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    Thumbs up In Historic Move, Sen. Rand Paul Places Hold on $38 Billion to Israel

    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who has a history of being skeptical about U.S. taxpayer funds going towards the Jewish state, has placed a hold on the U.S.-Israel Security Assistance Authorization Act of 2018, which provides Israel with $38 billion in military aid over the next decade.
    This has caused backlash from organizations such as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
    “This bipartisan legislation authorizes full funding of security assistance to ensure Israel has the means to defend itself,” AIPAC posted on Facebook with a link to “urge Sen. Paul to stop blocking aid to Israel.”
    “We are working hard to gain a final vote on this critical legislation,” AIPAC spokesperson Marshall Wittmann told JNS. “We believe that it will be enacted before Congress adjourns for the year.”
    A hold is a procedure where a senator tells his or her floor leader that he or she does not want a specific measure to reach the floor for consideration, and therefore may filibuster any motion to proceed to debate the bill or other measure.
    However, in this case, Majority Leader and fellow Kentucky Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell does not have to abide by Paul’s request.
    Paul’s office did not respond to a request for comment.
    The Senate and House of Representatives passed a version each in August and September, respectively. The former must pass its final version before U.S. President Donald Trump can sign it into law.


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    AIPAC can send their own money.
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    AIPAC can send their own money.
    It’s an issue of ROI. Spend millions to buy politicians, get billions in return.
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    from our friends at the Free Beacon


    Pro-Israel Groups Expose Rand Paul as Blocking U.S. Aid to Israel
    Paul, opponent of foreign aid, has history of fractious relations with pro-Israel groups

    Adam Kredo
    November 26, 2018

    Top pro-Israel groups in America are mobilizing against Sen. Rand Paul (R., Ky.) for blocking the continuation of U.S. aid to Israel, the renewal of which comes at a critical time for the Jewish state as it continues to combat ongoing terror attacks from Hamas loyalists along its border.

    The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, the nation's foremost pro-Israel lobby group, has been purchasing advertisements on Facebook outing Paul as the primary Senate force blocking the reauthorization of the U.S.-Israel security pact, according to sources close to the effort.

    Other prominent pro-Israel organizations, such as Christians United for Israel, or CUFI, also have undertaken efforts to expose Paul's hold on U.S. security assistance to Israel, recently organizing an email blitz aimed at pressuring the isolationist senator to remove his hold on the critical funding bill.

    CUFI is said to have invested heavily in ads based in Kentucky to target the senator's constituents directly on the issue.

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    jaysus, the balls on this guy...

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    statement from Rand here:


    Rand Paul’s rationale for holding back aid to Israel

    By Jacob Kornbluh and JI Staff
    November 27, 2018

    Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) is expected to introduce an amendment in the coming days that would limit the amount of U.S. security assistance to Israel, Jewish Insider has learned.

    Paul recently came under fire from AIPAC and other pro-Israel groups for placing a hold on the U.S.-Israel Security Assistance Authorization Act of 2018, which would formalize the 10-year Memorandum of Understanding reached between the U.S. and Israel in 2016. Paul opposed Senate leadership attempts to reach unanimous consent on the bipartisan measure.

    AIPAC and Christians United for Israel purchased online ads this week exposing Paul as the primary force holding up the legislation. CUFI also sent an “action alert” email on Monday urging its 4.5 million members to contact Paul’s office in support of the Act.

    Paul responded to his critics in an exclusive statement to Jewish Insider issued in advance of his proposed amendment. “I’m not for foreign aid in general, if we are going to send aid to Israel it should be limited in time and scope so we aren’t doing it forever, and it should be paid for by cutting the aid to people who hate Israel and America,” he wrote. “This is a stance I’ve taken for many years.”

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    read more:
    http://jewishinsider.com/14954/rand-...ck-aid-israel/



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    Rand is also trying to stop anti-boycott legislation that has been introduced in the Senate that seeks to prevent people from boycotting Israel. Rand says the bill could violate First Amendment rights.


    Rand Paul under fire for blocking Israel bills

    By NAHAL TOOSI
    11/30/2018

    Sen. Rand Paul is infuriating Republicans and Democrats alike by blocking a pair of Israel-related bills, including one authorizing tens of billions of dollars in military aid for the country.

    Some advocacy groups are so mad at Paul they’re running ads against the Kentucky Republican, who insists that his long-term goal is actually to help Israel.

    The dust-up is the latest example of how Paul is willing to throw a wrench into routine legislation to uphold his libertarian instincts, which make him skeptical of foreign aid. It also could hurt his already-testy ties to President Donald Trump, who sees the U.S.-Israel relationship as near-sacrosanct.

    The main bill Paul is blocking puts into law an agreement reached under former President Barack Obama that gives Israel $38 billion in military assistance over 10 years. The measure has broad bipartisan support in Congress. Various versions of the bill have easily passed the Senate and the House in recent months, but the Senate still needs to pass a final version.

    Using his Senate privileges, Paul placed a hold on the bill on Oct. 11, surprising other lawmakers, according to Hill staffers.

    “At a time when Israel faces unprecedented threats, blocking a bipartisan bill that empowers the U.S. to stand with Israel is inexplicable,” said Sen. Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican lead on the measure. The Democratic lead on the bill, Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware, added that Paul’s “stated reasons for opposing the bill neither make sense nor support America’s strategic interests.”

    ...

    The Trump administration already has taken separate moves to halt significant amounts of financial aid to Pakistan and the Palestinians, but Paul appears to want the aid stoppage to be formally put into law.

    Just this week, Paul placed a hold on a bill that is designed to counter the “boycott, divestment and sanctions” movement, congressional staffers confirmed. That movement urges companies and countries to penalize Israel through boycotts and other means over its treatment of the Palestinians. Rubio is also a lead sponsor of that legislation, which has plenty of bipartisan backing.

    Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin signed an executive order in mid-November that bars state agencies from contracting with companies that boycott Israel.

    The federal bill has a number of elements, including essentially condoning state and local government laws that penalize people and companies who back isolating Israel over the Palestinian issue.

    Paul’s office said he has concerns that the anti-“boycott” bill could infringe on Americans’ First Amendment rights -- a concern other opponents of such measures share. In any case, his hold has further upset pro-Israel groups already steamed about his efforts to stop the aid package.

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    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...senate-1036943



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    He'd best be careful or he may get himself dead. He's playing a dangerous game.
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    The opposition leader, and no fiscal conservative, Marco Rubio (RINO-Israel)...

    “At a time when Israel faces unprecedented threats, blocking a bipartisan bill that empowers the U.S. to stand with Israel is inexplicable,” said Sen. Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican lead on the measure.
    ...
    Just this week, Paul placed a hold on a bill that is designed to counter the “boycott, divestment and sanctions” movement, congressional staffers confirmed. That movement urges companies and countries to penalize Israel through boycotts and other means over its treatment of the Palestinians. Rubio is also a lead sponsor of that legislation, which has plenty of bipartisan backing.
    ...
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...senate-1036943
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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    He'd best be careful or he may get himself dead. He's playing a dangerous game.
    Indeed. Two hysterical leftist crackpots have already tried. The next may be a professional.
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    After Kavanaugh I wasn't expecting much but this is very pleasantly surprising.
    Authoritarianism and neoconservatism cannot be made great again.
    Trump was an enemy of Ron Paul, before he was an enemy of Rand Paul, before he was an enemy of the Freedom Caucus.
    One thing that he has remained consistent in is his hate of liberty and those who promote it.

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    Why is blocking tax money from unconstitutionally going to a foreign nation 'historic'?

    Oh yeah...
    The sycophant masses are the most crushing rebuttal to my contention that man should be free. They prove by their actions they are not worthy of freedom, because they do not display the capacity for independent thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merkelstan View Post
    Why is blocking tax money from unconstitutionally going to a foreign nation 'historic'?

    Oh yeah...
    At this point? Name something constitutional that isn't historic.
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    EXCLUSIVE – Pastor John Hagee Urges Rand Paul to Remove Hold from Israel Aid Bill

    by Aaron Klein
    6 Dec 2018

    Pastor John Hagee, founder and national director of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), urged Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) to remove his hold from critical legislation that would allow the U.S. to continue providing military assistance to Israel.

    “We are confident we will find a way to get this passed,” Hagee stated. “It’s absolutely a must. We will get this done.”

    Paul used his senatorial powers to place a hold on the U.S.-Israel Security Assistance Authorization Act, which would put into law a 2016 agreement between the Obama administration and Israel to provide the Jewish state $38 billion in military assistance over 10 years. The legislation passed the House and the Senate, but Paul is blocking the bill from going to a final Senate vote.

    ...

    CUFI is one of several pro-Israel groups that launched a campaign urging Paul to end his hold on the Israel aid legislation. AIPAC and U.S. Jewish groups also advocated for Paul to remove the hold. If Paul does not end his objection, the legislation would need to be tacked on to another future bill in order to pass.

    Hagee told Breitbart News that CUFI sent out action alerts resulting in tens of thousands of emails and calls into Paul’s office on the matter. Hagee’s group also spent $100,000 in digital and television ads, and took out full-page ads in Kentucky’s three largest newspapers for three consecutive days urging Paul to allow the bill to proceed.

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    read more:
    https://www.breitbart.com/middle-eas...rael-aid-bill/

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    It’s absolutely a must
    Tell us more, "pastor".
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    This is my first post on these forums in nearly a decade. Rand Paul is pushing the limits of the crooks in power.

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    nvm
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    Ron Paul know some weird people...



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    Cut all foreign aid to Israel.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Cut all foreign aid to Israel.
    How about just cut all foreign aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    How about just cut all foreign aid.
    If only that was possible.
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    Calvin Coolidge

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    Thumbs up

    Pushback Against Israeli Crimes Rises - Rand Paul, Ocasio-Cortez + Colleagues, US Presbyterian Church, UK Quakers

    A growing number of Christian groups and a few brave members of U.S. Congress are no longer willing to bankroll Israel’s genocide.


    Heroic behavior

    More significant is last week’s announcement by Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) that he intends to place a “hold” on the current package of $38 billion in military aid to Israel, which means he can filibuster the issue in the Senate to delay its passage. Paul, who, like his father, is a skeptic regarding foreign aid in general, did not cite any specific issues connected to the aid package, but critics have long noted that Israel is in fact ineligible for any foreign aid from the United States because it has an undeclared nuclear arsenal consisting of at least 200 weapons and delivery systems enabling them to destroy targets in most of Europe and western Asia.

    For that reason, providing aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington Amendment of 1961 as well as due to the fact that Tel Aviv has rejected signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), for obvious reasons.

    There are other issues relating to Israel, to include its booming economy, which would suggest that it does not need more money from the U.S. taxpayer who does not enjoy the free healthcare and university education that all Israelis receive. And then there is also the problem with using American-provided weapons to commit war crimes in Gaza and Lebanon, illegal under both U.S. and international law.

    Nevertheless, Paul’s action is extremely courageous, as he is the first senator since William Fulbright to dare to say anything negative about the Jewish state. Fulbright was, of course, punished by the Israel lobby, which committed major resources to defeating him when he next came up for reelection. Another senator, Charles Percy, who was so bold as to maintain that Palestinian Arabs might actually have “rights,” also found himself confronted by an extremely well-funded opponent who defeated him for reelection. Paul’s action is far from risk free. In fact, the Israel lobby is already reacting hysterically to the “hold,” as is the Israeli government, and one can be sure that all their massive resources will be used to punish the senator.

    Another area where one might have expected more pushback from Americans is the lack of any serious resistance from Christian groups to the process whereby the conservative Likud-dominated Netanyahu government is seeking to turn Israel into a purely Jewish state. Israel boasts that it provides a safe haven for Christians to practice their religion, but reports that occasionally surface in some of the alternative media suggest something quite different. Jewish zealots spit on Christian clergy and curse them out in the streets without any fear of repercussions.

    Some clergy have been harassed and even assaulted by Jewish extremists. Churches and property of religious foundations are frequently vandalized, defaced with obscene graffiti, and the Israeli government has also confiscated or destroyed church property.

    At the founding of the state of Israel in 1948 there existed a considerable Christian community inside Israel, on the West Bank and in Gaza. It was estimated that nearly 10% of Palestinian Arabs were Christian, mostly Greek Orthodox or Catholic. There were also churches and foundations in the old city of Jerusalem that adhered to other sects, including Syrian and Armenian Christians. Currently the percentage of Christians is closer to 2% of the Palestinian population with more than a million Palestinian Christians living in other countries, having been driven from their homes by the Israelis in 1948 and after 1967. The Israelis sometimes claim that most Palestinians have departed the country due to persecution by Muslims, but Palestinian sources deny that assertion.

    Christian churches have been reluctant to support their co-religionists in Israel and the Occupied Territories presumably for fear of being labeled as anti-Semitic in criticizing the Jewish state, as is routinely done by both Jewish groups and the Israeli government to end all discussion. But, as in the case of Sen. Paul, that, too, is changing.

    The Presbyterian Church has led the charge in criticizing Israeli brutality. At its June General Assembly it passed a resolution condemning Israeli apartheid. Its Office of Public Witness has been in the forefront in calling on Israel to cease and desist. An action alert issued this summer entitled “Tell Congress: 70 years of suffering is enough! Stop the killing, hold Israel accountable, and support human rights for all” denounced the slaughter of unarmed Palestinian demonstrators in Gaza by the Israeli army.

    The Presbyterians also signed on to a letter on May 14 entitled “70 Years On: Seeking a hopeful future in a time of yearning,” which called for an end to the slaughter and justice for the Palestinians. It was also signed onto by 13 other Christian groups, including the United Church of Christ, the Reformed Churches in America, the Lutherans, and Maryknoll. A copy was sent to each congressman.

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    Are UN Peace keeping groups wrong about
    Israel's 'War Crimes' ? If they are correct , should
    we be sending Israel so much as a dime?
    Would Pres Trump constantly bootlick Israel if he
    understood/cared that wholesale theft, hostile occupation,
    and murder are significant crimes.....
    Do we ; ''...negotiate with terrorists''

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    ALBATROSS!

    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

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    1 Kings
    Chapter 12


    16 ...What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David...
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    http://jewishinsider.com/15154/schum...in-senate-gym/

    im so proud of Rand Paul. Lets hope he keeps blocking foreign aid
    Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) has been pressing Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) to remove a hold on the U.S.-Israel Security Assistance Authorization Act of 2018.

    During a speech at a forum hosted by the American Zionist Movement (AZM) on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, Schumer said that during a routine workout at the Senate gym this morning, he “lobbied Rand Paul to let this go, and I think we will be able to work something out.”

    Paul came under fire from AIPAC and other pro-Israel groups for placing a hold on the security pact, which would formalize the 10-year Memorandum of Understanding reached between the U.S. and Israel in 2016. To date, Paul has remained opposed to Senate leadership attempts to reach unanimous consent on the bipartisan measure.
    ...
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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