Trump to announce gun control measures soon

[Matt Collins]

The Trump administration plans to announce the long-anticipated federal rule officially banning bump stocks in the coming days, according to US officials familiar with the matter.


President Donald Trump vowed to outlaw the devices soon after the tragedy, and some lawmakers on Capitol Hill urged him to back a permanent legislative fix.


At Trump's direction, however, the Justice Department submitted a proposed final rule earlier this year that upended the Obama-era interpretation, and concluded that bump-fire stocks, "slide-fire" devices, and devices with certain similar characteristics all fall within the prohibition on machine guns by allowing a "shooter of a semiautomatic firearm to initiate a continuous firing cycle with a single pull of the trigger," and therefore, they are illegal under federal law.


Under the new rule, bump stock owners would be required to destroy or surrender the devices to authorities. Members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks, according to a source familiar with the final rule.


"Bump stocks turn semiautomatic guns into illegal machine guns. This final rule sends a clear message: Illegal guns have no place in a law-and-order society, and we will continue to vigorously enforce the law to keep these illegal weapons off the street," a senior Justice Department official told CNN Wednesday.

SOURCE:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/28/polit...ban/index.html

[Swordsmyth]

It will never survive a court challenge.

[enhanced_deficit]

It will never survive a court challenge.

Courts are very political and shift views depending on political climate.


Bit off topic, will MAGA's stance on DACA survive court challenge?


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'Gun-grabber-in-chief': Conservatives turn on Trump as threat to confiscate guns prompts Second Amendment-related outrage

'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now'

[Swordsmyth]

Bit off topic, will MAGA's stance on DACA survive court challenge?

Trump's order to end DACA will be upheld even if it has to go to SCOTUS.

[TheTexan]

It will never survive a court challenge.

Why would this need to go court? It has nothing to do with hunting or target shooting, so it's not like it's a 2nd amendment issue.

[enhanced_deficit]

Trump's order to end DACA will be upheld even if it has to go to SCOTUS.

Do you agree or disagree with these conservatives views on this? Or in un-decided/"don't know" or he's better than Hillary column?

'Gun-grabber-in-chief': Conservatives turn on Trump as threat to confiscate guns prompts Second Amendment-related outrage
'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now'

[Swordsmyth]

Do you agree or disagree with these conservatives views on this? Or in un-decided/"don't know" or he's better than Hillary column?

'Gun-grabber-in-chief': Conservatives turn on Trump as threat to confiscate guns prompts Second Amendment-related outrage
'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now'

I believe he was conducting damage control, I however completely disagree with his tactics, I think they were unnecessary and did more harm than good.

[RonZeplin]

Courts are very political and shift views depending on political climate.


Bit off topic, will MAGA's stance on DACA survive court challenge?

The courts can't force the chief executive to do his job, enforce immigration law, and deport illegal aliens, DACA or otherwise. Sanctuary Nation USA will continue, unless congress impeaches and removes the scofflaw Republican & Democrat presidents.

Congress will pass Jeb! Trump's Bill of Love amnesty soon, spurring a new wave of illegal invaders to do the jobs that the newly minted "Americans" won't. It's a remake of Reconquista Ronnie Reagan's 1984 amnesty. Seen that movie, doesn't turn out well for the gringos.

[Swordsmyth]

The courts can't force the chief executive to do his job, enforce immigration law, and deport illegal aliens, DACA or otherwise. Sanctuary Nation USA will continue, unless congress impeaches and removes the scofflaw Republican & Democrat presidents.

Congress will pass Jeb! Trump's Bill of Love amnesty soon, spurring a new wave of illegal invaders to do the jobs that the newly minted "Americans" won't. It's a remake of Reconquista Ronnie Reagan's 1984 amnesty. Seen that movie, doesn't turn out well for the gringos.

Trump is the strongest POTUS on the border that we have had in a long time and he is getting stronger, he can't just defy the courts or he will be impeached.

[Origanalist]

The courts can't force the chief executive to do his job, enforce immigration law, and deport illegal aliens, DACA or otherwise. Sanctuary Nation USA will continue, unless congress impeaches and removes the scofflaw Republican & Democrat presidents.

Congress will pass Jeb! Trump's Bill of Love amnesty soon, spurring a new wave of illegal invaders to do the jobs that the newly minted "Americans" won't. It's a remake of Reconquista Ronnie Reagan's 1984 amnesty. Seen that movie, doesn't turn out well for the gringos.

Aye, I've seen it too. And the remakes.

[Origanalist]

I believe he was conducting damage control, I however completely disagree with his tactics, I think they were unnecessary and did more harm than good.

You sure believe a lot of stuff with evidence to the contrary. Damage control? Really?

[Matt Collins]

It will never survive a court challenge.

The courts just make stuff up.

You do remember there was an actual assault weapons ban in the 90's right?

[Matt Collins]

Why would this need to go court? It has nothing to do with hunting or target shooting, so it's not like it's a 2nd amendment issue.

I really hope this is sarcasm.

[Anti Federalist]

CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.”

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.

[Swordsmyth]

The courts just make stuff up.

You do remember there was an actual assault weapons ban in the 90's right?

A law, not a regulation that the BATFE already said it didn't have the authority to make.

[Swordsmyth]

CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.”

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.

I'm absolutely against it but if that is true the extremity will ensure that it doesn't survive a court challenge.

[dannno]

You sure believe a lot of stuff with evidence to the contrary. Damage control? Really?

You need evidence that damage control was necessary after the Florida school shooting and the Vegas massacre??

Wow.

[PAF]

CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.”

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.

AF, though you’d be done with him, I’m not seeing the need for bold... it implies that “with compensation” it wouldn’t be so bad...

[CCTelander]

CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.”

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.

Trump proposed this in the beginning. He supported it all along. He instructed his AG to get it done. Now it's coming to fruition. There is absolutely no rational reason to doubt its veracity. He's been absolutely consistent on this right from the start. To trust Trump to protect one's 2nd Amendment rights is to be dangerously naive.

[Origanalist]

You need evidence that damage control was necessary after the Florida school shooting and the Vegas massacre??

Wow.

Wow, do you seriously expect me to believe that bull$#@!? What the hell afe you smoking these days, Trumpcrack?

[dannno]

Wow, do you seriously expect me to believe that bull$#@!? What the hell afe you smoking these days, Trumpcrack?

I didn't say it's true, I believe it probably is, I just said there is plenty of evidence that damage control was needed after the shootings.

[TheTexan]

CNN reports that Trump is now preparing to sign the ban and it will outlaw the firearm accessories without a grandfathering option. CNN quotes a source that indicates “members of the public will be given 90 days to turn in or otherwise discard their bump stocks.”

That's interesting.

A ban on a previously legal item, that now must be surrendered or destroyed without compensation.

If this turns out to be true, even my mild endorsements of this guy are done with.

Would it be much better if they paid you for it?

Or would you rather that newly manufactured bump stocks be illegal, and existing bump stocks be taxed, stamped, registered, and tracked?

I'm sure either choice can be negotiated, if you call your congressmen hard enough.

[TheTexan]

I'm absolutely against it but if that is true the extremity will ensure that it doesn't survive a court challenge.

Banning bump stocks is "extreme" and won't survive a court challenge

[Swordsmyth]

Banning bump stocks is "extreme" and won't survive a court challenge

Doing it without grandfathering or compensation is extreme and won't survive a court challenge.

[TheTexan]

Doing it without grandfathering or compensation is extreme and won't survive a court challenge.

I have every confidence that bump stocks will be grandfathered in, provided that they were manufactured prior to 1968's Title II revision to the NFA, and that the owner of said bump stock had registered the device and paid the appropriate taxes.

Then they can keep it no problem.

[Slave Mentality]

Government 100% created the bump stock market. Now they want to protect the MAGA by banning them and instantly creating criminals that can be caged. Seems reasonable to me and my future Citizen Score!

I will say that I am beginning to sense a pattern though.

[Origanalist]

[Origanalist]

[Intoxiklown]

I've been waiting for this ever since I read the proposed regulations:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...tocks-quot-POS

And as far as the "it will never stand in court" excuse? Exactly wtf does that have to do with the fact that Trump showed his progressive anti-gun side that anyone who is half ass objective knew was there?

[CCTelander]

I've been waiting for this ever since I read the proposed regulations:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...tocks-quot-POS

And as far as the "it will never stand in court" excuse? Exactly wtf does that have to do with the fact that Trump showed his progressive anti-gun side that anyone who is half ass objective knew was there?

It has nothing at all to do with it. But it does serve as a handy red herring to divert attention away from it.