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    Question Looking for the first seasteaders

    I have not really been publicizing this and we do not care to have this in the media but, in case I have missed anyone in my personal contacts on this...

    If you want to live on the world's first seastead (and have the means to do so) drop me a PM.

    Again, we have not been advertising this, we're not looking for investors (bitcoin has been kind to us). We're looking for neighbors. I would rather have liberty lovers as architects of how seasteading moves forward.

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    This is a completely separate from Blue Frontiers' project in French Polynesia.

    The general public is not our target audience on this (hence the reason we're not publicizing), they are the reason we are doing this.
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    How about an artificial surf reef?
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    >contemplates bulk loads of Dramamine<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwar View Post
    If you want to live on the world's first seastead (and have the means to do so) drop me a PM.
    And what does that mean? What level of means?

    Quote Originally Posted by opal View Post
    >contemplates bulk loads of Dramamine<
    yeah, I'd have to leave DW in order to contemplate this for the same reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    And what does that mean? What level of means?


    yeah, I'd have to leave DW in order to contemplate this for the same reason.

    Well the reality is that no bank would ever give a loan to someone buying a home in a place not governed by any country.

    So essentially you need to be able to buy a second home in cash.

    <insert playground for the rich here>

    However, most likely someone with that much money will see this as an investment opportunity and rent it out to people that can uproot their lives and live there.

    But for right now I'm looking for those initial buyers...information for the renters will come later.
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    No buying ability here. I can do structural engineering for the project if needed.

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    I love the concept, the problem is that some government somewhere will eventually shut it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    I love the concept, the problem is that some government somewhere will eventually shut it down.
    ^^This^^



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    Just curious.. what is the average water temperature where this is planned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    I love the concept, the problem is that some government somewhere will eventually shut it down.
    While we will not be 200nm out where we're completely free from all government control, we will be at least 12nm out which gives a great deal of sovereignty. If a government tries to shut it down they would be violating international laws. Which is certainly possible. But we are coordinating with the local government and can move to a few nearby countries if they show that they want to violate the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by opal View Post
    Just curious.. what is the average water temperature where this is planned?
    Warm...steady average throughout the year around 80 degrees (near the surface).
    Last edited by Elwar; 11-21-2018 at 04:37 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwar View Post
    While we will not be 200nm out where we're completely free from all government control, we will be at least 12nm out which gives a great deal of sovereignty. If a government tries to shut it down they would be violating international laws. Which is certainly possible. But we are coordinating with the local government and can move to a few nearby countries if they show that they want to violate the law.
    Allow open use or trade of drugs? Expect to be shut down. Allow open prostitution? Expect to be shut down. Refuse to cooperate with other governments to rat out "tax cheats"? You'll be labeled a tax haven and be shut down. Governments don't like freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Allow open use or trade of drugs? Expect to be shut down. Allow open prostitution? Expect to be shut down. Refuse to cooperate with other governments to rat out "tax cheats"? You'll be labeled a tax haven and be shut down. Governments don't like freedom.
    Most people don't like freedom. They just like the slogans and words in songs.

    This project is not for those people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwar View Post
    While we will not be 200nm out where we're completely free from all government control, we will be at least 12nm out which gives a great deal of sovereignty. If a government tries to shut it down they would be violating international laws. Which is certainly possible. But we are coordinating with the local government and can move to a few nearby countries if they show that they want to violate the law.
    Who's your flag state? No government that I know of will issue COIs and all the other 100 or so flag state compliance documents without a port or registry and compliance audits

    Who's your documenting authority? Same thing here.

    Who's your class society? ABS? DNV? Who issues your SMS certificates and compliance audits, which you need for any vessel large enough to house more than six passengers?

    What nation in the world that has sea access and a vessel registry that is not a signatory to IMO - SOLAS - STCW - MARPOL? Compliance with just those conventions alone requires a roomful of lawyers and a truckload of paper and has many restrictions.

    Sorry to be a Gloomy Gus here but these seasteading ideas are lunacy.

    You think you are under surveillance and your freedoms restricted and you are constantly hamstrung by pettifogging government leeches and mounds of compliance paperwork on land?

    It is ten times worse at sea, on any vessel outside of a small private pleasure craft of less than 100 feet and carrying less than six passengers.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 11-22-2018 at 11:59 AM.

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    Makes me think of Rapture in Bioshock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Who's your flag state?
    Didn't even think about that.

    If a vessel is unflagged then they essentially have zero rights from my understanding.
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    Lightbulb

    "To me, one of the more interesting assertions made by Randy Henrickson in his CIMSEC interview was this: “To avoid legally being a pirate, seasteads will have to flag themselves with the flag of an existing nation and partner up. As seasteading matures and grows, we foresee seasteads eventually breaking off when they have enough of their own economic power and population to no longer need to be binded to existing governments, when they’re at a point where they can be recognized by others as a micro-nation.”



    There are a couple of interesting elements here: first, the notion that activities which are legal and even encouraged when done under the aegis of a flag might be considered illegal if done without such protection (although, depending on the specific activities Henrickson contemplates, piracy might not be the specific crime); second why would a nation be willing to “spin-off” an economically fruitful “micro-nation” whether at sea or on land?


    This second question underscores the ambition of the seasteading project. Up to this point in human history, every time a new nation-state has emerged, it has been tied with a specific piece of territory. And, unfortunately, most newly sovereign states have experienced some degree of violence in achieving their independence. Whether independence was achieved by revolution, decolonization, or partition, a greater or lesser degree of political violence has frequently accompanied it, either before or shortly after independence. Partly, this stems from the physical, historical, and emotional attachment that human beings have to territory. Partly it stems from the challenges of identity in forming both a nation and a state.[1] But it also stems from the economic benefit that the larger nation derives from activity within the smaller territory. To suppose that a flag state would willingly give up the economic benefit they derive from a productive seastead may be a bit optimistic."



    Read the rest here:

    http://cimsec.org/sea-based-nations-...ion-state/2484
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Who's your flag state? No government that I know of will issue COIs and all the other 100 or so flag state compliance documents without a port or registry and compliance audits

    Who's your documenting authority? Same thing here.

    Who's your class society? ABS? DNV? Who issues your SMS certificates and compliance audits, which you need for any vessel large enough to house more than six passengers?

    What nation in the world that has sea access and a vessel registry that is not a signatory to IMO - SOLAS - STCW - MARPOL? Compliance with just those conventions alone requires a roomful of lawyers and a truckload of paper and has many restrictions.

    Sorry to be a Gloomy Gus here but these seasteading ideas are lunacy.

    You think you are under surveillance and your freedoms restricted and you are constantly hamstrung by pettifogging government leeches and mounds of compliance paperwork on land?

    It is ten times worse at sea, on any vessel outside of a small private pleasure craft of less than 100 feet and carrying less than six passengers.
    They will be flagged. Each one will be considered a boat (motor, moving, etc.). They will have the same regulations that a small sailboat sitting in middle of the ocean has.

    Not to get too far into it but, this is not a seasteading project like the media or glossy pictures portray (big city states where cruise ships pull up, etc.).

    I will go into more detail after we have launched the first one (very soon). There have been too many seasteading projects that are nothing but talk but never build anything. This project is about very little talk and actually building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwar View Post
    They will be flagged. Each one will be considered a boat (motor, moving, etc.). They will have the same regulations that a small sailboat sitting in middle of the ocean has.

    Not to get too far into it but, this is not a seasteading project like the media or glossy pictures portray (big city states where cruise ships pull up, etc.).

    I will go into more detail after we have launched the first one (very soon). There have been too many seasteading projects that are nothing but talk but never build anything. This project is about very little talk and actually building.
    Well, then it might work, at that.

    Best of luck with it, let us know how it works out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, then it might work, at that.

    Best of luck with it, let us know how it works out.
    Governments that have more guns will always have the final word. But yes, lawyers (and more importantly, someone high up in government acknowledging that they will follow the law) are a necessity.
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