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    My City wants to Ban Marijuana Dispensaries

    As you probably know, Michigan's marijuana legalization proposal passed. Cities have to enact an ordinance if they want to ban marijuana establishments, which is what the City Council is planning to do tonight.

    70% of my city voted for the state proposal and 60% voted for a city charter amendment to decriminalize it a few years ago.

    A few nearby cities have already banned them less than two weeks after the election. Their rational is that there needs to be special codes to regulate it before new businesses are actually established. I'm sure that will be the same reasoning Council will use to support a ban and they will call it "temporary".

    Any last minute tips or ideas to persuade them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    As you probably know, Michigan's marijuana legalization proposal passed. Cities have to enact an ordinance if they want to ban marijuana establishments, which is what the City Council is planning to do tonight.

    70% of my city voted for the state proposal and 60% voted for a city charter amendment to decriminalize it a few years ago.

    A few nearby cities have already banned them less than two weeks after the election. Their rational is that there needs to be special codes to regulate it before new businesses are actually established. I'm sure that will be the same reasoning Council will use to support a ban and they will call it "temporary".

    Any last minute tips or ideas to persuade them?
    Are these ladies on your City Council?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    As you probably know, Michigan's marijuana legalization proposal passed. Cities have to enact an ordinance if they want to ban marijuana establishments, which is what the City Council is planning to do tonight.

    70% of my city voted for the state proposal and 60% voted for a city charter amendment to decriminalize it a few years ago.

    A few nearby cities have already banned them less than two weeks after the election. Their rational is that there needs to be special codes to regulate it before new businesses are actually established. I'm sure that will be the same reasoning Council will use to support a ban and they will call it "temporary".

    Any last minute tips or ideas to persuade them?
    It will result in lost revenue for them to squander . Lost property tax monies , lost future business licensing monies , lost city or county income taxes etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    As you probably know, Michigan's marijuana legalization proposal passed. Cities have to enact an ordinance if they want to ban marijuana establishments, which is what the City Council is planning to do tonight.

    70% of my city voted for the state proposal and 60% voted for a city charter amendment to decriminalize it a few years ago.

    A few nearby cities have already banned them less than two weeks after the election. Their rational is that there needs to be special codes to regulate it before new businesses are actually established. I'm sure that will be the same reasoning Council will use to support a ban and they will call it "temporary".

    Any last minute tips or ideas to persuade them?
    You don't want to be the last city to take advantage of a gold rush. If they wait, they run the risk of losing out on current and future revenue. Once these businesses find hospitable locations, why would they open another one right across the county line? Their customers are going to know where to find them - so the city planners can either bring the revenue into the city or drive it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    As you probably know, Michigan's marijuana legalization proposal passed. Cities have to enact an ordinance if they want to ban marijuana establishments, which is what the City Council is planning to do tonight.

    70% of my city voted for the state proposal and 60% voted for a city charter amendment to decriminalize it a few years ago.

    A few nearby cities have already banned them less than two weeks after the election. Their rational is that there needs to be special codes to regulate it before new businesses are actually established. I'm sure that will be the same reasoning Council will use to support a ban and they will call it "temporary".

    Any last minute tips or ideas to persuade them?
    Back in the late 80's I traveled in the South quite a bit . There were dry counties . As soon as you got to the county line a big liquor store in the next county , the dry counties were just missing out on all of that property tax and county tax for what was probably one of the highest gross revenue businesses . Those taxes are how they fund school systems and libraries and such . It is like just giving the money away to the next community.
    Do something Danke

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    A no vote on any business hurts later . Other business of even slightly similar types will just pass on to somewhere else in the future .
    Do something Danke

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    Smoking bans in a county where the next does not could hurt future bar business , Vape and tobacco shop business , new weed business etc
    Do something Danke

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    They unanimously voted to ban marijuana establishments (both medicinal and recreational). Some excuses include:

    "We need more time to update our zoning codes"
    "It's federally illegal"
    "The state has a history of not being clear with their requirements"
    "We don't know how much revenue it would bring in"
    "We need to understand the public safety issues"
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    Sorry to hear it, EBounding. It sounds like your community didn't want the extra tax revenues generated, or to provide a local dispensary for patients in need of medicine in their local community.

    Rest assured, communities in Colorado and Washington State are reaping the benefits of marijuana... literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    They unanimously voted to ban marijuana establishments (both medicinal and recreational). Some excuses include:

    "We need more time to update our zoning codes"
    "It's federally illegal"
    "The state has a history of not being clear with their requirements"
    "We don't know how much revenue it would bring in"
    "We need to understand the public safety issues"
    Can I ask what city you are referring to? Detroit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cap View Post
    Can I ask what city you are referring to? Detroit?
    It’s a small Detroit suburb, Berkley. Several other nearby cities have already opted out as well.

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    Thank you.
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    Are these ladies on your City Council?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    As you probably know, Michigan's marijuana legalization proposal passed. Cities have to enact an ordinance if they want to ban marijuana establishments, which is what the City Council is planning to do tonight.

    70% of my city voted for the state proposal and 60% voted for a city charter amendment to decriminalize it a few years ago.

    A few nearby cities have already banned them less than two weeks after the election. Their rational is that there needs to be special codes to regulate it before new businesses are actually established. I'm sure that will be the same reasoning Council will use to support a ban and they will call it "temporary".

    Any last minute tips or ideas to persuade them?

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    Just because something is legal doesn’t mean you have to buy it in a store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    Yay, democracy! #thegodthatfailed
    What's funny is most of Council and the Mayor are democrats and part of the city's Democratic Club.

    One advantage we have though is that many of the city's residents are connected on facebook--it's how a recent bond proposal was defeated.

    I made a poll asking what people thought of council's decision. Over 200 people do not favor it so far, less than 12 hours later. It would only take 1000 signatures to do a voter referendum and block the ordinance. MORE VOTING
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1603...2572600694195/
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    What's funny is most of Council and the Mayor are democrats and part of the city's Democratic Club.

    One advantage we have though is that many of the city's residents are connected on facebook--it's how a recent bond proposal was defeated.

    I made a poll asking what people thought of council's decision. Over 200 people do not favor it so far, less than 12 hours later. It would only take 1000 signatures to do a voter referendum and block the ordinance. MORE VOTING
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1603...2572600694195/
    Next time they say they want more money for something I would rub their noses in it .
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    I'm learning that some people who voted for the marijuana proposal are all, "but just not in my backyard!".
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    So I have the ear of one of the Councilmembers. We don't agree on everything but we do talk frequently on city matters and this is one of them. His main reason for the ban is that it's against federal law even though he personally opposes prohibition. I told him he took an oath to uphold the US and Michigan Constitutions--not the federal laws. No one in the city can enforce federal drug laws.

    What's the best argument to persuade someone with this position?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    What's funny is most of Council and the Mayor are democrats and part of the city's Democratic Club.
    The notion that the Democrats are the champions of civil liberties is outdated. But all the towns I have connections with (Howell, Brighton, Hartland, LInden, Fenton, Byron) are also moving to quash any legal sales, and they're not all Democrat strongholds.

    Byron is especially missing the boat here. They've got nothing - a small pot shop would breathe life back into them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    So I have the ear of one of the Councilmembers. We don't agree on everything but we do talk frequently on city matters and this is one of them. His main reason for the ban is that it's against federal law even though he personally opposes prohibition. I told him he took an oath to uphold the US and Michigan Constitutions--not the federal laws. No one in the city can enforce federal drug laws.

    What's the best argument to persuade someone with this position?
    Democrats? Money. That actually works with Republicans too.

    Meet him halfway. Have him create legislation that would open it up if the feds decriminalized it, then move the goalpost again.
    * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

    * No Amnesty - The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

    * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

    * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.




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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The notion that the Democrats are the champions of civil liberties is outdated. But all the towns I have connections with (Howell, Brighton, Hartland, LInden, Fenton, Byron) are also moving to quash any legal sales, and they're not all Democrat strongholds.

    Byron is especially missing the boat here. They've got nothing - a small pot shop would breathe life back into them.
    There's two adjacent cities I could see allowing this; Southfield and Oak Park. I don't know if they opted out yet. If they opened shops across the street (which are already commercially zoned), my city would get all of the perceived "negative" impact (Traffic, "transients", smells) and none of the benefits. It's one argument I'm trying.

    The ordinance ban isn't final yet since there's still a second reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    So I have the ear of one of the Councilmembers. We don't agree on everything but we do talk frequently on city matters and this is one of them. His main reason for the ban is that it's against federal law even though he personally opposes prohibition. I told him he took an oath to uphold the US and Michigan Constitutions--not the federal laws. No one in the city can enforce federal drug laws.

    What's the best argument to persuade someone with this position?
    You could tell him that since it is against federal law a local ban is redundant, let the feds and the state deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You could tell him that since it is against federal law a local ban is redundant, let the feds and the state deal with it.
    That's a good point. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBounding View Post
    So I have the ear of one of the Councilmembers. We don't agree on everything but we do talk frequently on city matters and this is one of them. His main reason for the ban is that it's against federal law even though he personally opposes prohibition. I told him he took an oath to uphold the US and Michigan Constitutions--not the federal laws. No one in the city can enforce federal drug laws.

    What's the best argument to persuade someone with this position?
    Did you ask them why they're not a dry alcohol area? Oh riiiight probably because they drink and therefore alcohol is different, somehow. I know that wouldn't work for you but I like shaming hypocrites...
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    OMG don't you get it think of all the street corner dealers that will lose their income if there are legal despensaries :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Did you ask them why they're not a dry alcohol area? Oh riiiight probably because they drink and therefore alcohol is different, somehow. I know that wouldn't work for you but I like shaming hypocrites...
    What's funny is one long-time councilman did a hit and run after drinking at an alcoholic establishment in the city earlier in the year. He resigned. Shockingly, no one on Council made a push to ban alcohol in the city.
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