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    Famed Feminist Furious After Twitter Says She Violated Rules By Saying Men Are Not Women

    On Thursday, an ardent Canadian feminist who has supported the #MeToo movement but has opposed a bill that would encode gender identity and gender expression into Canadian law furiously revealed that Twitter wouldn't let her say that men are not women.

    Meghan Murphy, who founded the feminist blog and podcast Feminist Current in 2012, had tweeted in October, “Men aren’t women tho,” and “How are transwomen not men? What is the difference between men and transwomen?”
    On Thursday, Murphy revealed on Twitter that she had been notified by Twitter that her language in the tweet had violated their rules against hateful conduct.

    Murphy was furious, and tweeted, “This is f**king bull$#@! @twitter. I'm not allowed to say that men aren't women or ask questions about the notion of transgenderism at all anymore? That a multi billion dollar company is censoring BASIC FACTS and silencing people who ask questions about this dogma is INSANE.”
    This is $#@!ing bull$#@! @twitter. I'm not allowed to say that men aren't women or ask questions about the notion of transgenderism at all anymore? That a multi billion dollar company is censoring BASIC FACTS and silencing people who ask questions about this dogma is INSANE pic.twitter.com/dul6iOdbaz
    — Meghan Murphy (@MeghanEMurphy) November 15, 2018
    Murphy continued on Twitter:
    What ARE we allowed to say here??? How tf is simply saying 'men aren't women' hateful??? I am losing my goddamned mind over this. Enjoy your brave new world, sjws. Here's your f***ing social justice … I'm assuming my account is going to get locked again simply for speaking about this. But this is not f***ing ok and I'm not going to let it go silently … Trans activists have been targeting my account for a few months now. Either someone at Twitter or with an in at Twitter has been combing through old tweets and reporting them for “hateful conduct.” Twitter seems to instantly shut my account down without a second thought.
    After Murphy revealed what had happened to her, tons of her followers came to her defense by simply tweeting, “Men are not women.” That prompted Murphy to tweet at Twitter, “Are you going to ban every single user on here who says 'men aren't women'?? Actually??? @Twitter Or are you just going out of your way to specifically silence ME?”
    One Twitter user responded to Murphy by tweeting, “One more time for those in the back: the right to free speech protects you from the government. Not criticism. You are entitled to say whatever dumb thing you want. You are not entitled to a private company providing you an audience.” Murphy fired back, “Yeah and the government is trying to legislate against our free speech, thanks to gender identity ideology. Pay attention.”
    In 2013, Murphy referred to Twitter as "a horrible place for feminism ... intellectual laziness is encouraged, oversimplification is mandatory, posturing is de rigueur, and bullying is rewarded.”

    When she appeared before the Canadian Senate in 2017 to oppose bill C-16, which encoded gender identity and gender expression into Canadian law, Murphy stated, "Treating gender as though it is either internal or a personal choice is dangerous and completely misunderstands how and why women are oppressed under patriarchy as a class of people. ... The rights of women and girls are being pushed aside to accommodate a trend."

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/38426...e-hank-berrien


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    A robust feud between TERFs and SJWs would be quite interesting, but it seems to me that the TERFs are sufficiently marginalized as to be unable to actually split the left in any real way. I have a TERF friend and she is constantly frustrated by the left having less and less room for her.
    NeoReactionary. American High Tory.

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    Gender appropriation. Against the rules. How can feminists both hate men and the adopt them into womanhood at the same time? And then make gender fluidity a one-way street? That’s stupidity on toast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaleoLibertarian View Post
    A robust feud between TERFs and SJWs would be quite interesting, but it seems to me that the TERFs are sufficiently marginalized as to be unable to actually split the left in any real way. I have a TERF friend and she is constantly frustrated by the left having less and less room for her.
    The left will die by a thousand self-inflicted cuts as it drives out each insufficiently radical sub-group.
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

    Robert Heinlein

    Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

    Groucho Marx

    I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

    Linus, from the Peanuts comic

    You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

    Alexis de Torqueville

    Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    The left will die by a thousand self-inflicted cuts as it drives out each insufficiently radical sub-group.
    Now if the right will stop doing the same thing, and the embarrassing elements that insist in clinging to it will shut the hell up, maybe it will be able to gain an advantage.

    But I'm not counting on it.
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Twitter Bans Radical Feminist for Saying “Men Aren’t Women”

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/cultu...n-aren-t-women

    Written by Selwyn Duke

    War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength — and men are women. Unlike the first three, the last comment wasn’t an example of doublethink from Orwell’s 1984, but one from America 2018. In fact, tweeting the opposite, that “men aren’t women,” actually got a radical feminist banned from Twitter.

    While it’s usually conservatives in the crosshairs of social-media censorship, one of its latest victims is Canadian feminist Meghan Murphy, a self-described socialist and founder of the website and podcast called Feminist Current. Yet her views on “transgenderism” weren’t current enough for Twitter. Heavy provides some background:

    It all started back in August, when she wrote and tweeted about a transgender activist named Lisa Kreut. Lisa Kreut is also a dominatrix who uses the name Hailey Heartless.

    Hailey Heartless was asked to be a speaker at the annual Women’s March in Vancouver. Murphy and others were upset by the decision. This was partly because they disagreed [with] what they perceived to be Heartless’s views on violent sex and legal prostitution. They were also upset because, Murphy said, “this was, after all, a march for women.” And in their view, Hailey Heartless is a man [in their view?!].

    Murphy’s Twitter account was first suspended in August after she criticized Kreut for allegedly having targeted “‘Feminist Current’s ad revenue and [leading] efforts to have Vancouver Rape Relief blacklisted at the 2016 BCFED Convention,’” reports Daily Wire. The site continues:

    In order to regain full access after having violated Twitter’s rules regarding “hateful conduct,” Murphy deleted the tweets. She then complained publicly to Twitter, asking if she was “no longer permitted to report facts” on the social media platform. For this, Murphy claims that she was suspended for half a day, and told by Twitter to delete her public complaint.

    In October, Murphy sent out a pair of tweets in which she questioned the transgender movement, writing, “Men aren’t women,” and asking, “How are transwomen not men? What is the difference between men and transwomen?”

    Murphy was notified by Twitter on November 15 that her tweets had once again violated the company’s “hateful conduct” rules.

    In fact, she has now been “permanently banned” from Twitter, according to Spectator USA, and her Twitter page is inaccessible.

    Strikingly, also banned according to the Spectator is referencing a person with the correct pronouns (e.g., calling a man masquerading as a woman “he”). So is “so-called ‘deadnaming’ — referring to a previous name of a trans person,” the Spectator writes.

    What should scare you is why my earlier 1984 reference is apropos here: This is an attack on objective reality itself. Murphy alluded to this in a complaint to Twitter, too, saying, Daily Wire relates:

    I’m not allowed to say that men aren’t women or ask questions about the notion of transgenderism at all anymore? That a multi billion dollar company is censoring BASIC FACTS and silencing people who ask questions about this dogma is INSANE.

    What ARE we allowed to say here??? How tf is simply saying ‘men aren't women’ hateful??? I am losing my g[**]d[****]d mind over this. Enjoy your brave new world, sjws. Here’s your f***ing social justice … I’m assuming my account is going to get locked again simply for speaking about this.

    Of course, censoring people under the “hateful conduct” pretext is also a denial of reality, since the yardstick used isn’t “hatefulness” (a hard quality to measure unless a mind-reader) but ideological conformity.

    In fact, “transgender” activists are an intensely angry bunch whose efforts to destroy others are generally driven by hate, yet they’re not censored by social media. In contrast, while there are exceptions, I and many others opposing them mount deeply intellectual arguments that, simply for being unfashionable, are labeled “hateful.”

    Many are found here, for example, in an essay in which I explain why there’s no good science whatsoever behind “transgenderism.” Moreover, here I examine the importance of controlling language and explain why I won’t — and don’t — adhere to the politically correct “transgender”-pronoun model. You tell me: Are these arguments “hateful”?

    (Regardless, since I do what Murphy does, only more unabashedly and consistently, it should be only a matter of time before Twitter bans me, too.)

    What’s hateful, of Truth and the imperative of allowing the vibrant intellectual debate necessary to reveal it, is social media’s censorship. How can people discern reality if they’re not even allowed to discuss it?

    As for Murphy, her Twitter trials have inspired her to widen her discussion. In fact, before being completely banned, she tweeted that she’d changed her mind about some matters and was tired of the “‘right=bad/left=good’ dichotomy,” as she put it, as it wasn’t good to “limit ourselves to engaging only with those we already agree with.”

    Furthermore, she said that right-wing “media has been the only media to cover Twitter’s attempts to silence me, and has been the only media to reach out to me.” In contrast, liberal media refuses “to even acknowledge that feminists have a critique of transgender ideology.”

    Murphy also complained that, in Canada, at least, the media and Left in general refuse to utter a word about “transgender” bullying of and threats against feminists. She concluded by saying that while the right was willing to engage “with those they may disagree with,” the Left “wants an echo chamber.”

    Of course, this is nothing new. Whether it was the French revolutionaries, the Soviets, the Chinese Red Guards, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, or their other philosophical soulmates, the Left has never brooked dissent and always ends up eating its own.

    Yet also true is that, in a way, feminism is responsible for eating itself here — because it paved the way for “transgenderism.”

    How? Well, note that feminists used to espouse so-calledgender neutrality theory, which taught that “gender” (a term previously reserved almost exclusively to grammar) was just a “social construct”; consequently, the theory also held that if you raised the sexes identically, they’d be identical beneath the surface. I was inundated with this growing up.

    Now let’s tie this together. Feminists insisted that “the sexes are the same except for the superficial physical differences.” Now the male-claiming-female status crowd insists that if they change the superficial physical differences (i.e., external genitalia, facial hair), they can be the “other sex” — though, of course, they call it “gender.” A straight line absolutely can be drawn between the two claims.

    So it’s ironic: The feminists peddled the “sameness” lie to gain entry into what had been men’s realm. Now men are using it to gain entry into women’s sports, women’s marches, and women’s bathrooms. I guess that’s equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Now if the right will stop doing the same thing, and the embarrassing elements that insist in clinging to it will shut the hell up, maybe it will be able to gain an advantage.

    But I'm not counting on it.
    I'm not sure "the right" is doing anything outside of what it has been doing all along.

    "We" guarentee nothing, life is rough and tumble and you'll get bruised up.

    Equal justice under the law, and maximum freedom to strive for whatever pleases you in life.

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    When she appeared before the Canadian Senate in 2017 to oppose bill C-16, which encoded gender identity and gender expression into Canadian law, Murphy stated, "Treating gender as though it is either internal or a personal choice is dangerous and completely misunderstands how and why women are oppressed under patriarchy as a class of people. ... The rights of women and girls are being pushed aside to accommodate a trend."



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    Maybe the first Female POTUS will be trans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schifference View Post
    Maybe the first Female POTUS will be trans.
    Men.

    Even when we're women, we're better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Men.

    Even when we're women, we're better.
    Yup. Damnit. I'd forgot about that. Even went to some "design a T-Shirt" sites and came up with some good ones. They wouldn't allow me to share photos though for some reason.

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    Shocked to find that the new leftist “private sector” Big Mother is turning on it’s own supporters. History repeats itself. Nobody expects the leftist inquisition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Shocked to find that the new leftist “private sector” Big Mother is turning on it’s own supporters. History repeats itself. Nobody expects the leftist inquisition.
    Of course it is. Why else would the oligarchy encourage useful idiots to oppose free speech for others, except to eventually use that precedent to shut the useful idiots up too? What makes you think the oligarchs want to hear them any more than we do?

    We aren't helping the cause of liberty by buying into the hype that the oligarchs love the useful idiots and want them to be happy. The cause of liberty is best served by warning them that they had better stop being idiots before they cease to be useful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    This reminds of this summer in Pitts, I unknowingly happened to run into an lgbt event downtown. So I went to a table where they were deep in conversation about how repulsive it was that men liked ladies. I asked the whatever it was “what do you think about your parents?” He said “what in the hell do you mean!?” I replied, without a mother and a father you never would have been born. He told me to take my sickening hetero crap and shove it where the sun don’t shine and if I didn’t leave he was going to call security lol.

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    I'd have told him shoving things where the sun don't shine is his specialty, not mine.

    But then, my mouth does get me into trouble.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    Well, if I talk taxes, I get in trouble. If I don’t donate to the LEO, I’m wrong. No matter what I say or do in todays climate, I’m the bad guy while they enjoy and embrace every opportunity to express exactly how they feel. So I figure... what the hey.



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