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    Black Sea Face Off: Is Ukraine Provoking War With Russia?

    Black Sea Face Off: Is Ukraine Provoking War With Russia?
    written by daniel mcadams - tuesday november 27, 2018

    Why does it seem like each time Presidents Trump and Putin look like they might start communicating there is a "crisis" that threatens war? Are the neocons manipulating things? The latest dust-up between Ukrainian gunships and the Russian military in the Kerch Strait comes just as Trump and Putin are set to meet on the sidelines of the upcoming G-20 Summit meeting. Coincidence? Tune in to today's Liberty Report.
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    Trump has cancelled the meeting.
    There is no spoon.

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    Single digit poll numbers? No problem. Provoke a war with Russia and declare martial law!

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    Martial law in Ukraine could be a death sentence for its democracy
    Maxim Eristavi - November 26

    This morning, I woke up with one thought in my head: The fate of democracy in my country may be decided by a vote over which I have no control. The Ukrainian president and parliament have just joined to pass legislation that could mark the beginning of the end of the democratic institutions for which so many have fought and died.

    The unprecedented declaration of martial law in Ukraine, the first since World War II, came just hours after Russian warships attacked Ukrainian naval vessels in the Sea of Azov, opening a dangerous new front in the continuing Russian-Ukrainian war.

    The bill that President Petro Poroshenko sent to parliament, and which lawmakers passed on Monday, gives the president wide-ranging powers, but Poroshenko assured the public that he wouldn’t use those powers to suppress civic freedoms. But are we all comfortable just taking his word for it?
    ...
    Ukraine’s fragile democracy may not survive it. Poroshenko suspended the election campaign for the first vote since the 2014 Maidan Revolution, which promised a peaceful change of power. Having lost all popular support (and bringing his polls down to historic lows), he has now awarded himself all-encompassing emergency powers.

    The Ukrainian government did not, in the past, resort to martial law during the more extreme episodes of Russian aggression. As bad as the current crisis is, it can hardly compete with the worst moments of the war, such as the annexation of Crimea or the Avdiivka offensive of 2017, during which tens of thousands faced the threat of death and starvation.

    We cannot entrust arbitrary powers to a president who has continued to make policy with the same oligarchs who have been running the country as their personal fiefdom over the last two decades. We cannot trust a president who systematically fails to guarantee protections for journalists, whistleblowers, civil society activists and minorities, and who still refuses to disclose the details of his recent meetings with Putin’s right-hand man in Ukraine, Viktor Medvedchuk.

    We also can’t ignore global experience. The history of other democracies’ flirtations with martial law contains two lessons: First, even allegedly “limited” emergency powers tend to prolong themselves. Second, unconsolidated democracies (such as Ukraine) rarely survive a leader’s assumption of such powers — just consider recent developments in Turkey, Thailand and the Philippines.

    Even if Ukrainian democracy survives the 30-day period of adopted martial law, it will still suffer severe damage. The interruption of the election campaign will undercut whatever legitimacy Poroshenko can still claim, since his unlimited powers will effectively give him a huge head start over his competitors. The law will cover almost half of Ukraine’s population of more than 44 million, creating countless opportunities for manipulation in key swing-vote regions. The president could, in theory, defuse this concern by promising not to run in 2019, an assurance that foreign allies of Ukraine might now want to demand.
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...its-democracy/
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    You won’t find this discussion by looking at Google news...

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    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate.” - B4L


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    Isnt it weird has Trump also falls for the same provocations as usual. We know he can ignore real(or imagined) criss cos we know exactly how he is handling the Saudi situation.

    Maybe, just maybe he himself is part of the problem.
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    My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

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    Daniel mentioned Ukraine signed a treaty with Russia 10 years ago agreeing that before entering the Kerch Strait, Ukraine vessels must first ask Russia permission to do so. I havent read anything about this treaty elsewhere.

    The real question is: According to maritime law, who is the rightful owner/controller of this strait? Did Russia control this strait prior to the annexation of Crimea in the 1990s and early 2000s?

    No one seems to be discussing these critical questions in the news.



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