    Not going to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I missed out on the dick pills , they any good ?

  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Just because you identify as Sam doesn't mean you are, Boromir.
    Just because you call me Boromir doesn't make it so.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by otherone View Post
    I'm Boba Fett.

    I see Hallmark had Boba Fett ornaments this year
    Do something Danke

  12. #70
    Depending on the day and mood, Gandalf or Elrond.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  13. #71
    Years back playing D&D I was a Half Elf,half hobbit Thief. Chaotic Good..

    edit,
    One who did not survive a Balrog.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Years back playing D&D I was a Half Elf,half hobbit Thief. Chaotic Good..
    Then Bilbo sounds about right.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post

    This may help. According to this chart, I'm an Arwen. I don't remember her doing much in the books besides giving up immortality to marry Aragorn. I liked her in the movie version, though.
    Your chart is clearly wrong. Gandalf didn't ride an oliphant.
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

  17. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Just because you call me Boromir doesn't make it so.
    Yes it does.
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    Not going to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I missed out on the dick pills , they any good ?

  18. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Why should I believe you would act differently as a government official? It has been my experience (with every few exceptions) that becoming a government official brings out the worst in people.
    Since we're talking literature, there is an appropriate quote...

    When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.


  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Origanalist View Post
    Yes it does.
    LOL
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Since we're talking literature, there is an appropriate quote...
    That may be how you think but it's not how I think, I have often chosen the right thing even though it was personally disadvantageous.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

  21. #78
    I've only actually watched the old 70's cartoon versions.
    My character changes depending on the day.
    I'm feeling a bit "Balrog"-ey enduring all this gross and bizarre GHWB-worship everywhere you look.

    There is only one kind of freedom and that's individual liberty. Our lives come from our creator
    and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it. -Ron Paul

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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    That may be how you think but it's not how I think, I have often chosen the right thing even though it was personally disadvantageous.
    Of course; as a statist, you wish for government to do things on your behalf that you are - for reasons we can speculate upon - unwilling or unable to do yourself. In this regard, calling you Boromir is inaccurate, because Boromir would have taken the ring himself and attempted to win the last battle himself.

    Let's be honest, you aren't in line to charge the Black Gate.

    There is a more apt character who could not or would not take action on his own, but needed others to act for him:

    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump hasn't even been in 6 months, you can't call him a boondoggle President unless he has overseen a military boondoggle for at least a year or two.


  23. #80
    Well, after studying the chart, Gandalf actually comes the closest... less the wizard stuff... maybe a cross between him & Jerry Garcia.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows



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  25. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Suzanimal View Post
    Who do you think you are in LOTR?
    Who I like to imagine I would be: Gandalf.

    Who I probably would actually be: Nob.

    Nob was the hobbit porter who worked for Barliman Butterbur at the Prancing Pony inn in Bree ...

    "These black men," said [Butterbur ...] "They're looking for Baggins, and if they mean well, then I'm a hobbit [...] Nob, he came and told me that two black men were at the door asking for a hobbit called Baggins. Nob's hair was all stood on end." -- The Fellowship of the Ring, LotR Book 1, Ch 10, Strider

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    I don't know enough about the LOTR series to even guess who I'd be.
    You aren't missing much, the books and the movies all sucked.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    You aren't missing much, the books and the movies all sucked.
    I enjoyed The Hobbit. It's well-written, engaging, and a nice stand-alone read. But, no, I didn't enjoy it enough to tackle the trilogy afterward.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-05-2018 at 02:14 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.

  28. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    You aren't missing much, the books and the movies all sucked.
    Not enough specs in them for you?
    "The Patriarch"

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post

    Not going to happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    The man did not think clearly. It was almost as if he had brain cancer of something.
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I missed out on the dick pills , they any good ?

  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Of course; as a statist, you wish for government to do things on your behalf that you are - for reasons we can speculate upon - unwilling or unable to do yourself. In this regard, calling you Boromir is inaccurate, because Boromir would have taken the ring himself and attempted to win the last battle himself.

    Let's be honest, you aren't in line to charge the Black Gate.

    There is a more apt character who could not or would not take action on his own, but needed others to act for him:

    Normal people do things themselves and rely on specialists that they hire to do other things.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The One Ring is tyrannical power.

    The other rings (which were created first but bizarrely lose their power when the One Ring is destroyed) are ordinary power (although some of them were supposed to have been corrupted somehow) which can be used for good purposes.
    This is how you know SS has never read the books. The whole point of the other rings is that they CANNOT be used at all without being corrupted by them and been turned into slaves of the Dark Lord.

    The three Elven rings are never used because the bearers know if they do use them Sauron will have control over them. This is why Gandalf never uses the Elven ring he has.

    The seven Dwarven rings corrupt their rulers, turning their natural drive to better everything around them into a twisted greed for all wealth that leads to the destruction of their kingdoms.

    The nine Human rings transform the human kings into the undead Ringwraiths.

    And of course the One Ring rules them all, meaning all the rings of power. This was Sauron's plan all along, which is why he helped design the rings of power.

    It also tells us the truth about all power. It is why there has never been a minarchist state. The drive of all power is to gain more power. Tolkien is teaching the same lesson Orwell is when he wrote:

    “Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.”
    The little rings -"minarchist power"- are really just all parts of the one ring -tyrannical power- and the former always leads to the latter. The ultimate outcome of power is the accumulation of more power. And those who most wish to use it, those who protest their innocence and purity of motives, are the ones who are most dangerous with power. Note that Sauron convinced the Elves to forge the rings of power in a visage of beauty and innocence.

    That you fail to understand the deadly nature of power and the way it corrupts all who use it is why Suz thinks you're Boromir. Like him you're ignorant and self-deceived about the nature of power and what it does to those who use it. The tyrannical never imagine themselves to be anything other than noble, pure, and good.

    I know otherwise, Wormtounge.

    You're not a noble but deceived fool like Boromir.

    You're a deceiver. A lying serpent set to twist words and give corrupt counsels in an effort to purposefully destroy liberty. Your words are sweet. Your actions are bitter ashes. And all focused on one goal: Power for your faction. To that cause there is no one you would not destroy, no lie you would not tell, no other cause you would not betray.
    Last edited by PierzStyx; 12-05-2018 at 04:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Normal people do things themselves and rely on specialists that they hire to do other things.
    You can easily keep people off your own land. That you want to rule the lands of others and tell them who they can and cannot allow upon them is the only reaosn you need "specialists" -i.e. black suited jackbooted thugs to hunt, beat, cage, and kill.

    We see through your lies, Worm.

  32. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    You're a deceiver. A lying serpent set to twist words and give corrupt counsels in an effort to purposefully destroy liberty. Your words are sweet. Your actions are bitter ashes. And all focused on one goal: Power for your faction. To that cause there is no one you would not destroy, no lie you would not tell, no other cause you would not betray.
    What was your first clue? The fact that he uses the reputation system to neg the hell out of people left and right?
    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    There's not a liberty lover on the planet who isn't called a liberal by the right, and a con by the left.



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  34. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by PierzStyx View Post
    This is how you know SS has never read the books. The whole point of the other rings is that they CANNOT be used at all without being corrupted by them and been turned into slaves of the Dark Lord.

    The three Elven rings are never used because the bearers know if they do use them Sauron will have control over them. This is why Gandalf never uses the Elven ring he has.

    The seven Dwarven rings corrupt their rulers, turning their natural drive to better everything around them into a twisted greed for all wealth that leads to the destruction of their kingdoms.

    The nine Human rings transform the human kings into the undead Ringwraiths.

    And of course the One Ring rules them all, meaning all the rings of power. This was Sauron's plan all along, which is why he helped design the rings of power.

    It also tells us the truth about all power. It is why there has never been a minarchist state. The drive of all power is to gain more power. Tolkien is teaching the same lesson Orwell is when he wrote:



    The little rings -"minarchist power"- are really just all parts of the one ring -tyrannical power- and the former always leads to the latter. The ultimate outcome of power is the accumulation of more power. And those who most wish to use it, those who protest their innocence and purity of motives, are the ones who are most dangerous with power. Note that Sauron convinced the Elves to forge the rings of power in a visage of beauty and innocence.

    That you fail to understand the deadly nature of power and the way it corrupts all who use it is why Suz thinks you're Boromir. Like him you're ignorant and self-deceived about the nature of power and what it does to those who use it. The tyrannical never imagine themselves to be anything other than noble, pure, and good.

    I know otherwise, Wormtounge.

    You're not a noble but deceived fool like Boromir.

    You're a deceiver. A lying serpent set to twist words and give corrupt counsels in an effort to purposefully destroy liberty. Your words are sweet. Your actions are bitter ashes. And all focused on one goal: Power for your faction. To that cause there is no one you would not destroy, no lie you would not tell, no other cause you would not betray.
    Galadriel uses her ring to protect her realm, the elves' rings aren't corrupted because Sauron never touched them.
    YOU are exposing your ignorance of the books, Tolkien was NOT an anarchist.
    Last edited by Swordsmyth; 12-05-2018 at 04:41 PM.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    What was your first clue? The fact that he uses the reputation system to neg the hell out of people left and right?
    That is a lie, almost all of my reps are green.

    But lies are your stock in trade.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankindÖitís people I canít stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

    A Zero Hedge comment

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